ADHD in Dogs

In article ,
C. L. wrote:
There's no such thing as ADHD in humans either. It's all a myth that the
drug companies got everyone to buy into.

It's probably overdiagnosed, but if it doesn't exist at all
how do explain the difference in glucose use in the portion
of the brain controlling attention in people who have been
diagnosed as ADHD?
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

The number of American manufacturing jobs has been
shrinking for 42 straight months.

"C. L." wrote in message
...
There's no such thing as ADHD in humans either. It's all a myth that the
drug companies got everyone to buy into. Not knowing how to behave has
all
the sudden gotten this fancy title. A child with ADHD is simply a child
that has not learned how to behave. The symptoms are certainly real, but
if
you read the symptoms they are all behaviors. None of the symptoms are
physiological.

That's my soap box for the day and I in no way want this to turn into a
debate, but I had to say it. I teach K-5 and I work with kids full
time
so I've already had this debate and no one ends up winning anyway.
Hahaha.

I disagree and would like to point out that ADD or ADHD is not always
accompanied by behavioral problems. There are several types/classifications
of the disorder(s). But I'm not looking for an argument either and will not
try to dissuade you. I do, however, recommend that you research this before
declaring it non-existent and all the parent's or child's fault. As a
teacher I'd think that is the most logical step anyway.

--
Tara

"C. L." wrote in message
...
There's no such thing as ADHD in humans either. It's all a myth that the
drug companies got everyone to buy into. Not knowing how to behave has
all
the sudden gotten this fancy title. A child with ADHD is simply a child
that has not learned how to behave. The symptoms are certainly real, but
if
you read the symptoms they are all behaviors. None of the symptoms are
physiological.

That's my soap box for the day and I in no way want this to turn into a
debate, but I had to say it. I teach K-5 and I work with kids full
time
so I've already had this debate and no one ends up winning anyway.
Hahaha.

I disagree and would like to point out that ADD or ADHD is not always
accompanied by behavioral problems. There are several types/classifications
of the disorder(s). But I'm not looking for an argument either and will not
try to dissuade you. I do, however, recommend that you research this before
declaring it non-existent and all the parent's or child's fault. As a
teacher I'd think that is the most logical step anyway.

--
Tara

"C. L." wrote in message
...
There's no such thing as ADHD in humans either. It's all a myth that the
drug companies got everyone to buy into. Not knowing how to behave has
all
the sudden gotten this fancy title. A child with ADHD is simply a child
that has not learned how to behave. The symptoms are certainly real, but
if
you read the symptoms they are all behaviors. None of the symptoms are
physiological.

That's my soap box for the day and I in no way want this to turn into a
debate, but I had to say it. I teach K-5 and I work with kids full
time
so I've already had this debate and no one ends up winning anyway.
Hahaha.

I disagree and would like to point out that ADD or ADHD is not always
accompanied by behavioral problems. There are several types/classifications
of the disorder(s). But I'm not looking for an argument either and will not
try to dissuade you. I do, however, recommend that you research this before
declaring it non-existent and all the parent's or child's fault. As a
teacher I'd think that is the most logical step anyway.

--
Tara

"C. L." wrote in message
...
There's no such thing as ADHD in humans either. It's all a myth that the
drug companies got everyone to buy into. Not knowing how to behave has
all
the sudden gotten this fancy title. A child with ADHD is simply a child
that has not learned how to behave. The symptoms are certainly real, but
if
you read the symptoms they are all behaviors. None of the symptoms are
physiological.

That's my soap box for the day and I in no way want this to turn into a
debate, but I had to say it. I teach K-5 and I work with kids full
time
so I've already had this debate and no one ends up winning anyway.
Hahaha.

I disagree and would like to point out that ADD or ADHD is not always
accompanied by behavioral problems. There are several types/classifications
of the disorder(s). But I'm not looking for an argument either and will not
try to dissuade you. I do, however, recommend that you research this before
declaring it non-existent and all the parent's or child's fault. As a
teacher I'd think that is the most logical step anyway.

--
Tara

"Jo Wolf" wrote in message
...
There's also hyper-reactivity.... which is not the same as
hyperactivity.

Hyperactivity was the Wirehair Pointing Griffon a student owned.... The
dog fit Tara's description beautifully. Indeed, the owners were ready
to pull their hair out. The vet put him on Prozac and it slightly
reduced the activity level, but made no change in evidence of learning.
They tried a stimulant, not Ritalin... one of the others... and there
was enough improvement to save his home.... but he was still much busier
than normal for this active breed. A couple of years later, he
developed multi-system failure and died quickly... not drug related..

Hyper-reactivity is the dog that can stand still, rest on a lap, and
learn, often quite quickly, but that over-reacts to the whole world!
That's my Schroeder. He was pretty unbearable at times, too, but I
could talk-him-down, relax him with massage, or bring things to a halt
with a sit or down. Fortunately he had a strong desire to please and
loved doing tricks and short obedience command combinations, and some of
that energy could be burned off that way. He was the first dog to
notice the moving squirrel, and go for it (now, he sends the puppy to
chase it for him.... funny to watch). He would startle into a hover
above ground if a door slammed. The mere sound of the Dremel sent him
into a swivet. And as he approached middle age, he developed fear of
thunder and fireworks. At 11, he's still Very active... and very
reactive. In five years of trying, he got one Novice obedience leg...
it was exceptionally unstimulating in the building when he was in the
ring that day... and the judge was generous. In real life, he's very
obedient, and in training, he loves Rally, grinning his way around the
ring with a prance. Using voice and hand signals, I can hold his
attention on me, not on the environment. He's a great little therapy
dog and a World Class Bed Dog every night.

And that may be exactly it. I tend to use the most common term, should say
misuse, like many people do because A) it can be hard to distinguish between
the two and B) its easier. One dog in particular has the symptoms I
described as well as the startle factor and I hadn't connected the two.

--
Tara

"Jo Wolf" wrote in message
...
There's also hyper-reactivity.... which is not the same as
hyperactivity.

Hyperactivity was the Wirehair Pointing Griffon a student owned.... The
dog fit Tara's description beautifully. Indeed, the owners were ready
to pull their hair out. The vet put him on Prozac and it slightly
reduced the activity level, but made no change in evidence of learning.
They tried a stimulant, not Ritalin... one of the others... and there
was enough improvement to save his home.... but he was still much busier
than normal for this active breed. A couple of years later, he
developed multi-system failure and died quickly... not drug related..

Hyper-reactivity is the dog that can stand still, rest on a lap, and
learn, often quite quickly, but that over-reacts to the whole world!
That's my Schroeder. He was pretty unbearable at times, too, but I
could talk-him-down, relax him with massage, or bring things to a halt
with a sit or down. Fortunately he had a strong desire to please and
loved doing tricks and short obedience command combinations, and some of
that energy could be burned off that way. He was the first dog to
notice the moving squirrel, and go for it (now, he sends the puppy to
chase it for him.... funny to watch). He would startle into a hover
above ground if a door slammed. The mere sound of the Dremel sent him
into a swivet. And as he approached middle age, he developed fear of
thunder and fireworks. At 11, he's still Very active... and very
reactive. In five years of trying, he got one Novice obedience leg...
it was exceptionally unstimulating in the building when he was in the
ring that day... and the judge was generous. In real life, he's very
obedient, and in training, he loves Rally, grinning his way around the
ring with a prance. Using voice and hand signals, I can hold his
attention on me, not on the environment. He's a great little therapy
dog and a World Class Bed Dog every night.

And that may be exactly it. I tend to use the most common term, should say
misuse, like many people do because A) it can be hard to distinguish between
the two and B) its easier. One dog in particular has the symptoms I
described as well as the startle factor and I hadn't connected the two.

--
Tara

"Jo Wolf" wrote in message
...
There's also hyper-reactivity.... which is not the same as
hyperactivity.

Hyperactivity was the Wirehair Pointing Griffon a student owned.... The
dog fit Tara's description beautifully. Indeed, the owners were ready
to pull their hair out. The vet put him on Prozac and it slightly
reduced the activity level, but made no change in evidence of learning.
They tried a stimulant, not Ritalin... one of the others... and there
was enough improvement to save his home.... but he was still much busier
than normal for this active breed. A couple of years later, he
developed multi-system failure and died quickly... not drug related..

Hyper-reactivity is the dog that can stand still, rest on a lap, and
learn, often quite quickly, but that over-reacts to the whole world!
That's my Schroeder. He was pretty unbearable at times, too, but I
could talk-him-down, relax him with massage, or bring things to a halt
with a sit or down. Fortunately he had a strong desire to please and
loved doing tricks and short obedience command combinations, and some of
that energy could be burned off that way. He was the first dog to
notice the moving squirrel, and go for it (now, he sends the puppy to
chase it for him.... funny to watch). He would startle into a hover
above ground if a door slammed. The mere sound of the Dremel sent him
into a swivet. And as he approached middle age, he developed fear of
thunder and fireworks. At 11, he's still Very active... and very
reactive. In five years of trying, he got one Novice obedience leg...
it was exceptionally unstimulating in the building when he was in the
ring that day... and the judge was generous. In real life, he's very
obedient, and in training, he loves Rally, grinning his way around the
ring with a prance. Using voice and hand signals, I can hold his
attention on me, not on the environment. He's a great little therapy
dog and a World Class Bed Dog every night.

And that may be exactly it. I tend to use the most common term, should say
misuse, like many people do because A) it can be hard to distinguish between
the two and B) its easier. One dog in particular has the symptoms I
described as well as the startle factor and I hadn't connected the two.

--
Tara

"Jo Wolf" wrote in message
...
There's also hyper-reactivity.... which is not the same as
hyperactivity.

Hyperactivity was the Wirehair Pointing Griffon a student owned.... The
dog fit Tara's description beautifully. Indeed, the owners were ready
to pull their hair out. The vet put him on Prozac and it slightly
reduced the activity level, but made no change in evidence of learning.
They tried a stimulant, not Ritalin... one of the others... and there
was enough improvement to save his home.... but he was still much busier
than normal for this active breed. A couple of years later, he
developed multi-system failure and died quickly... not drug related..

Hyper-reactivity is the dog that can stand still, rest on a lap, and
learn, often quite quickly, but that over-reacts to the whole world!
That's my Schroeder. He was pretty unbearable at times, too, but I
could talk-him-down, relax him with massage, or bring things to a halt
with a sit or down. Fortunately he had a strong desire to please and
loved doing tricks and short obedience command combinations, and some of
that energy could be burned off that way. He was the first dog to
notice the moving squirrel, and go for it (now, he sends the puppy to
chase it for him.... funny to watch). He would startle into a hover
above ground if a door slammed. The mere sound of the Dremel sent him
into a swivet. And as he approached middle age, he developed fear of
thunder and fireworks. At 11, he's still Very active... and very
reactive. In five years of trying, he got one Novice obedience leg...
it was exceptionally unstimulating in the building when he was in the
ring that day... and the judge was generous. In real life, he's very
obedient, and in training, he loves Rally, grinning his way around the
ring with a prance. Using voice and hand signals, I can hold his
attention on me, not on the environment. He's a great little therapy
dog and a World Class Bed Dog every night.

And that may be exactly it. I tend to use the most common term, should say
misuse, like many people do because A) it can be hard to distinguish between
the two and B) its easier. One dog in particular has the symptoms I
described as well as the startle factor and I hadn't connected the two.

--
Tara

"Tee" wrote in message
...

I disagree and would like to point out that ADD or ADHD is not always
accompanied by behavioral problems.

I didn't say behavior PROBLEMS I said behaviors. I very much align myself
with the behavioral pyschologists when it comes to both teaching AND dogs.
Behaviors are learned. If they're reinforced they increase in frequency.
If they are ignored they decrease. If they are punished. . . well there's a
whole nother ballgame!

I did research on ADHD a couple years ago and found nothing to dissuade me.
I am in no way, however, married to my opinion and have no problem changing
it. If the research is out there that will help me change my mind I welcome
it. In all seriousness, if any of you have links you'd like to share feel
free. It just isn't a high enough priority for me to search it out myself.