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Old September 12th 04, 06:48 PM
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From: Handsome Jack Morrison

I can think of no one who appears to be more qualified to write a
*fiction* novel about dogs...


ROFL!!
Lauralyn
My agility dogs:
Cheyenne MXJ MX, AAD
Shylo MXJ MX, AAD
Lakota - the crazy BC!
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Old September 12th 04, 06:48 PM
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From: Handsome Jack Morrison

I can think of no one who appears to be more qualified to write a
*fiction* novel about dogs...


ROFL!!
Lauralyn
My agility dogs:
Cheyenne MXJ MX, AAD
Shylo MXJ MX, AAD
Lakota - the crazy BC!
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/...ame=computype2

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Old September 12th 04, 06:48 PM
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From: Handsome Jack Morrison

I can think of no one who appears to be more qualified to write a
*fiction* novel about dogs...


ROFL!!
Lauralyn
My agility dogs:
Cheyenne MXJ MX, AAD
Shylo MXJ MX, AAD
Lakota - the crazy BC!
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/...ame=computype2

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Old September 12th 04, 06:48 PM
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From: Handsome Jack Morrison

I can think of no one who appears to be more qualified to write a
*fiction* novel about dogs...


ROFL!!
Lauralyn
My agility dogs:
Cheyenne MXJ MX, AAD
Shylo MXJ MX, AAD
Lakota - the crazy BC!
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/...ame=computype2

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Old September 12th 04, 07:17 PM
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The thing is, I (finally) spoke to an expert I trust, and he told me he'd
never seen or heard of the Kong being used for training working dogs
either. He said he always used a length of PVC pipe, with a small hole
for putting the target material inside. He also said that the pipe has to
be clean of all other scents, such as the dog's saliva, etc., before
working the dog with it. But he also validated my position on fetch,
saying he thinks the game should come first, before anything else, because
it's a critical part of the learning process.

And though he's never trained any dogs for search-and-rescue, he has had
experience going on searches with S&R handlers and their dogs and has high
(though somewhat backhanded) praise for S&R trainers.


He's an expert in SAR, but he's never trained a SAR dog? Can't have it both
ways.

His other comment was an expresson of surprise at hearing that some
trainers are now using clickers to "imprint" a dog to a scent before
playing fetch, and said he thinks that's doing things "backwards", that
the prey drive should always be activated first. That's his opinion,
based on over 25 years experience in the field.


In what field? Say what you mean, you've basically talked to someone who has
similiar views as you and, like you, hasn't ever trained a SAR dog, just
observed a few.

The fact
is, what everyone else (or nearly everyone else) has been saying, at least
in terms of their opinions and beliefs about theory and practice, is just
as valid as what I'm saying, except that I truly believe (and think I've
provided enough evidence to support this) that what I'm saying is
reflective of a new paradigm.


No, what you have is jsut that theroies and beliefs. What people like Lynn have
is experience. Whole different ball game.



Among other
things, I claimed that tug-of-war can cure aggression in some dogs. In
fact, one night I suggested to a woman with an aggressive dog that she try
it, and a flurry of negative comments ensued, which she, fortunately,
ignored because she was too busy blindly and some might say, stupidly,
following my advice to have had any time to read the backlash. She came
back to the board about a week later and expressed surprise and dismay at
all the negative commentary because it worked. Her dog was no longer
aggressive but he loved his tug toy.


Redirecting the dog sin't anything, but tug-of-war isn't a magic cure liek you
claim it to be. But it can wear some dogs out, give them something else to do
besides get frustrated. It's not a new concept that you or Kevin Behan suddenly
came up with.

I told her about my "radical" idea of using tug as a cure for aggression
and she said, "Yeah, some of the trainers I know have just started using
that." And Lauralynn can tell you (if she'll admit to it) that just two
years ago on the AOL board where she and I first "met", I got pretty much
the same reception (without the threat of violence part) for making the
same claim (among other things) there.



You got the same reception you got here. You think you have these radical new
ideas about dog training, which are neither radical or new and an ego bigger
than a mansion. Tug doesn't cure aggression, it can, for some dogs, be a great
training aide, but it doesn't magically "cure" anything.

So, are you going to go to a Suzanne Clothier seminar or read Bones Would Rain
From the Sky? Or are you still unwilling to read anything new that someone
besides Kevin wrote?




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Old September 12th 04, 07:17 PM
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The thing is, I (finally) spoke to an expert I trust, and he told me he'd
never seen or heard of the Kong being used for training working dogs
either. He said he always used a length of PVC pipe, with a small hole
for putting the target material inside. He also said that the pipe has to
be clean of all other scents, such as the dog's saliva, etc., before
working the dog with it. But he also validated my position on fetch,
saying he thinks the game should come first, before anything else, because
it's a critical part of the learning process.

And though he's never trained any dogs for search-and-rescue, he has had
experience going on searches with S&R handlers and their dogs and has high
(though somewhat backhanded) praise for S&R trainers.


He's an expert in SAR, but he's never trained a SAR dog? Can't have it both
ways.

His other comment was an expresson of surprise at hearing that some
trainers are now using clickers to "imprint" a dog to a scent before
playing fetch, and said he thinks that's doing things "backwards", that
the prey drive should always be activated first. That's his opinion,
based on over 25 years experience in the field.


In what field? Say what you mean, you've basically talked to someone who has
similiar views as you and, like you, hasn't ever trained a SAR dog, just
observed a few.

The fact
is, what everyone else (or nearly everyone else) has been saying, at least
in terms of their opinions and beliefs about theory and practice, is just
as valid as what I'm saying, except that I truly believe (and think I've
provided enough evidence to support this) that what I'm saying is
reflective of a new paradigm.


No, what you have is jsut that theroies and beliefs. What people like Lynn have
is experience. Whole different ball game.



Among other
things, I claimed that tug-of-war can cure aggression in some dogs. In
fact, one night I suggested to a woman with an aggressive dog that she try
it, and a flurry of negative comments ensued, which she, fortunately,
ignored because she was too busy blindly and some might say, stupidly,
following my advice to have had any time to read the backlash. She came
back to the board about a week later and expressed surprise and dismay at
all the negative commentary because it worked. Her dog was no longer
aggressive but he loved his tug toy.


Redirecting the dog sin't anything, but tug-of-war isn't a magic cure liek you
claim it to be. But it can wear some dogs out, give them something else to do
besides get frustrated. It's not a new concept that you or Kevin Behan suddenly
came up with.

I told her about my "radical" idea of using tug as a cure for aggression
and she said, "Yeah, some of the trainers I know have just started using
that." And Lauralynn can tell you (if she'll admit to it) that just two
years ago on the AOL board where she and I first "met", I got pretty much
the same reception (without the threat of violence part) for making the
same claim (among other things) there.



You got the same reception you got here. You think you have these radical new
ideas about dog training, which are neither radical or new and an ego bigger
than a mansion. Tug doesn't cure aggression, it can, for some dogs, be a great
training aide, but it doesn't magically "cure" anything.

So, are you going to go to a Suzanne Clothier seminar or read Bones Would Rain
From the Sky? Or are you still unwilling to read anything new that someone
besides Kevin wrote?




  #2397  
Old September 12th 04, 07:17 PM
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The thing is, I (finally) spoke to an expert I trust, and he told me he'd
never seen or heard of the Kong being used for training working dogs
either. He said he always used a length of PVC pipe, with a small hole
for putting the target material inside. He also said that the pipe has to
be clean of all other scents, such as the dog's saliva, etc., before
working the dog with it. But he also validated my position on fetch,
saying he thinks the game should come first, before anything else, because
it's a critical part of the learning process.

And though he's never trained any dogs for search-and-rescue, he has had
experience going on searches with S&R handlers and their dogs and has high
(though somewhat backhanded) praise for S&R trainers.


He's an expert in SAR, but he's never trained a SAR dog? Can't have it both
ways.

His other comment was an expresson of surprise at hearing that some
trainers are now using clickers to "imprint" a dog to a scent before
playing fetch, and said he thinks that's doing things "backwards", that
the prey drive should always be activated first. That's his opinion,
based on over 25 years experience in the field.


In what field? Say what you mean, you've basically talked to someone who has
similiar views as you and, like you, hasn't ever trained a SAR dog, just
observed a few.

The fact
is, what everyone else (or nearly everyone else) has been saying, at least
in terms of their opinions and beliefs about theory and practice, is just
as valid as what I'm saying, except that I truly believe (and think I've
provided enough evidence to support this) that what I'm saying is
reflective of a new paradigm.


No, what you have is jsut that theroies and beliefs. What people like Lynn have
is experience. Whole different ball game.



Among other
things, I claimed that tug-of-war can cure aggression in some dogs. In
fact, one night I suggested to a woman with an aggressive dog that she try
it, and a flurry of negative comments ensued, which she, fortunately,
ignored because she was too busy blindly and some might say, stupidly,
following my advice to have had any time to read the backlash. She came
back to the board about a week later and expressed surprise and dismay at
all the negative commentary because it worked. Her dog was no longer
aggressive but he loved his tug toy.


Redirecting the dog sin't anything, but tug-of-war isn't a magic cure liek you
claim it to be. But it can wear some dogs out, give them something else to do
besides get frustrated. It's not a new concept that you or Kevin Behan suddenly
came up with.

I told her about my "radical" idea of using tug as a cure for aggression
and she said, "Yeah, some of the trainers I know have just started using
that." And Lauralynn can tell you (if she'll admit to it) that just two
years ago on the AOL board where she and I first "met", I got pretty much
the same reception (without the threat of violence part) for making the
same claim (among other things) there.



You got the same reception you got here. You think you have these radical new
ideas about dog training, which are neither radical or new and an ego bigger
than a mansion. Tug doesn't cure aggression, it can, for some dogs, be a great
training aide, but it doesn't magically "cure" anything.

So, are you going to go to a Suzanne Clothier seminar or read Bones Would Rain
From the Sky? Or are you still unwilling to read anything new that someone
besides Kevin wrote?




  #2398  
Old September 12th 04, 07:17 PM
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The thing is, I (finally) spoke to an expert I trust, and he told me he'd
never seen or heard of the Kong being used for training working dogs
either. He said he always used a length of PVC pipe, with a small hole
for putting the target material inside. He also said that the pipe has to
be clean of all other scents, such as the dog's saliva, etc., before
working the dog with it. But he also validated my position on fetch,
saying he thinks the game should come first, before anything else, because
it's a critical part of the learning process.

And though he's never trained any dogs for search-and-rescue, he has had
experience going on searches with S&R handlers and their dogs and has high
(though somewhat backhanded) praise for S&R trainers.


He's an expert in SAR, but he's never trained a SAR dog? Can't have it both
ways.

His other comment was an expresson of surprise at hearing that some
trainers are now using clickers to "imprint" a dog to a scent before
playing fetch, and said he thinks that's doing things "backwards", that
the prey drive should always be activated first. That's his opinion,
based on over 25 years experience in the field.


In what field? Say what you mean, you've basically talked to someone who has
similiar views as you and, like you, hasn't ever trained a SAR dog, just
observed a few.

The fact
is, what everyone else (or nearly everyone else) has been saying, at least
in terms of their opinions and beliefs about theory and practice, is just
as valid as what I'm saying, except that I truly believe (and think I've
provided enough evidence to support this) that what I'm saying is
reflective of a new paradigm.


No, what you have is jsut that theroies and beliefs. What people like Lynn have
is experience. Whole different ball game.



Among other
things, I claimed that tug-of-war can cure aggression in some dogs. In
fact, one night I suggested to a woman with an aggressive dog that she try
it, and a flurry of negative comments ensued, which she, fortunately,
ignored because she was too busy blindly and some might say, stupidly,
following my advice to have had any time to read the backlash. She came
back to the board about a week later and expressed surprise and dismay at
all the negative commentary because it worked. Her dog was no longer
aggressive but he loved his tug toy.


Redirecting the dog sin't anything, but tug-of-war isn't a magic cure liek you
claim it to be. But it can wear some dogs out, give them something else to do
besides get frustrated. It's not a new concept that you or Kevin Behan suddenly
came up with.

I told her about my "radical" idea of using tug as a cure for aggression
and she said, "Yeah, some of the trainers I know have just started using
that." And Lauralynn can tell you (if she'll admit to it) that just two
years ago on the AOL board where she and I first "met", I got pretty much
the same reception (without the threat of violence part) for making the
same claim (among other things) there.



You got the same reception you got here. You think you have these radical new
ideas about dog training, which are neither radical or new and an ego bigger
than a mansion. Tug doesn't cure aggression, it can, for some dogs, be a great
training aide, but it doesn't magically "cure" anything.

So, are you going to go to a Suzanne Clothier seminar or read Bones Would Rain
From the Sky? Or are you still unwilling to read anything new that someone
besides Kevin wrote?




  #2399  
Old September 12th 04, 07:17 PM
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The thing is, I (finally) spoke to an expert I trust, and he told me he'd
never seen or heard of the Kong being used for training working dogs
either. He said he always used a length of PVC pipe, with a small hole
for putting the target material inside. He also said that the pipe has to
be clean of all other scents, such as the dog's saliva, etc., before
working the dog with it. But he also validated my position on fetch,
saying he thinks the game should come first, before anything else, because
it's a critical part of the learning process.

And though he's never trained any dogs for search-and-rescue, he has had
experience going on searches with S&R handlers and their dogs and has high
(though somewhat backhanded) praise for S&R trainers.


He's an expert in SAR, but he's never trained a SAR dog? Can't have it both
ways.

His other comment was an expresson of surprise at hearing that some
trainers are now using clickers to "imprint" a dog to a scent before
playing fetch, and said he thinks that's doing things "backwards", that
the prey drive should always be activated first. That's his opinion,
based on over 25 years experience in the field.


In what field? Say what you mean, you've basically talked to someone who has
similiar views as you and, like you, hasn't ever trained a SAR dog, just
observed a few.

The fact
is, what everyone else (or nearly everyone else) has been saying, at least
in terms of their opinions and beliefs about theory and practice, is just
as valid as what I'm saying, except that I truly believe (and think I've
provided enough evidence to support this) that what I'm saying is
reflective of a new paradigm.


No, what you have is jsut that theroies and beliefs. What people like Lynn have
is experience. Whole different ball game.



Among other
things, I claimed that tug-of-war can cure aggression in some dogs. In
fact, one night I suggested to a woman with an aggressive dog that she try
it, and a flurry of negative comments ensued, which she, fortunately,
ignored because she was too busy blindly and some might say, stupidly,
following my advice to have had any time to read the backlash. She came
back to the board about a week later and expressed surprise and dismay at
all the negative commentary because it worked. Her dog was no longer
aggressive but he loved his tug toy.


Redirecting the dog sin't anything, but tug-of-war isn't a magic cure liek you
claim it to be. But it can wear some dogs out, give them something else to do
besides get frustrated. It's not a new concept that you or Kevin Behan suddenly
came up with.

I told her about my "radical" idea of using tug as a cure for aggression
and she said, "Yeah, some of the trainers I know have just started using
that." And Lauralynn can tell you (if she'll admit to it) that just two
years ago on the AOL board where she and I first "met", I got pretty much
the same reception (without the threat of violence part) for making the
same claim (among other things) there.



You got the same reception you got here. You think you have these radical new
ideas about dog training, which are neither radical or new and an ego bigger
than a mansion. Tug doesn't cure aggression, it can, for some dogs, be a great
training aide, but it doesn't magically "cure" anything.

So, are you going to go to a Suzanne Clothier seminar or read Bones Would Rain
From the Sky? Or are you still unwilling to read anything new that someone
besides Kevin wrote?




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Old September 12th 04, 07:17 PM
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The thing is, I (finally) spoke to an expert I trust, and he told me he'd
never seen or heard of the Kong being used for training working dogs
either. He said he always used a length of PVC pipe, with a small hole
for putting the target material inside. He also said that the pipe has to
be clean of all other scents, such as the dog's saliva, etc., before
working the dog with it. But he also validated my position on fetch,
saying he thinks the game should come first, before anything else, because
it's a critical part of the learning process.

And though he's never trained any dogs for search-and-rescue, he has had
experience going on searches with S&R handlers and their dogs and has high
(though somewhat backhanded) praise for S&R trainers.


He's an expert in SAR, but he's never trained a SAR dog? Can't have it both
ways.

His other comment was an expresson of surprise at hearing that some
trainers are now using clickers to "imprint" a dog to a scent before
playing fetch, and said he thinks that's doing things "backwards", that
the prey drive should always be activated first. That's his opinion,
based on over 25 years experience in the field.


In what field? Say what you mean, you've basically talked to someone who has
similiar views as you and, like you, hasn't ever trained a SAR dog, just
observed a few.

The fact
is, what everyone else (or nearly everyone else) has been saying, at least
in terms of their opinions and beliefs about theory and practice, is just
as valid as what I'm saying, except that I truly believe (and think I've
provided enough evidence to support this) that what I'm saying is
reflective of a new paradigm.


No, what you have is jsut that theroies and beliefs. What people like Lynn have
is experience. Whole different ball game.



Among other
things, I claimed that tug-of-war can cure aggression in some dogs. In
fact, one night I suggested to a woman with an aggressive dog that she try
it, and a flurry of negative comments ensued, which she, fortunately,
ignored because she was too busy blindly and some might say, stupidly,
following my advice to have had any time to read the backlash. She came
back to the board about a week later and expressed surprise and dismay at
all the negative commentary because it worked. Her dog was no longer
aggressive but he loved his tug toy.


Redirecting the dog sin't anything, but tug-of-war isn't a magic cure liek you
claim it to be. But it can wear some dogs out, give them something else to do
besides get frustrated. It's not a new concept that you or Kevin Behan suddenly
came up with.

I told her about my "radical" idea of using tug as a cure for aggression
and she said, "Yeah, some of the trainers I know have just started using
that." And Lauralynn can tell you (if she'll admit to it) that just two
years ago on the AOL board where she and I first "met", I got pretty much
the same reception (without the threat of violence part) for making the
same claim (among other things) there.



You got the same reception you got here. You think you have these radical new
ideas about dog training, which are neither radical or new and an ego bigger
than a mansion. Tug doesn't cure aggression, it can, for some dogs, be a great
training aide, but it doesn't magically "cure" anything.

So, are you going to go to a Suzanne Clothier seminar or read Bones Would Rain
From the Sky? Or are you still unwilling to read anything new that someone
besides Kevin wrote?




 




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