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Old May 30th 12, 05:33 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On 30 mayo, 17:30, sighthounds & siberians wrote:

Ever read what happens to Spanish galgos when they're not hunting up to expectations, or their owners are done with them?


Here, owners generally have them put down by the vet, or shoot them.
Like UK racing greyhounds, they are seen as tools, and owners do not
have the sentimental attachment that they have to pet dogs. Ex hunting
dogs are also often dumped in the countryside, as Tobe was. Outsiders
sometimes believe that we in the Deep Spain are forever lynching
greyhounds for fun. It's considered barbaric, certainly in this
village. In the old days, people were more brutal, to each other, and
to dogs. Extreme poverty is brutalizing, and in the 1930s, one in four
babies died before they reached a year old in this village. Attitudes
have changed a lot in the 30 years I have known the village. There's
much less neglect of both hunting and pet dogs. Today there are some
very conscientious hunting dog owners, who take a lot of trouble to
care for their dogs, walking them twice a day outside the hunting
season (Podencos, pointers, and Brittanies are popular here as well as
greyhounds) And there are those who neglect their dogs and seem to
communicate with them mainly by kicking them. Today people here pick
up values and info from TV dog programmes, some of which come from the
States. Villagers are much more likely to criticize someone who
neglects or ill treats their dogs, sometimes to their face, and that
has some effect. What happens to hunting dogs in poor rural areas of
the US, when the dogs are not up to expectations?

Alison from the Deep Spain

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Old May 30th 12, 08:13 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On Wed, 30 May 2012 09:33:37 -0700 (PDT), canisfamiliaris
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On 30 mayo, 17:30, sighthounds & siberians wrote:

Ever read what happens to Spanish galgos when they're not hunting up to expectations, or their owners are done with them?


Here, owners generally have them put down by the vet, or shoot them.


Many are dumped in pits while still alive. It's frustrating to see US
and UK rescue groups devoting badly needed resources to Spanish
galgos.

Like UK racing greyhounds, they are seen as tools, and owners do not
have the sentimental attachment that they have to pet dogs.


It's the same with US racing greyhounds, except that dumping them is
illegal and I believe shooting them is illegal in most if not all
states.

Ex hunting
dogs are also often dumped in the countryside, as Tobe was. Outsiders
sometimes believe that we in the Deep Spain are forever lynching
greyhounds for fun. It's considered barbaric, certainly in this
village. In the old days, people were more brutal, to each other, and
to dogs. Extreme poverty is brutalizing, and in the 1930s, one in four
babies died before they reached a year old in this village. Attitudes
have changed a lot in the 30 years I have known the village. There's
much less neglect of both hunting and pet dogs. Today there are some
very conscientious hunting dog owners, who take a lot of trouble to
care for their dogs, walking them twice a day outside the hunting
season (Podencos, pointers, and Brittanies are popular here as well as
greyhounds) And there are those who neglect their dogs and seem to
communicate with them mainly by kicking them. Today people here pick
up values and info from TV dog programmes, some of which come from the
States. Villagers are much more likely to criticize someone who
neglects or ill treats their dogs, sometimes to their face, and that
has some effect. What happens to hunting dogs in poor rural areas of
the US, when the dogs are not up to expectations?


Oh, they're dumped here too. I would never say that the US is some
model of humane tratment for animals.


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Old May 31st 12, 04:27 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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sighthounds & siberians wrote:

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Ever read what happens to Spanish galgos when they're not hunting up
to expectations, or their owners are done with them?


I've heard it mostly in postings ages ago in this newgroup when it was
far more active. There seemed to be one year when the rough Spanish
equivalent of the SPCA made a big deal of it. It has never been clear to
me whether the treatment of hunting dogs (or working dogs in general) in
Spain is significantly different from their treatment in many other
countries. I am not a hunter, my immediate family are not hunters, and
my in-laws aren't hunters so I have no personal experience with it
either here or in Spain. I have had neighbors and friends that are
hunters with dogs, but for them it is a form of recreation and not a
significant supplement to their income. They treat their dogs well. But
while hunting dogs are not obviously in trouble here, every few years
the treatment of herding dogs in poorer rural parts of our state is
criticised. The people in those areas are living on the edge.

--
Bill Clodius
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Old May 31st 12, 05:43 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On Wed, 30 May 2012 21:27:49 -0600, (William
Clodius) wrote:

sighthounds & siberians wrote:

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Ever read what happens to Spanish galgos when they're not hunting up
to expectations, or their owners are done with them?


I've heard it mostly in postings ages ago in this newgroup when it was
far more active. There seemed to be one year when the rough Spanish
equivalent of the SPCA made a big deal of it. It has never been clear to
me whether the treatment of hunting dogs (or working dogs in general) in
Spain is significantly different from their treatment in many other
countries. I am not a hunter, my immediate family are not hunters, and
my in-laws aren't hunters so I have no personal experience with it
either here or in Spain. I have had neighbors and friends that are
hunters with dogs, but for them it is a form of recreation and not a
significant supplement to their income. They treat their dogs well. But
while hunting dogs are not obviously in trouble here, every few years
the treatment of herding dogs in poorer rural parts of our state is
criticised. The people in those areas are living on the edge.


It may be that the treatment of hunting dogs, specifically galgos, is
no different in Spain than in many other places, but that the
difference is greyhound advocates exist to publicize what happens to
many galgos. There is often a lack of understanding among animal
advocates that when people live on the edge of poverty, their dogs
don't get treated like royalty. One greyhound group I know of did
'get it' - when they went to Mexico to get dogs from the track to
bring back for adoption, they took along donations of clothes, etc.
for the track employees and their families.


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Old May 31st 12, 08:00 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Back to SA briefly. SA is not the same as boredom and lack of exercise,
or to confinement indoors (crating, or in a specific room) when theowner
is at home...... It is specific to the absence of the owner from the
dwelling. Some of the results of boredom can be the same as for SA, but
the management is different.

Oh, god.... Here in the Deep South of the US, treatment of dogs ranges
from very good to horrid. The hunter-owner with at least upper income
blue-collar and mid-level middle class do a pretty good job. But most
of the hunting dogs are retrievers and pointers, with some feists and
other working terriers for squirrels, Beagles for rabbits.....
Coonhounds for treeing raccons, not so much for "harvesting" them. Some
do get turned loose if they don't meet owner expectations, but today,
more of these dogs are dumped at a shelter or sold or given away. It's
the dogs that get lost from the coonhound pack that are sometimes
deserted. Laws giving farmers permission to shoot looses dogs that
"run" or kill livestock have reduced the dumping of hunting dogs. It's
the stupid town/city dwellers who dump their dogs in the country.... or
in town.... when they don't want them anymore....... ARGH!

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia, USA

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Old June 1st 12, 11:13 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On 31 mayo, 09:00, (Jo Wolf) wrote:
''Back to SA briefly. SA is not the same as boredom and lack of exercise, or to confinement indoors (crating, or in a specific room) when the owner is at home...... It is specific to the absence of the owner from the dwelling. Some of the results of boredom can be the same as for SA, but the management is different (...)''.


Yup, that is what SA is meant to be about, tho' I think you could also
say a dog is showing SA when it panics when owner is in same dwelling,
but dog can't get access to the owner. Trouble is, barking and
trashing the house out of boredom or lack of exercise or structure may
be interpreted as symptoms of SA, after all we can only give an
intelligent guess at what is going on in the dog's head. How is the
management different? Anxiety from all sources tends to be reduced
when humans and dogs have something interesting to do, so prob
alleviating boredom with stuffed kongs etc will also help with SA.
Also exercise releases feelgood chemicals, which helps to calm dogs as
much as psychoactive drugs. And is good for owners ... How often do
you find dogs with SA that have enough exercise and interesting things
to do?

Ex-rescue or shelter dogs are often reported with SA. Maybe one reason
is that because they often move from a highly structured day to one
where nothing is happening for long periods. So new owners taking a
week off work to get the dog gradually used to the new regime might
help.

SA by your definition is found in dogs left alone inside a dwelling
for long periods. That's one reason why dogs here are not diagnosed
with it, ie dogs here tend not to be left alone inside human dwellings
for long periods. It's usually just smallish dogs that get a lot of
fuss from their stay at home owners who are allowed inside the house.
Like Jerry, a Maltese, who used to get special meals cooked for him by
his doting owner, until the vet became alarmed at how fat he was
getting. Or Odin, a yellow mutt who snuggled in his owner's bed on
cold winter nights, was fed scraps by customers at the owner's bar,
and lived to be 16. Pet dog culture is changing here. More people have
purebred dogs these days, and expensive dogs aren't allowed off-leash
unattended, because they are likely to get stolen fast. Also houses
are more likely to be empty most of the day, but that has meant fewer
dogs, rather than more shut in at home-alone dogs. If I had to choose
a dog's life, being an old-style Spanish village pet dog wasn't a bad
life. Security of being able to eat, being able to go round the
village or farmland with the owner, plus plenty of freedom for small
solo trips.

I asked Odin's owner a while back about why people used to hang
greyhounds. She said it was sometimes because they were so poor they
didn't want to waste a bullet that could be used to provide a family
with supper. Men cared about their mules, which kept them alive
through the work they did, and mules were not easy to replace. But
they didn't care so much about hunting dogs, which were easy to find.
Podencos are probably the most taken-for-granted hunting dog here,
like greyhounds classed as sighthounds, tho' they can retrieve. IŽ've
seen very well cared for podencos, and some that were emaciated and
tick-ridden. Expensive pure-breds like Brittanies tend to be better
cared for, and those that are gunshy are seen as suitable for pet
owners - they are small enough to be house dogs, and the ones here
have nice temperaments.


Alison, Central Spain
 




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