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This is a list of acceptable dog foods from another forum it was compiled by a canine nutritionist.
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Hope it helps you (1) PUPPIES - Blue Buffalo, Chicken Soup, Drs. Foster and Smith, Healthwise, Royal Canin Natural Health Puppy, Avoderm, Solid Gold Wolfcub (large breeds), Solid Gold Hundchen Flocken (2) ADULT MAINTENANCE - Eagle Pack Holistic, Wellness Super5, Solid Gold Mmillennia Beef & Barley, Solid Gold Wolfking (Large breed), Innova, AvoDerm Specialty Oven Baked, Natural Balance Ultra, Canidae, Life's Abundance (3) PERFORMANCE DOGS - Natural Balance Ultra, Canidae, Innova, Caribou Creek Gold (4) GERIATRIC DOGS - Wellness Super5 Senior, Avoderm Senior, Canidae Platinum (5) ALLERGIC DOGS - Wellness Fish and Sweet Potato, California Natural, Natural Balance Venison & Brown Rice, Natural Balance Vegetarian, Pinnacle Trout and Sweet Potato (BUT it really depends on what the dog is allergic to!!) (6) DOGS WITH SENSITIVE STOMACHS Spectrum Organic, California Natural (This is a difficult category to recommend for because it really depends on what type of condition is causing the sensitive stomach. Most chicken and rice foods would work for this category because they are easily digestible but not if the dog can't tolerate chicken and rice.) If you need an OK food at an affordable price, Nutro's Natural Choice is about as good as you're going to get for the price. They also have a new formula out called Ultra, but it's really expensive and the ingredients are better than their other formulas, but it's well over $1.00 a pound and I just don't know if it's worth that kind of money. Wysong Anergen, Synorgon and Archetype are also better than average foods. Their Tundra Turkey is a raw frozen diet that has outstanding ingredients. They are also some of the most expensive foods on the market and only available through distributors. Steve's Real Food for dogs and cats is also exceptional. He has a variety of products including frozen and freeze dried forms, and all are the best available. Also only available through distributors. Breeder's Choice also has a product called Perfect Servings frozen chicken and beef dinners that are frozen raw diets. I'm sure there would be additions and subtractions down the road and the important thing to remember is just because one formula is good by a particular company does not mean ALL of their formulas are good. I was also trying to go with formulas that I suspect are in the area Renee is in. I don't fall into the belief that large breeds and small breeds necessarily need separate formulas. Separate size foods sure, but not necessarily formulas. I also don't push the large breed puppy foods for dogs like Goldens. In my opinion, you really don't need a large breed puppy unless you're talking over 90 pounds, not the 65 pounds they say on the bag. It is also important to remember that all dogs are individuals and what is the best thing in the world for one will be a disaster for others. Nutrition is such a difficult topic because of all the misinformation and marketing that happens in a multi-million dollar business. It's also difficult to keep up on the latest findings and on how much we truly don't know about our own nutrition, let alone another species'. __________________ |
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"Steve Crane" wrote in message ups.com... .. Perdue maintains a databse of animal presented to 23 veterinary school aroudn the country and the age upon death can be gleaned from that, but the data only goes back about fifteen years, not long enough I think. ........really? The chicken king worries about longevity in dogs? buglady take out the dog before replying |
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shelly wrote: on 2005-05-24 at 09:24 wrote: i suspect it's more that preventative medicine has become more important. growing up, we didn't take pets to the vet, period. later, we'd take them for vaccines and for emergency care, but preventative care, health testing, and longevity weren't addressed. Agreed - I believe there are three major changes, overall veterinary care is substantially different than it was even 20 years ago. An excellent example is veterinary dentistry. In the entire Pacific Northwest there was only one guy doing real veterinary dentistry in the mid 80's. I spent a couple days there back in the 80's learning how to do root canals in dogs. Today - there are very few veterinary clinics that are not doing a lot of dentistry. Vaccines have radically changed the reasons pets died since the 1950's. We don't see distemper anymore in this country. If you wander around many third world countries you find it everywhere. Lastly the value we place on pets has radically changed since the 50's. They are now part of the family and given far better care than they ever received before. Couple those things with much better nutrition today than what was generally produced in the 1950's and the results are a population of dogs and cats living longer than they did in the 50's. Every major veterinary group around the world has commented on the extended aging of cats and dogs. i don't doubt it. however, i'd personally like to see some sort of evidence. So would I, very much so. Unfortunately there just isn't any reliable data that we can draw from. AKC's records don't include age at death, nor any way to extract that, even if they could find them. Been there tried that, didn't get a T-shirt. not nearly long enough. maybe it's one of those things that can never be proved one way or the other. if that's the case, i really wish people would stop stating it as fact when it's actually nothing more than an assumption. I do think this is a very safe assumption. You will hardly find a veterinarian anywhere who will not readily agree that dogs and cats are living far longer than they did previously. If you talk to vets who have been in practice over 20 years, the answer will overwhelmingly be yes. Again, that is of course, only anecdotal evidence, but that appears to be all we have to work with. |
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buglady wrote: "Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article , Rene wrote: I can tell you how many calories each consumes per day, how much protein, how much fat, how much of various nutrients and micronutrients, and so on. ............no you can't. Go read that bag again. The guaranteed analysis is for minimums. At no point can a commercial pet food company tell you what the _exact_ levels of nutrients are. Oh nonsense, regarding the vast majority of nutrients any company can provide that data - and to a degree far beyond any meaningful difference. The more important question is why some companies refuse to provide that data to consumers. |
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Debbie S wrote: I _can say, after playing on the USDA nutrient database site, that it appears all vitamin C is removed by cooking, as is Lycopene. Many other vitamins are reduced, some a little, some a lot. I didn't check every single vit/mineral, and I only checked one food, beef heart. It would be an exercise in futility to check the USDA site for items commonly fed with bone, since none of their calculations take into consideration the consumption of bone. That's going to throw off protein levels, mineral levels, vitamin levels, and fat levels. Lots of nutrients are affected by processing, nothing new there. The rate of decline of any nutrient has been graphed since the 50's on a scale of time and temperature. Vitamin C is a good example. Everybody knows exactly how much will be lost if you cook a food at X temperature over X time. It's not rocket science. In the end it really makes no difference at all. Any nutrient reported by a manufacturer must be the level of that given nutrient AFTER the manufacturing process is complete, not before. Thus if the food claims it has 100 mgs/kg of vitamin C - that's what's in the bag AFTER the manufacturing process is completed. What is lost to coooking is not relevant. What may be lost if you leave the bag in trunk of your car for a week in Phoenix Arizona in the summer is another matter. |
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Rocky wrote in
: Marcel Beaudoin said in rec.pets.dogs.health: I know there are people on here who feed raw (Melanie and Matt do, I think, as well as some others) and I know it is not an easy thing to do. Raw is certainly not an easy thing to do properly, which is why I currently don't feed raw right now: I'm lazy, and like to buy prepared raw foods. Because I've found prepared raw formulations wanting in many of the same ways that some kibble is inappropriate for my dogs, I've settled on, for both dogs, the kibble that I believe has been a life saver for Rocky. My bad. I apologize for bringing you into this thread... -- Marcel and Moogli http://mudbunny.blogspot.com/ |
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Marcel Beaudoin said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
My bad. I apologize for bringing you into this thread... Drive by response. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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"Steve Crane" wrote in message oups.com... Oh nonsense, regarding the vast majority of nutrients any company can provide that data - and to a degree far beyond any meaningful difference. The more important question is why some companies refuse to provide that data to consumers. ..........I really doubt that's true Steve, if you're saying you can provide the exact level of nutrients for each bag of SD. buglady take out the dog before replying |
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Furry wrote: Diets for large breed dogs (who are most at risk for HD) and new Prescription Diet Canine j/d (clinically proven to reduce pain in dogs suffering from osteoarthritis. Please provide the reference for these studies. Sorry for the delay, but I've been out of town for a few days. But here are some references that you asked for: Caterson, B. Cartilage Physiology: Unique Aspects of Canine Cartilage. In: Proceedings. Symposium on Nutritional Management of Chronic Canine Osteoarthritis. North American Veterinary Conference, Orlando, FL. January 7, 2005 Johnston SA. Osteoarthritis: Joint anatomy, physiology and pathobiology. "Vet Clin North Am Small Anim Pract" 1997 Jul; 27: 699-723 Omega-3 Fatty Acids in Canine Osteoarthritis: A Randomized, Double-Masked, Practice Based Study, 6-month feeding study, 2003 University Arthritis Study: Effects of Feeding Omega-3 Fatty Acids on Force Plate Gait Analysis in Dogs with Osteoarthritis, 3-month feeding study, 2003 A Multi-center Practice Based Study of a Therapeutic Food and Drugs in Dogs with Osteoarthritis; 3-month feeding study, 2004 For you or anyone else to completely leave out nutrition as a factor in the longer and better quality lives that dogs are living is to completely miss (usually on purpose) the point. You you completely left out medical advances in your ascertation that kibble is now causing dogs to live longer. Furry There are a mulititude of factors, really. Better nutrition cannot be discounted. |
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