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Raw food advantages / dangers
On Mar 26, 6:57*am, chardonnay9 wrote:
Paul E. Schoen wrote: I've been feeding raw beef hearts as well as marrow bones and other raw bones to Muttley for a while. He really enjoys them and I think it is healthy and natural. But a friend says that I should cook them to eliminate the possibility of him getting worms. However, she also gives her dog cooked chicken bones, so I think her advice is a bit suspect. Also, she claims that raw beef can make a dog aggressive. It's a rare thing to get worms from human grade meat these days. Especially in dogs, the food is digested a lot faster than in humans and their stomach acid is also stronger. Anyone that says eating raw would make a dog aggressive hasn't a clue. I did a little research and came up with some conflicting advice. There are some that advise feeding raw beef hearts and liver as part of a cure for heartworms, and others that recommend cooking all meats. I know several people who have totally raw fed dogs that don't use heartworm "preventative" at all and have done so for many years, even here in Florida. Be careful with the liver though. It can cause loose stools. Balance it out with some bone, like some beef or pork ribs or some chicken. http://www.heartwormfree.com/support.htm http://www.fluther.com/disc/5050/is-...-ground-beef-t... http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_eating_raw_beef_harmful http://www.medterms.com/script/main/...ticlekey=12322 http://www.animalfood.com/rttinfo.htm Paul and Muttley From what I've heard, Cooked bones can splinter and damage a dog's internal organs. Raw bones should always be supervised. I was also told by my vet to avoid giving them raw meats. I've found great resources at: http://www.squidoo.com/My-awesome-animals-1 It lists all the danger food for dogs along with the reasons, it also lists homemade dog food recipes |
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wrote: I've found [ ... ] Uh-huh. Right. "Found." squidoo is like the internet's whoopee cushion. I've never seen so much somebody's-gotta-get-rich-recycling-text-bought- off-ebay-but-it's-probably-not-going-to-be-losers-who-try- to-do-it-on-squidoo stuff in one place, ever. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article , wrote: I've found [ ... ] Uh-huh. Right. "Found." squidoo is like the internet's whoopee cushion. I've never seen so much somebody's-gotta-get-rich-recycling-text-bought- off-ebay-but-it's-probably-not-going-to-be-losers-who-try- to-do-it-on-squidoo stuff in one place, ever. Yeah, I wouldn't trust it. But it does not sound as bad as you claim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squidoo But most of the dogpile hits were for GetRichQuick schemes. Anyway, I already know the danger of cooked bones, and Muttley is doing fine on mostly kibble, with some human food, and occasonal treats of raw heart and marrow bones. And I don't think he really needs supervision. He just gnaws on the bones, and now sometimes he will put them in my hand expecting me to magically carve out more of the marrow that he can't get to. But once it's all gone, it's gone. Poor dog thinks I'm a magician... Paul and Muttley |
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Paul E. Schoen wrote:
"Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article , wrote: I've found [ ... ] Uh-huh. Right. "Found." squidoo is like the internet's whoopee cushion. I've never seen so much somebody's-gotta-get-rich-recycling-text-bought- off-ebay-but-it's-probably-not-going-to-be-losers-who-try- to-do-it-on-squidoo stuff in one place, ever. Yeah, I wouldn't trust it. But it does not sound as bad as you claim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squidoo But most of the dogpile hits were for GetRichQuick schemes. Anyway, I already know the danger of cooked bones, and Muttley is doing fine on mostly kibble, with some human food, and occasonal treats of raw heart and marrow bones. And I don't think he really needs supervision. He just gnaws on the bones, and now sometimes he will put them in my hand expecting me to magically carve out more of the marrow that he can't get to. But once it's all gone, it's gone. Poor dog thinks I'm a magician... Paul and Muttley You can pack the bone with something tasty like canned mackeral, the beef heart, whatever. |
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chardonnay9 wrote: Dogs shouldn't have breadcrumbs or any kind of flour. It's not something they would naturally eat. Oh, please. You still can't tell the difference between "would eat" and "would find in the 'wild'," whatever the hell is meant by "wild" in the context of domestic animals. A dog will eat pretty much anything. Whether or not they'd encounter it in entirely artificial, fabricated situations is another matter. Sack of hair, that's how smart you are. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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sighthounds & siberians wrote: Completely setting aside the meaningless, unanswerable question of what domestic dogs might eat in the wild, just because a dog wouldn't find a loaf of bread or a bag of flour "in the wild" doesn't mean dogs shouldn't eat bread. The fact that something isn't found "in the wild" doesn't make it harmful. Right - sorry for nerd mode. I was focused on the structural problems with argument she was making. I agree that bread isn't inherently harmful, although I wouldn't feed my dogs a bunch of it. I think you need to be more specific. For example, I don't believe that she is as smart as a sack of Siberian husky hair, or a sack of Border Collie hair. I think the challenge of finding a type of hair that she is smarter than looks intimidatingly difficult. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article , chardonnay9 wrote: Dogs shouldn't have breadcrumbs or any kind of flour. It's not something they would naturally eat. Oh, please. You still can't tell the difference between "would eat" and "would find in the 'wild'," whatever the hell is meant by "wild" in the context of domestic animals. A dog will eat pretty much anything. Whether or not they'd encounter it in entirely artificial, fabricated situations is another matter. AFAIK, the main difference in the digestive and nutrient conversion processes of carnivores such as dogs, and omnivores, particularly humans, apes, and Guinea pigs, is the ability to generate their own ascorbic acid, which is necessary in small amounts to prevent scurvey, and in larger amounts to facilitate rapid healing. Of course there are herbivores and omnivores with that ability as well. But I think the idea of glorifying the perfection of natural diets that were limited to what was available to animals in the wild, and more recent processed foods developed by humans, is a fallacy. Various species of animals developed the ability to survive on what was available, but it does not mean that even better nutrition cannot be obtained by means of processing other foods that were not available, or unsuitable for consumption in their natural state. My friend is a health food "nut", and he insists that natural, "live" foods are the only ones that can provide proper nutrition. But he also says that the only way to extract all the nutrients is to run them through a juicer, which breaks down all the fibers and allows the body access to everything. Yet a juicer is certainly a form of unnatural processing. I agree that many highly processed foods have too many preservatives, and some ingredients of questionable quality and nutritional value, but generally a healthy animal's digestive system can break down most foods into basic components of amino acids, sugars, starches, and fats, and process them as needed. Of course, the effects of aging and disease, or genetic defects or allergies, can interfere with this ability, and more careful choice of diet is required. And a variety of good quality food is always a good idea. Paul and Muttley |
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