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Barking Pyranees
I'm hoping that someone here can give some suggestions on how to teach my
Great Pyranees not to bark...or at least to reduce it! KC is a 14 month male, non-neutered Pyr who has perfected barking ! Luckily we live in the country with no neighbours to get upset, but the barking is driving us crazy. Some days he is great, hardly no noise from him at all, and yet at other times he will constantly bark with no obvious stimulus....I guess something is bothering him but it's not obvious to us. When outdoors he is tied up with a 60ft long chain that gives him pleny of space to roam, when indoors he has freedom to go where ever he wants. No matter where he is he will bark, indoors, outdoors, you name it. Things we have tried: Spray water in face Muzzle Put him in his crate Keep him indoors Keep him outdoors Electric shock collar so far nothing works. The barking is so bad that the next step is to send him back to the breeder, because it is driving us crazy. Hellllpppp. |
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Yeah, what Jonathan said....I am no expert either, I have just had many
dogs, who were great and quirky and smart and....awwww heck, I just loved them heaps....they were also well mannered and trained, without using any of the methods you have mentioned. You don't say what toys and games your dog has to play when he is alone in the yard. Do you keep him out there tied up when you are home? Is he barking at things....or at you in the house? You are aware that this breed is not meant to be kept alone aren't you? They are big time into bonding and spending a lot of time with other animals or people, if they can't do that, they get a tad....off. As would you if you were left alone a lot but were a real social person, you would get depressed. When your dog barks, its polite to go see what is going on, otherwise, your dog is going to think you are unaware of danger or trouble that may be coming, so he will try to get your attention to assess the area with him, or at least back up him if its trouble. The more you ignore, the more he tries to tell you, "Come quick! Danger, big leaf coming in the yard! Back off leaf, here comes my pack!", or he could be bored silly, "Hey you! Over there! What are you doing? Do you see me? Hi! Wanna come over and let me go so we can play? Hey, hey, hey...HEEELLLLLOOOOOOOOOO" Yes, dogs have a sense of manners too, just like we do, theirs are just different. Your dog is also young, a teenager. He needs reminding, "Hey big fella we hear you, yeah, I see that, a car drove by. Come over here, have a chewy bone and lets go sit while I relax and watch the ball game. come here, good fella....." distract him from whatever he is barking at, AFTER you acknowledge that he was showing you something. You do this, by having him leave the area WITH you, or give him something to do, like a ball, toy, chewy....he can play with instead. Remember, tell him he is good for warning you, praise him for his attention to detail, then reward him for a job well done (you don't need to use just food, pats, scratches, silly talk, ball.... all are a reward, mix them up at will, the surprise will please him and keep him wanting to please you to see what happens next) . You MUST respond to him as soon as you can. If you are busy inside and have hands full, then call out to him, "Hey fella, I hear you, hang on a sec, be right there..."use the tone of voice you would if you were calling to a friend that you will be right there in a sec, light, but sure. Then put down what you are doing, open the door/walk into the room where the dog is...then do the above good dog stuff....once he gets that yes, you will show up, you are paying attention, you do think he is good AND he grows up a tad....you will be doing ok and he will mellow out, it shouldn't take too long, if done consistently. You have a very smart breed there, they figure things out fast, if you give them actual reasons for what you want, rather than have them blindly follow you, (this breed isn't made that way) then you have a happy dog who understands what's happening. They are made to do their job, without supervision, to think for themselves and deal with things on their own. They are also meant to work in tandem with others of their ilk, so can get lonely very easily. This breed isn't the type to just do it, just cuz...they want to know WHY, then they understand and will do it. You can't treat one like a lab, or spaniel, because they aren't people working dogs, they are an independent animal guard dog who see people as a good excuse to take a nap while someone else watches the other animals.....a dog, is a dog, is a dog....however, like a rose, different types need different handling and space with which to grow, once you have mastered your individual big, huge, white fluffy rose, then you will have the best of show and live a long happy life together. I fear, what you may have done, is get your dog into a mindset that whatever it is he is trying to tell you, he is going to have to be very forceful about it, because you aren't getting it. Even though he is trying to show you its very important by still barking even though you are doing things that frankly, can be scary, sudden and confusing for a young dog who is only wanting to be understood and instead gets a face full of water or a shock collar zinging him. It doesn't mean you have a dumb dog, it means you have a dog who isn't understanding what you want him to do, because its not making sense to him. He may just think you are slow and need to be helped....contact your breeder, they may know of a local breed group who can give you pointers about your breed and issues about random barking....please don't give up yet....if he is still giving you loving doggie kisses and playing with you, then he hasn't given up on you yet....don't let him down, he wouldn't let you down if he could help it.... Megan On 8/10/03 5:18 AM, in article , "Jonathan" wrote: Things we have tried: Spray water in face Muzzle Put him in his crate Keep him indoors Keep him outdoors Electric shock collar I'm no expert (by a long chalk)- but how's about working with him- not against him? What worked well with my psycho P JRT was to thank him for alerting me to a perceived threat (car starting, bird flying past, suspected wasp taking off...), reward him for telling me, and then OWN THE RISK as pack leader. It goes like:- H:- WUFFF WUFF WUFF WUFFFFFFffffff (Theres summat out there- danger!) Me:- OK- great thanks for that mate- heres yah treat (boggin shurrup dorg- but I aint gonna say that) H:- Grrr- (sure therers something out there, but I got the treat, and he's talking responsibility for it, and, and, TREATS!). The craik is you are leader, and he is like a sentry- he picks up on something and warns you. If you go into 'war mode' by laying into the dog, he associates the danger signal with trouble, which re-enforces his barking. If you thank him for his valid contribution to the pack's safety, treat him, then make sure he sees that you now 'own' the danger, he should be happy as larry- as long as he accepts you position as Alpha male, and his as a peon. If not, you may need a bit of help! Having said all the above, my little s*d went from being an absolute nightmare of a fence runner to a brilliant non-barker (I live next door to a school playing ground- he would sit and sunbathe at playing timewith about 400 12 to 14 year olds lobbing trash over the fence not reacting at all)- but has now become a little more territorial & has started yelling when the door bell goes again. Time to re-enforce ... something! Good luck, J. (PS- you will probably have been labled a dog abuser, serial rapist, alien abductee and had all the juicy nits of all the people in this group cut & pasted out of context into a hate mail by now from a certain member of this group- different, isn't he?) |
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Yeah, what Jonathan said....I am no expert either, I have just had many
dogs, who were great and quirky and smart and....awwww heck, I just loved them heaps....they were also well mannered and trained, without using any of the methods you have mentioned. You don't say what toys and games your dog has to play when he is alone in the yard. Do you keep him out there tied up when you are home? Is he barking at things....or at you in the house? You are aware that this breed is not meant to be kept alone aren't you? They are big time into bonding and spending a lot of time with other animals or people, if they can't do that, they get a tad....off. As would you if you were left alone a lot but were a real social person, you would get depressed. When your dog barks, its polite to go see what is going on, otherwise, your dog is going to think you are unaware of danger or trouble that may be coming, so he will try to get your attention to assess the area with him, or at least back up him if its trouble. The more you ignore, the more he tries to tell you, "Come quick! Danger, big leaf coming in the yard! Back off leaf, here comes my pack!", or he could be bored silly, "Hey you! Over there! What are you doing? Do you see me? Hi! Wanna come over and let me go so we can play? Hey, hey, hey...HEEELLLLLOOOOOOOOOO" Yes, dogs have a sense of manners too, just like we do, theirs are just different. Your dog is also young, a teenager. He needs reminding, "Hey big fella we hear you, yeah, I see that, a car drove by. Come over here, have a chewy bone and lets go sit while I relax and watch the ball game. come here, good fella....." distract him from whatever he is barking at, AFTER you acknowledge that he was showing you something. You do this, by having him leave the area WITH you, or give him something to do, like a ball, toy, chewy....he can play with instead. Remember, tell him he is good for warning you, praise him for his attention to detail, then reward him for a job well done (you don't need to use just food, pats, scratches, silly talk, ball.... all are a reward, mix them up at will, the surprise will please him and keep him wanting to please you to see what happens next) . You MUST respond to him as soon as you can. If you are busy inside and have hands full, then call out to him, "Hey fella, I hear you, hang on a sec, be right there..."use the tone of voice you would if you were calling to a friend that you will be right there in a sec, light, but sure. Then put down what you are doing, open the door/walk into the room where the dog is...then do the above good dog stuff....once he gets that yes, you will show up, you are paying attention, you do think he is good AND he grows up a tad....you will be doing ok and he will mellow out, it shouldn't take too long, if done consistently. You have a very smart breed there, they figure things out fast, if you give them actual reasons for what you want, rather than have them blindly follow you, (this breed isn't made that way) then you have a happy dog who understands what's happening. They are made to do their job, without supervision, to think for themselves and deal with things on their own. They are also meant to work in tandem with others of their ilk, so can get lonely very easily. This breed isn't the type to just do it, just cuz...they want to know WHY, then they understand and will do it. You can't treat one like a lab, or spaniel, because they aren't people working dogs, they are an independent animal guard dog who see people as a good excuse to take a nap while someone else watches the other animals.....a dog, is a dog, is a dog....however, like a rose, different types need different handling and space with which to grow, once you have mastered your individual big, huge, white fluffy rose, then you will have the best of show and live a long happy life together. I fear, what you may have done, is get your dog into a mindset that whatever it is he is trying to tell you, he is going to have to be very forceful about it, because you aren't getting it. Even though he is trying to show you its very important by still barking even though you are doing things that frankly, can be scary, sudden and confusing for a young dog who is only wanting to be understood and instead gets a face full of water or a shock collar zinging him. It doesn't mean you have a dumb dog, it means you have a dog who isn't understanding what you want him to do, because its not making sense to him. He may just think you are slow and need to be helped....contact your breeder, they may know of a local breed group who can give you pointers about your breed and issues about random barking....please don't give up yet....if he is still giving you loving doggie kisses and playing with you, then he hasn't given up on you yet....don't let him down, he wouldn't let you down if he could help it.... Megan On 8/10/03 5:18 AM, in article , "Jonathan" wrote: Things we have tried: Spray water in face Muzzle Put him in his crate Keep him indoors Keep him outdoors Electric shock collar I'm no expert (by a long chalk)- but how's about working with him- not against him? What worked well with my psycho P JRT was to thank him for alerting me to a perceived threat (car starting, bird flying past, suspected wasp taking off...), reward him for telling me, and then OWN THE RISK as pack leader. It goes like:- H:- WUFFF WUFF WUFF WUFFFFFFffffff (Theres summat out there- danger!) Me:- OK- great thanks for that mate- heres yah treat (boggin shurrup dorg- but I aint gonna say that) H:- Grrr- (sure therers something out there, but I got the treat, and he's talking responsibility for it, and, and, TREATS!). The craik is you are leader, and he is like a sentry- he picks up on something and warns you. If you go into 'war mode' by laying into the dog, he associates the danger signal with trouble, which re-enforces his barking. If you thank him for his valid contribution to the pack's safety, treat him, then make sure he sees that you now 'own' the danger, he should be happy as larry- as long as he accepts you position as Alpha male, and his as a peon. If not, you may need a bit of help! Having said all the above, my little s*d went from being an absolute nightmare of a fence runner to a brilliant non-barker (I live next door to a school playing ground- he would sit and sunbathe at playing timewith about 400 12 to 14 year olds lobbing trash over the fence not reacting at all)- but has now become a little more territorial & has started yelling when the door bell goes again. Time to re-enforce ... something! Good luck, J. (PS- you will probably have been labled a dog abuser, serial rapist, alien abductee and had all the juicy nits of all the people in this group cut & pasted out of context into a hate mail by now from a certain member of this group- different, isn't he?) |
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Yeah, what Jonathan said....I am no expert either, I have just had many
dogs, who were great and quirky and smart and....awwww heck, I just loved them heaps....they were also well mannered and trained, without using any of the methods you have mentioned. You don't say what toys and games your dog has to play when he is alone in the yard. Do you keep him out there tied up when you are home? Is he barking at things....or at you in the house? You are aware that this breed is not meant to be kept alone aren't you? They are big time into bonding and spending a lot of time with other animals or people, if they can't do that, they get a tad....off. As would you if you were left alone a lot but were a real social person, you would get depressed. When your dog barks, its polite to go see what is going on, otherwise, your dog is going to think you are unaware of danger or trouble that may be coming, so he will try to get your attention to assess the area with him, or at least back up him if its trouble. The more you ignore, the more he tries to tell you, "Come quick! Danger, big leaf coming in the yard! Back off leaf, here comes my pack!", or he could be bored silly, "Hey you! Over there! What are you doing? Do you see me? Hi! Wanna come over and let me go so we can play? Hey, hey, hey...HEEELLLLLOOOOOOOOOO" Yes, dogs have a sense of manners too, just like we do, theirs are just different. Your dog is also young, a teenager. He needs reminding, "Hey big fella we hear you, yeah, I see that, a car drove by. Come over here, have a chewy bone and lets go sit while I relax and watch the ball game. come here, good fella....." distract him from whatever he is barking at, AFTER you acknowledge that he was showing you something. You do this, by having him leave the area WITH you, or give him something to do, like a ball, toy, chewy....he can play with instead. Remember, tell him he is good for warning you, praise him for his attention to detail, then reward him for a job well done (you don't need to use just food, pats, scratches, silly talk, ball.... all are a reward, mix them up at will, the surprise will please him and keep him wanting to please you to see what happens next) . You MUST respond to him as soon as you can. If you are busy inside and have hands full, then call out to him, "Hey fella, I hear you, hang on a sec, be right there..."use the tone of voice you would if you were calling to a friend that you will be right there in a sec, light, but sure. Then put down what you are doing, open the door/walk into the room where the dog is...then do the above good dog stuff....once he gets that yes, you will show up, you are paying attention, you do think he is good AND he grows up a tad....you will be doing ok and he will mellow out, it shouldn't take too long, if done consistently. You have a very smart breed there, they figure things out fast, if you give them actual reasons for what you want, rather than have them blindly follow you, (this breed isn't made that way) then you have a happy dog who understands what's happening. They are made to do their job, without supervision, to think for themselves and deal with things on their own. They are also meant to work in tandem with others of their ilk, so can get lonely very easily. This breed isn't the type to just do it, just cuz...they want to know WHY, then they understand and will do it. You can't treat one like a lab, or spaniel, because they aren't people working dogs, they are an independent animal guard dog who see people as a good excuse to take a nap while someone else watches the other animals.....a dog, is a dog, is a dog....however, like a rose, different types need different handling and space with which to grow, once you have mastered your individual big, huge, white fluffy rose, then you will have the best of show and live a long happy life together. I fear, what you may have done, is get your dog into a mindset that whatever it is he is trying to tell you, he is going to have to be very forceful about it, because you aren't getting it. Even though he is trying to show you its very important by still barking even though you are doing things that frankly, can be scary, sudden and confusing for a young dog who is only wanting to be understood and instead gets a face full of water or a shock collar zinging him. It doesn't mean you have a dumb dog, it means you have a dog who isn't understanding what you want him to do, because its not making sense to him. He may just think you are slow and need to be helped....contact your breeder, they may know of a local breed group who can give you pointers about your breed and issues about random barking....please don't give up yet....if he is still giving you loving doggie kisses and playing with you, then he hasn't given up on you yet....don't let him down, he wouldn't let you down if he could help it.... Megan On 8/10/03 5:18 AM, in article , "Jonathan" wrote: Things we have tried: Spray water in face Muzzle Put him in his crate Keep him indoors Keep him outdoors Electric shock collar I'm no expert (by a long chalk)- but how's about working with him- not against him? What worked well with my psycho P JRT was to thank him for alerting me to a perceived threat (car starting, bird flying past, suspected wasp taking off...), reward him for telling me, and then OWN THE RISK as pack leader. It goes like:- H:- WUFFF WUFF WUFF WUFFFFFFffffff (Theres summat out there- danger!) Me:- OK- great thanks for that mate- heres yah treat (boggin shurrup dorg- but I aint gonna say that) H:- Grrr- (sure therers something out there, but I got the treat, and he's talking responsibility for it, and, and, TREATS!). The craik is you are leader, and he is like a sentry- he picks up on something and warns you. If you go into 'war mode' by laying into the dog, he associates the danger signal with trouble, which re-enforces his barking. If you thank him for his valid contribution to the pack's safety, treat him, then make sure he sees that you now 'own' the danger, he should be happy as larry- as long as he accepts you position as Alpha male, and his as a peon. If not, you may need a bit of help! Having said all the above, my little s*d went from being an absolute nightmare of a fence runner to a brilliant non-barker (I live next door to a school playing ground- he would sit and sunbathe at playing timewith about 400 12 to 14 year olds lobbing trash over the fence not reacting at all)- but has now become a little more territorial & has started yelling when the door bell goes again. Time to re-enforce ... something! Good luck, J. (PS- you will probably have been labled a dog abuser, serial rapist, alien abductee and had all the juicy nits of all the people in this group cut & pasted out of context into a hate mail by now from a certain member of this group- different, isn't he?) |
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Thanks to Jonathan and Megan for the advise...gives me some hope !!
as for the wizard guy....whatever wrote in message ... I'm hoping that someone here can give some suggestions on how to teach my Great Pyranees not to bark...or at least to reduce it! KC is a 14 month male, non-neutered Pyr who has perfected barking ! Luckily we live in the country with no neighbours to get upset, but the barking is driving us crazy. Some days he is great, hardly no noise from him at all, and yet at other times he will constantly bark with no obvious stimulus....I guess something is bothering him but it's not obvious to us. When outdoors he is tied up with a 60ft long chain that gives him pleny of space to roam, when indoors he has freedom to go where ever he wants. No matter where he is he will bark, indoors, outdoors, you name it. Things we have tried: Spray water in face Muzzle Put him in his crate Keep him indoors Keep him outdoors Electric shock collar so far nothing works. The barking is so bad that the next step is to send him back to the breeder, because it is driving us crazy. Hellllpppp. |
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Thanks to Jonathan and Megan for the advise...gives me some hope !!
as for the wizard guy....whatever wrote in message ... I'm hoping that someone here can give some suggestions on how to teach my Great Pyranees not to bark...or at least to reduce it! KC is a 14 month male, non-neutered Pyr who has perfected barking ! Luckily we live in the country with no neighbours to get upset, but the barking is driving us crazy. Some days he is great, hardly no noise from him at all, and yet at other times he will constantly bark with no obvious stimulus....I guess something is bothering him but it's not obvious to us. When outdoors he is tied up with a 60ft long chain that gives him pleny of space to roam, when indoors he has freedom to go where ever he wants. No matter where he is he will bark, indoors, outdoors, you name it. Things we have tried: Spray water in face Muzzle Put him in his crate Keep him indoors Keep him outdoors Electric shock collar so far nothing works. The barking is so bad that the next step is to send him back to the breeder, because it is driving us crazy. Hellllpppp. |
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Thanks to Jonathan and Megan for the advise...gives me some hope !!
as for the wizard guy....whatever wrote in message ... I'm hoping that someone here can give some suggestions on how to teach my Great Pyranees not to bark...or at least to reduce it! KC is a 14 month male, non-neutered Pyr who has perfected barking ! Luckily we live in the country with no neighbours to get upset, but the barking is driving us crazy. Some days he is great, hardly no noise from him at all, and yet at other times he will constantly bark with no obvious stimulus....I guess something is bothering him but it's not obvious to us. When outdoors he is tied up with a 60ft long chain that gives him pleny of space to roam, when indoors he has freedom to go where ever he wants. No matter where he is he will bark, indoors, outdoors, you name it. Things we have tried: Spray water in face Muzzle Put him in his crate Keep him indoors Keep him outdoors Electric shock collar so far nothing works. The barking is so bad that the next step is to send him back to the breeder, because it is driving us crazy. Hellllpppp. |
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Happy too...but I am not a professional or anything....thats just what we
have always done with our dogs, and it worked fine on the ones we had who were the bark types. Keep hope alive, and your dog by your side!!! LOL Megan On 9/10/03 1:01 AM, in article , " wrote: Thanks to Jonathan and Megan for the advise...gives me some hope !! as for the wizard guy....whatever wrote in message ... I'm hoping that someone here can give some suggestions on how to teach my Great Pyranees not to bark...or at least to reduce it! KC is a 14 month male, non-neutered Pyr who has perfected barking ! Luckily we live in the country with no neighbours to get upset, but the barking is driving us crazy. Some days he is great, hardly no noise from him at all, and yet at other times he will constantly bark with no obvious stimulus....I guess something is bothering him but it's not obvious to us. When outdoors he is tied up with a 60ft long chain that gives him pleny of space to roam, when indoors he has freedom to go where ever he wants. No matter where he is he will bark, indoors, outdoors, you name it. Things we have tried: Spray water in face Muzzle Put him in his crate Keep him indoors Keep him outdoors Electric shock collar so far nothing works. The barking is so bad that the next step is to send him back to the breeder, because it is driving us crazy. Hellllpppp. |
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Happy too...but I am not a professional or anything....thats just what we
have always done with our dogs, and it worked fine on the ones we had who were the bark types. Keep hope alive, and your dog by your side!!! LOL Megan On 9/10/03 1:01 AM, in article , " wrote: Thanks to Jonathan and Megan for the advise...gives me some hope !! as for the wizard guy....whatever wrote in message ... I'm hoping that someone here can give some suggestions on how to teach my Great Pyranees not to bark...or at least to reduce it! KC is a 14 month male, non-neutered Pyr who has perfected barking ! Luckily we live in the country with no neighbours to get upset, but the barking is driving us crazy. Some days he is great, hardly no noise from him at all, and yet at other times he will constantly bark with no obvious stimulus....I guess something is bothering him but it's not obvious to us. When outdoors he is tied up with a 60ft long chain that gives him pleny of space to roam, when indoors he has freedom to go where ever he wants. No matter where he is he will bark, indoors, outdoors, you name it. Things we have tried: Spray water in face Muzzle Put him in his crate Keep him indoors Keep him outdoors Electric shock collar so far nothing works. The barking is so bad that the next step is to send him back to the breeder, because it is driving us crazy. Hellllpppp. |
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Happy too...but I am not a professional or anything....thats just what we
have always done with our dogs, and it worked fine on the ones we had who were the bark types. Keep hope alive, and your dog by your side!!! LOL Megan On 9/10/03 1:01 AM, in article , " wrote: Thanks to Jonathan and Megan for the advise...gives me some hope !! as for the wizard guy....whatever wrote in message ... I'm hoping that someone here can give some suggestions on how to teach my Great Pyranees not to bark...or at least to reduce it! KC is a 14 month male, non-neutered Pyr who has perfected barking ! Luckily we live in the country with no neighbours to get upset, but the barking is driving us crazy. Some days he is great, hardly no noise from him at all, and yet at other times he will constantly bark with no obvious stimulus....I guess something is bothering him but it's not obvious to us. When outdoors he is tied up with a 60ft long chain that gives him pleny of space to roam, when indoors he has freedom to go where ever he wants. No matter where he is he will bark, indoors, outdoors, you name it. Things we have tried: Spray water in face Muzzle Put him in his crate Keep him indoors Keep him outdoors Electric shock collar so far nothing works. The barking is so bad that the next step is to send him back to the breeder, because it is driving us crazy. Hellllpppp. |
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