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Raw food advantages / dangers
I've been feeding raw beef hearts as well as marrow bones and other raw
bones to Muttley for a while. He really enjoys them and I think it is healthy and natural. But a friend says that I should cook them to eliminate the possibility of him getting worms. However, she also gives her dog cooked chicken bones, so I think her advice is a bit suspect. Also, she claims that raw beef can make a dog aggressive. I did a little research and came up with some conflicting advice. There are some that advise feeding raw beef hearts and liver as part of a cure for heartworms, and others that recommend cooking all meats. http://www.heartwormfree.com/support.htm http://www.fluther.com/disc/5050/is-...-beef-to-dogs/ http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_eating_raw_beef_harmful http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...ticlekey=12322 http://www.animalfood.com/rttinfo.htm Paul and Muttley |
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Paul E. Schoen wrote:
I've been feeding raw beef hearts as well as marrow bones and other raw bones to Muttley for a while. He really enjoys them and I think it is healthy and natural. But a friend says that I should cook them to eliminate the possibility of him getting worms. However, she also gives her dog cooked chicken bones, so I think her advice is a bit suspect. Also, she claims that raw beef can make a dog aggressive. It's a rare thing to get worms from human grade meat these days. Especially in dogs, the food is digested a lot faster than in humans and their stomach acid is also stronger. Anyone that says eating raw would make a dog aggressive hasn't a clue. I did a little research and came up with some conflicting advice. There are some that advise feeding raw beef hearts and liver as part of a cure for heartworms, and others that recommend cooking all meats. I know several people who have totally raw fed dogs that don't use heartworm "preventative" at all and have done so for many years, even here in Florida. Be careful with the liver though. It can cause loose stools. Balance it out with some bone, like some beef or pork ribs or some chicken. http://www.heartwormfree.com/support.htm http://www.fluther.com/disc/5050/is-...-beef-to-dogs/ http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_eating_raw_beef_harmful http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...ticlekey=12322 http://www.animalfood.com/rttinfo.htm Paul and Muttley |
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chardonnay9 wrote: I know several people [ ... ] It's like science, only completely different! -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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"chardonnay9" wrote in message m... Paul E. Schoen wrote: I've been feeding raw beef hearts as well as marrow bones and other raw bones to Muttley for a while. He really enjoys them and I think it is healthy and natural. But a friend says that I should cook them to eliminate the possibility of him getting worms. However, she also gives her dog cooked chicken bones, so I think her advice is a bit suspect. Also, she claims that raw beef can make a dog aggressive. It's a rare thing to get worms from human grade meat these days. Especially in dogs, the food is digested a lot faster than in humans and their stomach acid is also stronger. Anyone that says eating raw would make a dog aggressive hasn't a clue. That's what I thought. However, I have heard that animals are often fed hormones and other chemicals that may remain in raw meat. Perhaps testosterone and other steroids, or adrenaline that may have been pumped into the animal's blood system enroute to being slaughtered. But I have not noticed Muttley being aggressive, except that he loves the raw beef hearts so much I need to remind him to take it gently if I hand feed him. He gets rather excited, and I have felt his teeth, but he has good bite inhibition. I did a little research and came up with some conflicting advice. There are some that advise feeding raw beef hearts and liver as part of a cure for heartworms, and others that recommend cooking all meats. I know several people who have totally raw fed dogs that don't use heartworm "preventative" at all and have done so for many years, even here in Florida. Be careful with the liver though. It can cause loose stools. Balance it out with some bone, like some beef or pork ribs or some chicken. I have not given him liver, as it is more expensive, and actually I enjoy eating it myself (although not raw). I often give him beef marrow bones, which I get for about $1 to $1.50/lb, but there is not much marrow, and he only gnaws off some of the bone. Yet they give him long-term satisfaction for his need to chew on something. I gave him some beef bones that had a lot of meat on them, and he was able to eat all of that. I usually get ribs and chicken already cooked, or I cook it myself, so the cooked bones are probably not safe. I have given him chicken bones in the past, with no problem, as he tends to chew things thoroughly, but I'd rather not take a chance. Thanks for your perspective. We can agree to disagree on some items but hopefully maintain mutual respect, which is something that is beyond the narrow-minded abilities of most people who infest this newsgroup. Give my regards to Jerry. I really *don't* yank and choke Muttley anymore, and his prong collar has been unused for two years! Paul and Muttley |
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Iain Bishop wrote:
Make sure Muttleys also getting his veggies! If you're going to give him raw or natural dog food you need to give him other things besides meat and bones for him to get all his nutrients. http://naturaldogfood.com.au/ says 15% fruit and veg. If he won't eat fruit and veg you could think about giving him dog vitamins instead. http://www.vitaminsforthedog.com explains all about dog vitamins and dog supplements. I feed my dog raw meat and bones and fruit and veggie scraps from our own cooking. She loves it A LOT more than commercial dog food. Dogs can get all their nutrients from meat, bones and organ meat. They don't need fruit and vegetables. Indeed, many dogs develop allergies when fed such things. They wouldn't need vitamins and supplements either. Those are for kibble fed dogs which really don't get good nutrition from kibble. |
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On Mar 26, 8:08*am, (Melinda Shore) wrote:
In article , chardonnay9 wrote: I know several people [ ... ] It's like science, only completely different! -- * * *Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - * * * Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community What is the "science" behind your bitterness? What is the "scientific" reason that you are a lesbian? |
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Paul E. Schoen wrote:
"chardonnay9" wrote in message m... Paul E. Schoen wrote: I've been feeding raw beef hearts as well as marrow bones and other raw bones to Muttley for a while. He really enjoys them and I think it is healthy and natural. But a friend says that I should cook them to eliminate the possibility of him getting worms. However, she also gives her dog cooked chicken bones, so I think her advice is a bit suspect. Also, she claims that raw beef can make a dog aggressive. It's a rare thing to get worms from human grade meat these days. Especially in dogs, the food is digested a lot faster than in humans and their stomach acid is also stronger. Anyone that says eating raw would make a dog aggressive hasn't a clue. That's what I thought. However, I have heard that animals are often fed hormones and other chemicals that may remain in raw meat. Perhaps testosterone and other steroids, or adrenaline that may have been pumped into the animal's blood system enroute to being slaughtered. But I have not noticed Muttley being aggressive, except that he loves the raw beef hearts so much I need to remind him to take it gently if I hand feed him. He gets rather excited, and I have felt his teeth, but he has good bite inhibition. I did a little research and came up with some conflicting advice. There are some that advise feeding raw beef hearts and liver as part of a cure for heartworms, and others that recommend cooking all meats. I know several people who have totally raw fed dogs that don't use heartworm "preventative" at all and have done so for many years, even here in Florida. Be careful with the liver though. It can cause loose stools. Balance it out with some bone, like some beef or pork ribs or some chicken. I have not given him liver, as it is more expensive, and actually I enjoy eating it myself (although not raw). I often give him beef marrow bones, which I get for about $1 to $1.50/lb, but there is not much marrow, and he only gnaws off some of the bone. Yet they give him long-term satisfaction for his need to chew on something. I gave him some beef bones that had a lot of meat on them, and he was able to eat all of that. I usually get ribs and chicken already cooked, or I cook it myself, so the cooked bones are probably not safe. I have given him chicken bones in the past, with no problem, as he tends to chew things thoroughly, but I'd rather not take a chance. I buy beef ribs for them. Good recreational chewing there. Thanks for your perspective. We can agree to disagree on some items but hopefully maintain mutual respect, which is something that is beyond the narrow-minded abilities of most people who infest this newsgroup. Give my regards to Jerry. I really *don't* yank and choke Muttley anymore, and his prong collar has been unused for two years! Paul and Muttley Good for you Paul! I agree, respect is sorely lacking in this group. Instead of exchanging ideas and information it's all about personal attacks and venom. |
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wrote: What is the "science" behind your bitterness? What is the "scientific" reason that you are a lesbian? Hi - "science" is process/methodology. I don't really understand your comment - could you explain what you mean? -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article , wrote: What is the "science" behind your bitterness? What is the "scientific" reason that you are a lesbian? Hi - "science" is process/methodology. I don't really understand your comment - could you explain what you mean? You don't understand that everyone sees you as being a bitch? How could you miss that? |
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In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote: You don't understand that everyone sees you as being a bitch? How could you miss that? No, your first statement is incorrect on the facts. But I'm not sure how he connects that to "science," particularly since he doesn't seem to understand what "science" actually is, so I'm curious about what he sees as the connection. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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