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boyfriend for pikapoo
Should I mate her with only a Pikapoo or can she mate with a different breed
of her size. Butterfly |
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:19:47 -0500 Butterfly whittled these words:
Should I mate her with only a Pikapoo or can she mate with a different breed of her size. Physically she can mate with any dog, breed doesn't matter. Obviously the dog should be close to her size. Why do you want to breed her? Dogs deserve our learning and care before we breed them. We should breed for best health. To breed for best health you must know a lot about the dog's family. And to make the best dog in temperament you must know a lot about the dog's family. What do you know about her parents and grandparents? She can be wonderful but maybe not so her family. You must know this before breeding or there may be sadness. And if you mate her without understanding her family and his family you might not get what you expect. That might be a sad thing for both the people and the puppies. And pregnancy is a big risk. She could die. I'm not sure I'd want a dog I love taking that risk. These small dogs are not natural animals. We have made it harder and more dangerous for them to give birth. -- Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/ |
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My mom neutered her dog before she ever had a litter. The dog has shown a
desire to have babies of her own which is saddening. She has even attempted kidnapping pups from neighbors.. I want to give Honey the motherhood experience before having her neutered. I understand the health risks and I know her pregnancy will have to be monitored and a cesarean will probably be necessary. Butterfly wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:19:47 -0500 Butterfly whittled these words: Should I mate her with only a Pikapoo or can she mate with a different breed of her size. Physically she can mate with any dog, breed doesn't matter. Obviously the dog should be close to her size. Why do you want to breed her? Dogs deserve our learning and care before we breed them. We should breed for best health. To breed for best health you must know a lot about the dog's family. And to make the best dog in temperament you must know a lot about the dog's family. What do you know about her parents and grandparents? She can be wonderful but maybe not so her family. You must know this before breeding or there may be sadness. And if you mate her without understanding her family and his family you might not get what you expect. That might be a sad thing for both the people and the puppies. And pregnancy is a big risk. She could die. I'm not sure I'd want a dog I love taking that risk. These small dogs are not natural animals. We have made it harder and more dangerous for them to give birth. -- Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/ |
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Butterfly wrote: I want to give Honey the motherhood experience before having her neutered. I understand the health risks and I know her pregnancy will have to be monitored and a cesarean will probably be necessary. Sounds like a divine experience. I'm sure that Honey will be ever so appreciative. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Since January 2001 the federal budget outlook for 2002-2011 has deteriorated by $8.8 trillion. |
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I don't mean to sound hostile but, really if you want the "whole experience"
of her having pups, you should. Including going down to the pound and watching her puppies being put to sleep. even when you think you have "good" homes, it doesnt work that way. the only time you should EVER consider having pups is if you wish to improve the breed. and since you dog is a mixed breed there is no way to improve on it. I recently had my 8 month old 900.00 champion sired, Mom is a dam of merit,, pointed puppy spayed. because I love her so much I wouldn't want to risk her life. wrote in message ... On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:19:47 -0500 Butterfly whittled these words: Should I mate her with only a Pikapoo or can she mate with a different breed of her size. Physically she can mate with any dog, breed doesn't matter. Obviously the dog should be close to her size. Why do you want to breed her? Dogs deserve our learning and care before we breed them. We should breed for best health. To breed for best health you must know a lot about the dog's family. And to make the best dog in temperament you must know a lot about the dog's family. What do you know about her parents and grandparents? She can be wonderful but maybe not so her family. You must know this before breeding or there may be sadness. And if you mate her without understanding her family and his family you might not get what you expect. That might be a sad thing for both the people and the puppies. And pregnancy is a big risk. She could die. I'm not sure I'd want a dog I love taking that risk. These small dogs are not natural animals. We have made it harder and more dangerous for them to give birth. -- Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/ |
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"Just Mel" wrote in message news:KcpEc.12094$Ch.1790@okepread04... I don't mean to sound hostile but, really if you want the "whole experience" of her having pups, you should. Including going down to the pound and watching her puppies being put to sleep. even when you think you have "good" homes, it doesnt work that way. the only time you should EVER consider having pups is if you wish to improve the breed. and since you dog is a mixed breed there is no way to improve on it. I recently had my 8 month old 900.00 champion sired, Mom is a dam of merit,, pointed puppy spayed. because I love her so much I wouldn't want to risk her life. Saskia, my 4 month old Dane pup, cost us 950 Euros. Her parents and grandparents have been champions, her father is currently the Dutch Grand Champion. We'll be having her spayed right after her first heat--she's a family dog. We have no wish to put her through the "motherhood experience". Almost a pity because she is such a fine example of the breed, at least as she's developing so far, but no. It's too dangerous and even when it goes well would put her through so much; the breeder will keep working on the line herself. There are littermates, and the breeder has kept her half-sister, 2 years old, and her half-brother, six months old. Saskia is a family member and we love her too much to get into that whole mess with her. --Katrina --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/04 |
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Butterfly wrote:
My mom neutered her dog before she ever had a litter. The dog has shown a desire to have babies of her own which is saddening. She has even attempted kidnapping pups from neighbors.. I also have a very maternal bitch that was spayed before having a litter. But so what? All she missed was maybe 4 or 5 weeks of having to stay in a whelping box - after that point the majority of even the most dedicated moms will do anything to get away from the little rats. It's not as though my girl is pining about having "missed" anything, and dogs that *have* had litters aren't any happier or more satisfied because of it. What you're doing is projecting your own emotions onto your dog. I want to give Honey the motherhood experience before having her neutered. I understand the health risks and I know her pregnancy will have to be monitored and a cesarean will probably be necessary. Yikes, I wish I had $2000-$3000 to drop on a project that at best will result in puppies you are lucky to place into good homes for free and at worst will result in your girl dying (you *do* realize that that's a real risk for toy breeds, right?) And then there's that 1 in 4 chance you'll be giving her for having "the breast cancer experience"... the 50% chance of "the pyometra experience" .... the mastitis experience, the previously-mentioned cesarean experience, the dead puppy experience... not things most people would wish on their dogs. Knowledgable people *know* that they're putting their girls at risk of these things by breeding them and do everything they can to reduce the risks, but sh*t still does happen. When a knowledgable breeder makes a decision to do a breeding, they are always making a choice between the potential benefits of the breeding (that is, healthy, sound puppies with good homes waiting for them) outweigh the risks of the pregnancy. But they're sure as heck not trying to fool themselves that they're doing it for their bitch's benefit. Dianne |
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I thought that waiting until after the first heat does not reduce the chance
of breast cancer in dogs. I am just curious as to why you wont get it done at 6mths, before the first heat? :0) Jade & Kelsey - about the same age as Saskia :0) "White Monkey" wrote in message ... "Just Mel" wrote in message news:KcpEc.12094$Ch.1790@okepread04... I don't mean to sound hostile but, really if you want the "whole experience" of her having pups, you should. Including going down to the pound and watching her puppies being put to sleep. even when you think you have "good" homes, it doesnt work that way. the only time you should EVER consider having pups is if you wish to improve the breed. and since you dog is a mixed breed there is no way to improve on it. I recently had my 8 month old 900.00 champion sired, Mom is a dam of merit,, pointed puppy spayed. because I love her so much I wouldn't want to risk her life. Saskia, my 4 month old Dane pup, cost us 950 Euros. Her parents and grandparents have been champions, her father is currently the Dutch Grand Champion. We'll be having her spayed right after her first heat--she's a family dog. We have no wish to put her through the "motherhood experience". Almost a pity because she is such a fine example of the breed, at least as she's developing so far, but no. It's too dangerous and even when it goes well would put her through so much; the breeder will keep working on the line herself. There are littermates, and the breeder has kept her half-sister, 2 years old, and her half-brother, six months old. Saskia is a family member and we love her too much to get into that whole mess with her. --Katrina --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/04 |
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I thought that waiting until after the first heat does not reduce the
chance of breast cancer in dogs. I am just curious as to why you wont get it done at 6mths, before the first heat? :0) Jade & Kelsey - about the same age as Saskia :0) Because my vet says that new studies are showing that the incidence of spay incontinence goes WAY down after the first heat, while breast cancer remains relatively rare. --Katrina --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.712 / Virus Database: 468 - Release Date: 6/27/04 |
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White Monkey wrote:
Because my vet says that new studies are showing that the incidence of spay incontinence goes WAY down after the first heat, while breast cancer remains relatively rare. It'd be interesting to know what studies s/he's basing that on because I try to keep an eye on the medical literature on these issues and I haven't seen any such reports. To the contrary, at least one study has shown a reduced incidence of spay incontinence in bitches spayed before the first season (1); another failed to show a significant correlation between age at spaying and the incidence of incontinence (2). And at least one study has shown an incidence of breast cancer in female dogs of over 50% (3) - not rare by any means. (Cites follow.) JFWIW, Dianne ------------------------------------------------------------------ (1) J Reprod Fertil Suppl. 2001;57:233-6. The relationship of urinary incontinence to early spaying in bitches. Stocklin-Gautschi NM, Hassig M, Reichler IM, Hubler M, Arnold S. Department of Reproduction, Veterinary Faculty of Zurich, Winterthurerstrasse 260, CH-8057 Zurich, Switzerland. It is still controversial whether a bitch should be spayed before or after the first oestrus. It would be desirable to spay bitches at an age that would minimize the side effects of neutering. With regard to the risk of mammary tumours, early spaying must be recommended because the incidence of tumours is reduced considerably. The aim of the present study was to determine whether early spaying also reduces the risk of urinary incontinence. The owners of 206 bitches that had been spayed before their first oestrus and for at least 3 years were questioned on the occurrence of urinary incontinence as a result of spaying. At the time of the enquiry the average age of the bitches was 6.5 years, and the average age at the time of surgery was 7.1 months. Urinary incontinence after spaying occurred in 9.7% of bitches. This incidence is approximately half that of spaying after the first oestrus. Urinary incontinence affected 12.5% of bitches that were of a large body weight ( 20 kg body weight) and 5.1% of bitches that were of a small body weight ( 20 kg body weight). The surgical procedure (ovariectomy versus ovariohysterectomy) had no influence on the incidence, or on the period between spaying and the occurrence of urinary incontinence. Urinary incontinence occurred on average at 2 years and 10 months after surgery and occurred each day, while the animals were awake or during sleep. However, compared with late spaying the clinical signs of urinary incontinence were more distinct after early spaying. --------------------------- (2) Small Anim Pract. 1998 Dec;39(12):559-66. Acquired urinary incontinence in bitches: its incidence and relationship to neutering practices. Thrusfield MV, Holt PE, Muirhead RH. Department of Veterinary Clinical Studies, University of Edinburgh, Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Easter Bush Veterinary Centre, Roslin, Midlothian. A five-year cohort study was conducted on bitches chosen by a sample of 233 randomly selected practising veterinary surgeons in the UK, to estimate the incidence of acquired urinary incontinence (AUI) in neutered and entire animals, and to investigate possible risk factors associated with neutering practices. Information was collected using questionnaires, and data on 809 bitches, of which 22 developed AUI, were obtained. The estimated incidence rates in neutered and entire animals were 0.0174 and 0.0022 per animal-year, respectively (95 per cent confidence intervals: 0.0110, 0.0275 and 0.0009, 0.0058, respectively). The relative risk, neutered vs entire, was 7.8 (95 per cent confidence interval: 2.6, 31.5). The attributable proportion(exposed) and population attributable proportion were 87.1 per cent and 63.1 per cent (95 per cent confidence intervals: 61.9 per cent, 95.6 per cent, and 28.3 percent, 88.5 per cent, respectively). An increased risk, significant at the conventional 5 per cent level, was not demonstrated in animals neutered before, vs after, first heat (relative risk: 3.9, 95 per cent confidence interval: 0.8, 10.4), although the result was significant at the 10 per cent level. Removal of the cervix was not shown to be a risk factor in neutered dogs. --------------------------- Reprod Fertil Suppl. 2001;57:439-43. Population-based incidence of mammary tumours in some dog breeds. Moe L. Department of Small Animal Clinical Sciences, Norwegian School of Veterinary Science, Box 8146 Dep., N-0033 Oslo, Norway. Data from two population-based studies in four Norwegian counties were used to calculate the crude incidence of mammary tumours, and the age- and breed-specific incidence of mammary tumours in female dogs of three different breeds. The largest study comprised 14401 histologically verified tumour cases from four counties covered by the Norwegian Canine Cancer Register. The registry covers about 25% of the total Norwegian dog population. The second study was a census in Norway that was sent to all owners of the following breeds: boxers, bichon frise and Bernese mountain dogs, to estimate the age distribution of the female dog population at risk of developing mammary tumours. The crude incidence of malignant mammary tumours in female dogs of any breed was 53.3%. The highest relative risk ratio of mammary tumours was found in boxers, cocker spaniels, English springer spaniels and dachshunds. The mean age of histologically diagnosed mammary tumours was 7.9 years in boxers and 7.8 years in springer spaniels, compared with 8.8 years in all other breeds. In the four Norwegian counties from 1992 to 1997, the population-based incidence rates (for all ages) of malignant mammary tumours per 1000 female dogs per year were 35.47 in boxers, 3.87 in Bernese mountain dogs and 17.69 in bichon frise. Mammary cancer is the most common tumour in female dogs in Norway, and represents a population of almost entirely reproductively intact females. The age- specific incidence rates for mammary cancer vary considerably among the three breeds that were studied in detail. |
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