expectations

In article ,
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
That last crack, though, always pisses me off, no matter how many
times I hear it.

Well, I admire the crap out of people in rescue who have to
put up with crap like that and still keep going.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

This family had done no reading or
research about greyhounds whatsoever and she didn't think they could
attend a meet & greet because her husband found them frightening.

Do I read this right? They wanted to adopt the greyhound but the husband
found them (greyhounds) frightening? I'm hoping something's been lost in
the snippage and translation. Why would you want to adopt a breed you found
frightening?
It doesn't sound like a good fit for the dog.

Sue and Atty

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:04:49 GMT, "Sue and Atty"
wrote:


This family had done no reading or
research about greyhounds whatsoever and she didn't think they could
attend a meet & greet because her husband found them frightening.

Do I read this right? They wanted to adopt the greyhound but the husband
found them (greyhounds) frightening? I'm hoping something's been lost in
the snippage and translation. Why would you want to adopt a breed you found
frightening?

Sorry. He found meet & greets frightening. Who knows, he might find
greyhounds frightening too, but if he doesn't go to a meet & greet how
will he know?

It doesn't sound like a good fit for the dog.

I don't think they're a good fit for the dog they have now. She
thinks they're good dog owners/parents because they don't raise their
voices at their dog/kids. I don't think that responding to a dog's
fear of car rides by never taking the dog to the vet exemplifies
responsible dog ownership. With people who would work with the dog to
overcome fears and encourage confidence, he might be a very different
dog. But hey, what do I know about fearful dogs.

Mustang Sally

Sue and Atty

On 15 Feb 2008 11:38:20 -0500, (Melinda Shore) wrote:

In article ,
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
That last crack, though, always pisses me off, no matter how many
times I hear it.

Well, I admire the crap out of people in rescue who have to
put up with crap like that and still keep going.

Aside from occasional inconveniences like blowout diarrhea, noise (you
think greyhounds don't bark, come to my house), and really early
morning dog pickups, it's definitely the people who make rescue tough
work.

Puppy report: at 7 months old, puppy license is still valid, even
with cranky adult dogs.

Mustang Sally

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:52:44 -0500, montana wildhack
wrote:

On 2008-02-15 10:54:28 -0500, sighthounds & siberians said:

how were they
supposed to know they were "breaking the law"? I suggested
socialization to get the dog used to car rides and they said they are
NOT going to subject him to that. This family had done no reading or
research about greyhounds whatsoever and she didn't think they could
attend a meet & greet because her husband found them frightening.

She finished, of course, by saying she felt sorry for the greyhound
that was not going to live with them because they're a great home, and
her coup de grace: one more dog was going to be put down because they
weren't good enough for me.

Feh. People can be incredibly unique and special.

Oh yes, quite special.

Mustang Sally

"diddy" none wrote in message
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There was a young Golden Retriever that created havoc the moment he walked
into the building. What an idiot!
He drove me nuts.

His idiocy never stopped, until my friend pulled him out as a demo dog.

As soon as she took the leash, she gave no corrections, talked softly, and
asked him to do an exercise. His attitude transformed. He was immediately
soft and supple, His obedience and attention were picture perfect. He was
on a loose leash, She handed back the dog to it's owner, and the dog made
a
MR HYDE transformation with the leash transfer.


Sounds a bit like Cesar Millan. I think you are right diddy,
*expectations*, or the way I think of it, the attitude of the person
handling the leash. Meaning, a person conveys through their own body
language, their attitude, no-nonsense approach, etc. I admit, I do like
your word, 'expectations' the best. Thanks for sharing it.


td

On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:21:50 -0500, montana wildhack
wrote:

On 2008-02-15 12:16:33 -0500, sighthounds & siberians said:

I don't think that responding to a dog's
fear of car rides by never taking the dog to the vet exemplifies
responsible dog ownership.

Hmmm. Yeah, that whole avoidance thing would have been a great idea
with Beanie. She was busy vomiting every time she rode in the car to
the vet. Thankfully, she automagically got over it because we didn't
think we had a choice about taking her. How were we to know we didn't
have to do anything?

Well, it's clear that you are not a loving dog owner, the way you
subjected her to further discomfort by taking her to the vet.

This woman had a perfect plan for her dog's vet needs, now that her
niece has moved to another state - there's a vet within walking
distance. (So why weren't they taking him there for the past 5
years?) I pointed out that the dog might have an injury or illness
that would prevent him from walking to the vet, or require a
specialist...what then?

People!

Mustang Sally

"diddy" none wrote in message
. ..


I think it was because my friend EXPECTED success. The owner expected
chaos. The dog lived up to expectations of both handlers.

I think expectations have a lot to do with successful dog training. I
think
it's that expectation that makes the magical property between success and
failure. If you don't expect high achievements, you will never get them.


In puppy and beginner class we taught our students to praise their dogs
wildly in a high pitched voice and jump up and down and cheer. at some
point I realized how counterproductive this was to many dogs. Most dogs
respond in kind to jumping up and down and high pitched wild praise. I'm
willing to bet that the owner was jumping up and down and saying YAY every
time the dog performed. But your friend with her calm demeanor and quiet
voice was not only calming but seemed like someone that needed to be
listened to. She seemed like a leader.

"Sue and Atty" wrote in message
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"diddy" none wrote in message
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What that magic is, I think is simply expectations.

And apparently our police dapartment has that magic! Honest to goodness,
this was in the police reports in our local paper yesterday.

"Animal complaint

At 11 p.m. Tuesday, police responded to the 2200 block of Oak St. to
assist the homeowner get her poodle back inside the house. The poodle was
attempting to make friends with an opossum that was in the back yard and
would not listen to the complainant. The responding officer went into the
back yard and advised the poodle to get in the house, at which time it
left the opossum and went for the back door. The complainant gained
control of the poodle and thanked the officer."


ROFLMAO.

"Beth In Alaska" spoke these words of
wisdom in :


"diddy" none wrote in message
. ..


I think it was because my friend EXPECTED success. The owner expected
chaos. The dog lived up to expectations of both handlers.

I think expectations have a lot to do with successful dog training. I
think
it's that expectation that makes the magical property between success
and
failure. If you don't expect high achievements, you will never get
them.


In puppy and beginner class we taught our students to praise their dogs
wildly in a high pitched voice and jump up and down and cheer. at some
point I realized how counterproductive this was to many dogs. Most dogs
respond in kind to jumping up and down and high pitched wild praise. I'm
willing to bet that the owner was jumping up and down and saying YAY
every
time the dog performed.


Actually no. The guy hung on to the leash while the dog lunged and barked,
and acted like a regular heathen and did absolutely nothing to stop it.

He went through the motions, got nothing from the concept of praise or
correct.

It was the owner. No input/output, and expected the dog to voluntarily and
passively behave.

But your friend with her calm demeanor and quiet
voice was not only calming but seemed like someone that needed to be
listened to. She seemed like a leader.

she "IS" a leader.