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Old May 23rd 09, 06:42 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
chardonnay9
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Canine Health Concern was formed in 1994 by Catherine O'Driscoll, after
two of her beautiful young Golden Retrievers - Oliver and Prudence -
tragically died. She asked, 'why?', and the answers that came back were
sufficiently disturbing to make her feel that independent research was
necessary - free from commercial bias. Catherine was sent scientific
papers which told her that commercial pet food was nutritionally
inadequate, and that many deficiency diseases are the direct result of
poor feeding. She also learnt that the annual shots we give to our pets
each year, in the belief that we are protecting them from disease, are
actually the largest cause of ill health in our pets today.

http://www.canine-health-concern.org.uk/

CHC advocates real food for dogs. That is, food that Mother Nature has
designed, over millions of years, and which has made the species thrive
for millions of years. Members of CHC who have reverted to a
CHC-recommended natural diet have seen illnesses disappear and vet bills
plummet. Our diet survey showed an 85 per cent drop in the number of
veterinary visits once dogs were changed to real food.
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Old May 23rd 09, 06:46 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
CHC advocates real food for dogs. That is, food that Mother Nature has
designed, over millions of years, and which has made the species thrive
for millions of years.


Not to throw some facts into the mix, but dogs date back
about 15,000 years, not "millions."

Carry on making **** up.
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Old May 23rd 09, 06:52 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
sighthounds & siberians
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On Sat, 23 May 2009 13:42:08 -0400, chardonnay9
wrote:

Canine Health Concern was formed in 1994 by Catherine O'Driscoll, after
two of her beautiful young Golden Retrievers - Oliver and Prudence -
tragically died. She asked, 'why?', and the answers that came back were
sufficiently disturbing to make her feel that independent research was
necessary - free from commercial bias. Catherine was sent scientific
papers which told her that commercial pet food was nutritionally
inadequate, and that many deficiency diseases are the direct result of
poor feeding. She also learnt that the annual shots we give to our pets
each year, in the belief that we are protecting them from disease, are
actually the largest cause of ill health in our pets today.

http://www.canine-health-concern.org.uk/

CHC advocates real food for dogs. That is, food that Mother Nature has
designed, over millions of years, and which has made the species thrive
for millions of years. Members of CHC who have reverted to a
CHC-recommended natural diet have seen illnesses disappear and vet bills
plummet. Our diet survey showed an 85 per cent drop in the number of
veterinary visits once dogs were changed to real food.


I know this will come as a real shock, but the above are not Chard's
words; they're a quote from the web site.

I wonder what the beautiful young Golden Retrievers tragically died
from.

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Old May 23rd 09, 06:55 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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sighthounds & siberians wrote:
I know this will come as a real shock, but the above are not Chard's
words; they're a quote from the web site.


But c'mon - isn't it AWESOME that Catherine was sent
scintific papers? That means that you know it's all
TRUE!!!!!!!!
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Old May 23rd 09, 08:35 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
chardonnay9
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
CHC advocates real food for dogs. That is, food that Mother Nature has
designed, over millions of years, and which has made the species thrive
for millions of years.


Not to throw some facts into the mix, but dogs date back
about 15,000 years, not "millions."

Carry on making **** up.


"Dogs have been around for millions of years. The fossil record shows
three main groups of dogs.
Hesperocyon (small and weasel-like) is one of the first branches in the
canid family tree.

The first group evolved in North America about 40 million years ago.
Fossil evidence tells us that these first dogs looked like a cross
between a weasel and fox. The name Hesperocyon (hess pur oh SYE on)
means "western dog." The hesperocyonines became extinct about 15 million
years ago.
Epicyon haydeni, a borophagine who lived 10 to 5 million years ago, was
the largest canid ever.

The second group, the borophagines (bohr oh FAY jeens), began
flourishing about 34 million years ago and were larger hyena-like
animals with huge jaw muscles and sturdy teeth. They became extinct
about 2.5 million years ago.
Canis dirus, the dire wolf, was larger and more robust than today's
wolves. It became extinct very recently, only about 10,000 years ago.

The third group, the canines (KAY nines), includes the extinct dire wolf
and all living species of canines. This group occurred only in North
America until about 7 million years ago, when some species crossed a
land bridge to Asia."

Natural History Museum
http://www.nhm.org/exhibitions/dogs/...evolution.html


Facts???
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Old May 23rd 09, 08:39 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
chardonnay9
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
CHC advocates real food for dogs. That is, food that Mother Nature has
designed, over millions of years, and which has made the species thrive
for millions of years.


Not to throw some facts into the mix, but dogs date back
about 15,000 years, not "millions."

Carry on making **** up.


"Darwin was wrong about dogs. He thought their remarkable diversity must
reflect interbreeding with several types of wild dogs. But the DNA
findings say differently. All modern dogs are descendants of wolves,
though this domestication may have happened twice, producing groups of
dogs descended from two unique common ancestors.

How and when this domestication happened has been a matter of
speculation. It was thought until very recently that dogs were wild
until about 12,000 years ago. But DNA analysis published in 1997
suggests a date of about 130,000 years ago for the transformation of
wolves to dogs. This means that wolves began to adapt to human society
long before humans settled down and began practicing agriculture.

This earlier timing casts doubt on the long-held myth that humans
domesticated dogs to serve as guards or companions to assist them.
Rather, say some experts, dogs may have exploited a niche they
discovered in early human society and got humans to take them in out of
the cold."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/li.../l_015_02.html

Facts???
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Old May 23rd 09, 08:42 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
"Dogs have been around for millions of years."


Hey, dumbass - that's the canid family. Maybe you can't
differentiate among wolves, foxes, coyotes, dingos, jackals,
and domesticated dogs, but that doesn't mean there's no
distinction. Sheds an interesting light on your dog
training practices in any event. "Of *course* they behave
like hyenas! That's the way nature wants it."

So what's the deal - do you just do a web search and cut-and-
paste the first thing you come across whether it's relevant
or not? Do you think this is going to convince anybody who
reads for content?
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Old May 23rd 09, 08:44 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Tara Green
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chardonnay9 wrote:
Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
CHC advocates real food for dogs. That is, food that Mother Nature
has designed, over millions of years, and which has made the species
thrive for millions of years.


Not to throw some facts into the mix, but dogs date back
about 15,000 years, not "millions."
Carry on making **** up.


"Darwin was wrong about dogs. He thought their remarkable diversity must
reflect interbreeding with several types of wild dogs. But the DNA
findings say differently. All modern dogs are descendants of wolves,
though this domestication may have happened twice, producing groups of
dogs descended from two unique common ancestors.

How and when this domestication happened has been a matter of
speculation. It was thought until very recently that dogs were wild
until about 12,000 years ago. But DNA analysis published in 1997
suggests a date of about 130,000 years ago for the transformation of
wolves to dogs. This means that wolves began to adapt to human society
long before humans settled down and began practicing agriculture.

This earlier timing casts doubt on the long-held myth that humans
domesticated dogs to serve as guards or companions to assist them.
Rather, say some experts, dogs may have exploited a niche they
discovered in early human society and got humans to take them in out of
the cold."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/li.../l_015_02.html

Facts???



Hey! This means they haven't eaten a pure
Wolf Diet in a LOT loner than many people think!

(Good lord, was this supposed to be new info?)
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Old May 23rd 09, 08:50 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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Default Canine Health Concern

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
But DNA analysis published in 1997
suggests a date of about 130,000 years ago for the transformation of
wolves to dogs.


Millions of years, 130,000 years - only a nit-picker who's
OUT TO GET YOU would notice the difference.
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Old May 23rd 09, 09:55 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Paul E. Schoen
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
...
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
But DNA analysis published in 1997
suggests a date of about 130,000 years ago for the transformation of
wolves to dogs.


Millions of years, 130,000 years - only a nit-picker who's
OUT TO GET YOU would notice the difference.


Typically and predictably, Melinda, it is you who picks nits in your effort
to belittle anything Chard has to say. The point is that dogs and other
canids have been eating a natural and raw diet for most of their history,
while processed foods and vaccinations and neutering surgery are relatively
recent. It is much the same for humans, and many of our diseases can be
traced to our diet and other lifestyle choices.

I personally don't think kibble is all that bad, for most dogs, and I don't
think there is all that much difference in quality and nutrition between
plain old Purina and most of the high price brands. But I also feel good
about giving Muttley raw beef hearts and marrow bones, as well as some
human food. He seems to thrive on almost anything. I believe that is
largely due to the fact that he is not unduly stressed and he is happy and
relaxed.

Paul and Muttley


 




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