Adjuvants in vaccines

Anyone know where I can find the labels of vaccines online? Manufacturers
are not very forthcoming.

Anyone used Imrab Thimerosal-free vaccines?
While Merial has links for labels, I can't get the pdf files to open.
http://imrab.us.merial.com/imrab/offerings.shtml
http://www.drugs.com/vet/imrab-3.html

How about the new one Continuum? They actually have a 4 year rabies vax for
cats.
http://www.drugs.com/vet/continuum-rabies.html
http://www.continuumforpets.com/dog-vaccines.asp

Located a MSDS for Rabvac 3TF and the adjuvants are a TRADE SECRET! Holy
S**t!
http://bi-vetmedica.com/sites/defaul..._3_TF_msds.pdf

I'm assuming thimerosal is used in most of the other vaccines since a
Thimerosal-free vax is such a big deal.

And my vet claimed the aluminum compounds are no longer used in vax, though
he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Adjuvants used:
(Note - this is a Fort Dodge site)
http://www.dvmvac.org/roleofadjuvants.asp
"Primary types of adjuvants include aluminum and calcium salts; oil
emulsions, such as shark liver oil; liposomes and archeosomes, as well as
nanoparticles and microparticles made from biodegradable polymers. Saponins,
or complex chemical compounds extracted from plants and trees, also are
used."

Just as a side note the CDC says the aluminum compounds are the only
adjuvants licensed for human vax.

Anyone in the know?

buglady
take out the dog before replying

You'd need to find someone either in the vaccine industry or an
allergist with a special interest in vaccine side effects.....

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia

On 3/25/2011 8:17 PM, buglady wrote:
Anyone know where I can find the labels of vaccines online? Manufacturers
are not very forthcoming.

Anyone used Imrab Thimerosal-free vaccines?
While Merial has links for labels, I can't get the pdf files to open.
http://imrab.us.merial.com/imrab/offerings.shtml
http://www.drugs.com/vet/imrab-3.html

How about the new one Continuum? They actually have a 4 year rabies vax for
cats.
http://www.drugs.com/vet/continuum-rabies.html
http://www.continuumforpets.com/dog-vaccines.asp

Did you know there is nothing different about one rabies vaccine to the
next? They all last the same amount of time and that time seems to be
for the life of the animal from what we are seeing from the Rabies
Vaccine Challenge.
http://www.rabieschallengefund.org/




Located a MSDS for Rabvac 3TF and the adjuvants are a TRADE SECRET! Holy
S**t!
http://bi-vetmedica.com/sites/defaul..._3_TF_msds.pdf

I'm assuming thimerosal is used in most of the other vaccines since a
Thimerosal-free vax is such a big deal.

And my vet claimed the aluminum compounds are no longer used in vax, though
he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Adjuvants used:
(Note - this is a Fort Dodge site)
http://www.dvmvac.org/roleofadjuvants.asp
"Primary types of adjuvants include aluminum and calcium salts; oil
emulsions, such as shark liver oil; liposomes and archeosomes, as well as
nanoparticles and microparticles made from biodegradable polymers. Saponins,
or complex chemical compounds extracted from plants and trees, also are
used."

Just as a side note the CDC says the aluminum compounds are the only
adjuvants licensed for human vax.

Anyone in the know?

What I do know is that vaccines cause autoimmune diseases and cancer.
" A team at Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine conducted
several studies (1,2) to determine if vaccines can cause changes in the
immune system of dogs that might lead to life-threatening
immune-mediated diseases. They obviously conducted this research because
concern already existed. It was sponsored by the Haywood Foundation
which itself was looking for evidence that such changes in the human
immune system might also be vaccine induced. It found the evidence.

The vaccinated, but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies developed autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including fibronectin, laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and collagen.

This means that the vaccinated dogs -- ”but not the non-vaccinated dogs”-- were attacking their own fibronectin, which is involved in tissue repair, cell multiplication and growth, and differentiation between tissues and organs in a living organism.

The vaccinated Purdue dogs also developed autoantibodies to laminin, which is involved in many cellular activities including the adhesion, spreading, differentiation, proliferation and movement of cells. Vaccines thus appear to be capable of removing the natural intelligence of cells.

Autoantibodies to cardiolipin are frequently found in patients with the serious disease systemic lupus erythematosus and also in individuals with other autoimmune diseases. The presence of elevated anti-cardiolipin antibodies is significantly associated with clots within the heart or blood vessels, in poor blood clotting, haemorrhage, bleeding into the skin, foetal loss and neurological conditions.

The Purdue studies also found that vaccinated dogs were developing autoantibodies to their own collagen. About one quarter of all the protein in the body is collagen. Collagen provides structure to our bodies, protecting and supporting the softer tissues and connecting them with the skeleton. It is no wonder that Canine Health Concern's 1997 study of 4,000 dogs showed a high number of dogs developing mobility problems shortly after they were vaccinated (noted in my 1997 book, What Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines).

Perhaps most worryingly, the Purdue studies found that the vaccinated dogs had developed autoantibodies to their own DNA. Did the alarm bells sound? Did the scientific community call a halt to the vaccination program? No. Instead, they stuck their fingers in the air, saying more research is needed to ascertain whether vaccines can cause genetic damage. Meanwhile, the study dogs were found good homes, but no long-term follow-up has been conducted. At around the same time, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) Vaccine-Associated Feline Sarcoma Task Force initiated several studies to find out why 160,000 cats each year in the USA develop terminal cancer at their vaccine injection sites.(3) The fact that cats can get vaccine-induced cancer has been acknowledged by veterinary bodies around the world, and even the British Government acknowledged it through its Working Group charged with the task of looking into canine and feline vaccines(4) following pressure from C
anine Health Concern. What do you imagine was the advice of the AVMA Task Force, veterinary bodies and governments? "Carry on vaccinating until
we find out why vaccines are killing cats, and which cats are most likely to die."

http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/...ineDamage.html

My email wants to copy everything as a quotation today so I apologize if
it's hard to figure out who posted what.

My point is why worry about adjuvants when the vaccine itself causes
even more harm? Jabs are a no win situation and since there isn't always
an immediate reaction to it there is rarely a connection made between
that reaction and the vaccine.

Char




buglady
take out the dog before replying

Gee, Char, how long has it been since you have had a puppy die in your
arms from distemper? From Parvovirus?

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia

BTW, the big Miami-Dade County animal control shelter is currently
closed to canine intake of all types due to distemper and parvo,
following a rumored 50 deaths. They will adopt and return-to-owner,
with the disease caveat. This was posted on a rescue group devoted
solely to reporting shelter health problems so rescues know if the
shelter they are about to pull from is currently in the midst of an
outbreak..... They've brought in the the shelter health communicable
disease specialists to help them develop a more effective operating
system within their financial and facility limits.

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia

On 3/26/2011 4:09 PM, Jo Wolf wrote:
Gee, Char, how long has it been since you have had a puppy die in your
arms from distemper? From Parvovirus?

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia


From my experience the parvo vaccine causes even more parvo. I've seen
plenty of cases where the pups get the jab then die from it anyway.

Since I rawfeed I feel my dogs are better protected against illness than
any kibble fed dog. I have a dog with absolutely no jabs and he's the
healthiest one I have, he's never seen a vet. Feeding raw has saved me
hundreds, maybe thousands on vet bills.

Just because he's never had a jab does not in any way mean he's not
protected from those illnesses. Many vaccine free dogs show antibodies
against distemper, parvo, even rabies.

I *have* had a dog die in my arms from an enlarged heart, caused by
those vaccines. He was only 7 years old and didn't understand he was
dying. It was heartbreaking to see.

"Jo Wolf" wrote

BTW, the big Miami-Dade County animal control shelter is currently
closed to canine intake of all types due to distemper and parvo,
following a rumored 50 deaths. They will adopt and return-to-owner,
with the disease caveat. This was posted on a rescue group devoted
solely to reporting shelter health problems so rescues know if the
shelter they are about to pull from is currently in the midst of an
outbreak..... They've brought in the the shelter health communicable
disease specialists to help them develop a more effective operating
system within their financial and facility limits.

The scariest thing is someone might believe Char's insinuation that raw
feeding confers no need for parvo/distemper/rabies shots. Fortunately there
are enough sane folks on the topic to hopefully keep it straight.

"Char" wrote

From my experience the parvo vaccine causes even more parvo. I've seen
plenty of cases where the pups get the jab then die from it anyway.

You are dangerously mis-informed. Let us hope no one gullible reads this
and skips basic safety shots.

Since I rawfeed I feel my dogs are better protected against illness than
any kibble fed dog. I have a dog with absolutely no jabs and he's the
healthiest one I have, he's never seen a vet. Feeding raw has saved me
hundreds, maybe thousands on vet bills.

Guffaw!

Just because he's never had a jab does not in any way mean he's not
protected from those illnesses. Many vaccine free dogs show antibodies
against distemper, parvo, even rabies.

Yeah, right. I'm sure you have more of your wacky websites to show that too.
You know, the ones that claim 100/th of a med is more effective than a med?

I *have* had a dog die in my arms from an enlarged heart, caused by those
vaccines. He was only 7 years old and didn't understand he was dying. It
was heartbreaking to see.

Loss of any pet is heartbreaking but he didnt have an enlarged heart from
standard vaccines. Next thing, you'll probably claim vaccines cause toenail
fungus.

"Char" wrote in message
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On 3/25/2011 8:17 PM, buglady wrote:

My point is why worry about adjuvants when the vaccine itself causes even
more harm? Jabs are a no win situation and since there isn't always an
immediate reaction to it there is rarely a connection made between that
reaction and the vaccine.

Getting one or two rabies shots isn't optional AFAIC. Especially for a cat
who goes outside sometimes.
As for the rest, I know all that.

buglady
take out the dog before replying

On 3/26/2011 7:40 PM, cshenk wrote:
"Char" wrote

From my experience the parvo vaccine causes even more parvo. I've
seen plenty of cases where the pups get the jab then die from it anyway.

You are dangerously mis-informed. Let us hope no one gullible reads
this and skips basic safety shots.

There are no safe shots. You have not studied this at all yet want to
proclaim I'm misinformed. What irony!
http://www.peteducation.com/article....2+1556&aid=467
"Current vaccinations have helped to control the spread of this disease
but despite being vaccinated, some dogs still contract and die from parvo. "

Well, they have the second part right. There is no evidence that current
vaccines have helped in any way.

http://www.rottweiler.net/forums/vet...-boosters.html
"On Friday morning Luna wouldn't eat her food and was acting very
sluggish. We took her to the vet right away, he suspected that she had
probably eaten something. We brought her home and she started vomitting
and having diarrhea. We took her back and she was put on an iv, still
she was vomitting and acting kinda paranoid. So our vet had us take her
to a 24 hour emergency hospital so she could have more tests.

She had a blood test, everything normal; tested for toxins, everything
normal; had x-rays, everything normal; had an ultrasound, no
obstuctions. They kept her overnight on an iv, finally this morning she
was tested for Parvo and she tested positive.

Needless to say we are all shocked, including our vet. He has never had
a case where a pup has gotten Parvo after having all of their boosters.
Luckily it was caught early. She is stabilized now and will be in the
hospital til Monday. We don't know how she got it."

"At the vet I used to use they had a pair of 18 month old Rotts with all
their shots (Vanguard brand) that contracted parvo. The male died the
female lived."

"My dog contracted parvo after having all of his shots as well. He was 6
months old when he came down sick. He barely pulled through and the
first vet we had him too gave him a 98% chance of passing the first
night- but he made it!"

http://www.parvobuster.com/blog/parv...0%99t-tell-you
"If you think about it, the vaccines contain the live virus, albeit
modified, and they are designed to weaken the dog’s immune system, as
that is how they are supposed to work – well, that’s the theory. And if
that weren’t bad enough, many vaccines contain multiple viruses –
anywhere from four to seven or eight at a time.

Finally, and perhaps most worrying of all, is the fact that research has
now shown that all vaccinations, not just Parvo ones, can weaken your
dog’s immune system. This means that your dog will be more likely to
become ill in the future.

Other side-effects of vaccinations include chronic inflammation, which
will cause the obvious issues such as arthritis, but inflammation has
now been proven to be a leading cause of cancer.

The vaccines themselves also contain all sorts of toxic chemicals, which
are not going to do your dog any good at all.

Although the AVMA has finally revised their recommendations regarding
booster shots from annually to every three years, even this is too much.
Other research has shown that vaccinations are effective for at least
seven years, and maybe even life.

So, to summarise, Parvo shots are no longer that effective against the
latest 2c strain, they may even given your dog Parvo, and they can cause
long-term health issues such as cancer."





Since I rawfeed I feel my dogs are better protected against illness
than any kibble fed dog. I have a dog with absolutely no jabs and
he's the healthiest one I have, he's never seen a vet. Feeding raw
has saved me hundreds, maybe thousands on vet bills.

Guffaw!

I guess that means you think that is funny somehow? What is funny about
healthy dogs and saving money? What is funny about dogs dying and
enduring horrible side effects from vaccines?


Just because he's never had a jab does not in any way mean he's not
protected from those illnesses. Many vaccine free dogs show
antibodies against distemper, parvo, even rabies.

Yeah, right. I'm sure you have more of your wacky websites to show
that too. You know, the ones that claim 100/th of a med is more
effective than a med?

You are speaking about Homeopathy which you obviously haven't studied
yet you call it wacky. I didn't think it was possible at one time but
unlike you I investigated it, tried it on myself and my pets and found
that it worked way more than once. However, this post isn't about
Homeopathy in case you didn't notice.


I *have* had a dog die in my arms from an enlarged heart, caused by
those vaccines. He was only 7 years old and didn't understand he was
dying. It was heartbreaking to see.

Loss of any pet is heartbreaking but he didnt have an enlarged heart
from standard vaccines. Next thing, you'll probably claim vaccines
cause toenail fungus.


http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/...ineDamage.html
"Organ failure must also be suspected when it occurs shortly after a
vaccine event. Dr Larry Glickman, who spearheaded the Purdue research
into post-vaccination biochemical changes in dogs, wrote in a letter to
Cavalier Spaniel breeder Bet Hargreaves:

"Our ongoing studies of dogs show that following routine
vaccination, there is a significant rise in the level of antibodies
dogs produce against their own tissues. Some of these antibodies
have been shown to target the thyroid gland, connective tissue such
as that found in the *valves of the heart*, red blood cells, DNA,
etc. I do believe that the heart conditions in Cavalier King Charles
Spaniels could be the end result of repeated immunisations by
vaccines containing tissue culture contaminants that cause a
progressive immune response directed at connective tissue in the
heart valves. The clinical manifestations would be more pronounced
in dogs that have a genetic predisposition [although] the findings
should be generally applicable to all dogs regardless of their breed."