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New mousetrap is Muttley's oyster
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Janet Boss wrote: That's what bugs me too. I don't understand letting cats roam either though. I don't either. But I *really* don't understand failing to learn from an awful experience. You know: "Geeze, that sucked and I feel awful about it. I'll never let that happen again." Nope, Paul privileges weird, distorted nostalgia over keeping his pets safe. Paul seems to think that he's being picked on by big meanies pretty much at random, but it's crap like this that makes him a magnet for criticism. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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"Shelly" wrote in message ... (the)duckster wrote: How do you think you two would get along with a cat? I believe that Muttley's history with cats is Not Good. Um, well.... neither is Paul's, according to his posts. I think it's desert people who do that with Afghans and rabbits. I somehow don't think that coursing is quite the same thing as catching mice. Nor do I - and I have dogs who have actually caught both rabbits and mice. The skill set is quite different. |
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"Paul E. Schoen" wrote: On one particular night, I had been working very late, while Photon was outside, and I was just about asleep, when I thought I heard some sounds that might have been her wanting to come in. Sometimes I had found that this was not the case, and it was a nice evening in October. This is what your post at the time stated: "In recent weeks, Photon seemed more and more anxious to come inside... Last night, I thought I heard her crying to come in, but it was late, I was tired, and I did not want to deal with making sure Muttley was out of the way and safe. The night was not too cold, and I was going to take care of her in the morning." I'm not sure what your definition of "not too cold" and "nice evening" is, but the temperatures that week were in the 30s at night, and it was windy - here's what Frank Roylance at the Sun had to say about the weather at the time: October 24, 2006 Snow in the mountains It's a chill wind blowing out there today. We've been averaging 6 or 7 mph here at The Sun in the past few hours, with gusts to 23 mph and temperatures only in the upper 40s (that's 15 degrees below average for the date). But, at least for Maryland, this wind has been free of the lake-effect snow that points west and north have been reporting. October 23, 2006 ....nights in the 30s until Thursday - about 5 to 10 degrees below the long-term average for this time of year. Late Thursday into Friday the rain chances rebound. In the meantime, counter-clockwise circulation around a deep low to our north will bring stiff winds from the west. We could see gusts to 30 mph today. |
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"sionnach" wrote in message ... "Paul E. Schoen" wrote: On one particular night, I had been working very late, while Photon was outside, and I was just about asleep, when I thought I heard some sounds that might have been her wanting to come in. Sometimes I had found that this was not the case, and it was a nice evening in October. This is what your post at the time stated: "In recent weeks, Photon seemed more and more anxious to come inside... Last night, I thought I heard her crying to come in, but it was late, I was tired, and I did not want to deal with making sure Muttley was out of the way and safe. The night was not too cold, and I was going to take care of her in the morning." I'm not sure what your definition of "not too cold" and "nice evening" is, but the temperatures that week were in the 30s at night, and it was windy - here's what Frank Roylance at the Sun had to say about the weather at the time: October 24, 2006 Snow in the mountains It's a chill wind blowing out there today. We've been averaging 6 or 7 mph here at The Sun in the past few hours, with gusts to 23 mph and temperatures only in the upper 40s (that's 15 degrees below average for the date). But, at least for Maryland, this wind has been free of the lake-effect snow that points west and north have been reporting. October 23, 2006 ...nights in the 30s until Thursday - about 5 to 10 degrees below the long-term average for this time of year. Late Thursday into Friday the rain chances rebound. In the meantime, counter-clockwise circulation around a deep low to our north will bring stiff winds from the west. We could see gusts to 30 mph today. So, what about the night of the 22nd? That is when this happened. You have really gone to a lot of trouble just to try to make me seem to be such a monster. She often spent much colder nights outside, and it's not all that warm and cozy in the crawlspace where she would have most likely gone. Why don't we just drop this whole thing and move on? Paul and Muttley |
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"Paul E. Schoen" wrote: She often spent much colder nights outside, and it's not all that warm and cozy in the crawlspace where she would have most likely gone. Doesn't that sound lovely and caring! -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message ... "(the)duckster" wrote in message news:yRAuj.4354$0%3.2316@trnddc06... "Janet Boss" wrote in message ... In article NJAuj.4352$0%3.1857@trnddc06, "\(the\)duckster" wrote: How do you think you two would get along with a cat? Paul's cat met it's demise because Paul wouldn't get out of bed to let her in at night. Let's not suggest he get another. Oh, bad idea. Thank you for bringing me up to speed. Kind regards, (the)duckster Of course, Janet will make it sound like it's all my fault, just to try to make me feel worse than I already do. Let me try to explain in more detail. My cat Photon was an indoor/outdoor cat who alternated between staying outside or inside, and sometimes she would let me know by scratching at the door, meowing, or in other ways. When I got Muttley, he was cat aggressive, and I had to keep them separated. When she was inside, she would hide in the crawl space under the floor, except for times when I had Muttley tethered outside or contained in another part of the house. I was making some progress in socializing them, and I was able to hold her while Muttley watched from the other side of a screen door. On one particular night, I had been working very late, while Photon was outside, and I was just about asleep, when I thought I heard some sounds that might have been her wanting to come in. Sometimes I had found that this was not the case, and it was a nice evening in October. She had food and water outside, and if she came in I would have had to tie Muttley outside, or else she would just run under the floor, while he would get excited and stare at the hole where she went. Even so, if I had heard continued or more urgent sounds, certainly I would have taken these precautions and let her in. But I heard nothing more, and went to sleep. I probably should not have even mentioned this insignificant detail, because those who have an agenda to discredit me or make me into a monster can and have used this as ammunition. The next day when I went outside, I expected to see her crawl out of the bushes or wherever it was that she usually spent the night. I called and there was no response. But that was also not unusual. Sometimes she would be gone for a day or longer, and meet me when I got home at night. Sometimes I knew she was probably crossing the road because I would hear cars slow down and honk their horns just before she would appear on the porch. At night, sometimes I would see her in the road and call to her and try to make her realize the danger. She had a sense of the danger and would quickly run to safety when she heard a car whizzing by. But I had a sense of dread that morning. Later, as I started off to go to work, I saw her lifeless body by the side of the road against a loose rock wall. So, I brought her remains back to the house, let Muttley sniff her one last time, wrapped her in an old shirt, and buried her under a white pine tree up on the hill where sometimes she would play. Now, Janet et al, please leave this alone. All of us here have tragedies that we have shared, and nobody wants to be reminded of any possibility that their actions may have contributed to the injury or demise of a beloved pet. If you can't do this, it seriously reflects on a viscious side of your character that should be addressed. Paul and Muttley (and the spirit of Photon, RIP) Whatever the circumstances, I am always sorry to hear the loss of someone's pet. FWIW, I had my beloved border collie/shepherd mix drown in a pool accident last summer while I was gone with my daughter at her weekly riding lesson. I fished her out myself. It was truly awful. She was nineteen, certainly had a good life, but my husband remains guilt ridden to this day. But on a happy note, I was so pleased to read the story of Boris and Mama. They are home in Michigan, arrived from Iraq. It's a very heartwarming tale. Kind regards, (the)duckster |
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"(the)duckster" wrote in message news:hXLuj.5278$kD3.3581@trnddc08... Whatever the circumstances, I am always sorry to hear the loss of someone's pet. FWIW, I had my beloved border collie/shepherd mix drown in a pool accident last summer while I was gone with my daughter at her weekly riding lesson. I fished her out myself. It was truly awful. She was nineteen, certainly had a good life, but my husband remains guilt ridden to this day. But on a happy note, I was so pleased to read the story of Boris and Mama. They are home in Michigan, arrived from Iraq. It's a very heartwarming tale. Kind regards, (the)duckster I am sorry to hear of your dog's accident, and I hope your husband does not let his feelings of guilt diminish his enjoyment of life and ability to move on. We all make decisions that we may later regret, or think we might have been able to do something differently, but we should find comfort in the fact that we have done the best we could given the situation at the time. We are constantly learning, and we can be so obsessed with caution that we never really do anything meaningful in life. Thanks for understanding. I have always given lots of love to my animals, and also a good bit of freedom, which comes at the price of some risk. There was really no way for me to have kept Photon always indoors and safe from harm. There have been many times that I had to go in and out the door with arms full of firewood or groceries or tools or whatever, and I would have had to lock her in a room or a crate while I did so. And she was very adept at taking any opportunity to slip out, when I tried to keep her in. It was very nice to be able to walk around my land with her following me or going ahead, climbing up into trees and exploring the environment. It would be wonderful to be able to do that with Muttley, but the very real dangers of the road, as well as liability and leash laws, do not allow me that experience. But he does have free roam of the house, and has done very well about keeping out of trouble. Yes, the loss of a pet is devastating, and it is unfair and immature for anyone to keep bringing up the incident in a hurtful manner. I know usenet is open for anyone to say what they want, and it is one thing for relatively anonymous regulars to lash out at others, but Janet knows me and Muttley personally, so her insults are at another level. It also seems that her behavior is not very professional, and she was my trainer for Muttley. Paul and Muttley |
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New mousetrap is Muttley's oyster
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Paul E. Schoen wrote: We are constantly learning, "We?" and we can be so obsessed with caution that we never really do anything meaningful in life. I'm unclear on how putting your dog at considerable risk in order to indulge nostalgia about times that never were is "meaningful." Reasoning about risk involves thinking about both costs and benefits. I think the main thing we've learned from your posts is that you go to extraordinary lengths to avoid doing anything that looks like work. There have been many times that I had to go in and out the door with arms full of firewood or groceries or tools or whatever, and I would have had to lock her in a room or a crate while I did so. Hey, Paul - train your ****ing animals and learn to use your klutzy, inept body . Do you really think you're the only person who goes in and out of doors with their arms full? It also seems that her behavior is not very professional, and she was my trainer for Muttley. No, you're your trainer for Muttley. (Or not.) -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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sionnach wrote:
Um, well.... neither is Paul's, according to his posts. I realize that now. I have periodically plonked Paul, so I missed how Photon died. Nor do I - and I have dogs who have actually caught both rabbits and mice. The skill set is quite different. Ditto and agreed. -- Shelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) |
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sionnach wrote:
I'm not sure what your definition of "not too cold" and "nice evening" is, but the temperatures that week were in the 30s at night, and it was windy - here's what Frank Roylance at the Sun had to say about the weather at the time: JFWIW, Weather Underground has historical weather data, in case you want a quick way to look up temperatures, precipitation, etc. for particular dates. -- Shelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) |
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