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Dog yelping in pain but can't identify why?
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:16:16 -0500, diddy none wrote:
spoke these words of wisdom in : But Regardless... no dog in my house is going to act that way. So I had a little Come to Jesus meeting with him, and put the proper fear of god into him, and Tuck can walk by his bowl all he wants, and i can take anything from him that I want to. Whatever was starting with him, finished right then.. He thought he was going to die. I thought he was too. Taking out faces is a ZERO TOLERANCE proposition. I'm sorry to hear about your dog. No, the ESS is not too young for this. And if he is genetically extremely assertive, and it's not just an owner or leadership problem, which can rather easily be corrected, you will be tested again and again. I don't know what the circumstances were here, but it sounds like you may have a real problem on your hands. Nope.. It's solved. It was not neurological. It was lack of bite inhibition and lack of respect for his elders. Tuck is not the pack leader. "I" Am, and he decided to take charge. I have news, as pack leader, I have the right to assign who I want to lead.. And it's ME. It's ALL about ME. And I made it pretty clear if he wants to live life on this planet, his behavior HAD to change. And no.. I wouldn't have him put down. If he ever thinks of touching Tuck again, I'll kill him on the spot. And I think the message was sent loud and clear. There was no mistaking that in his little springer mind. In the meantime... He's not trying to get away with anything, the two snuggle up and cuddle together, and I make sure their food bowls are now touching when they eat, so they must eat cheek to cheek. And I'm ready to take out the dog who twitches a whisker. All of a sudden there are zero resource guarding issues. And we do a lot of resource guarding tests around here too. He's wonderful around children. He's now wonderful around other dogs. He just needed things put in a little different perspective. His only problems now, are he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, and incredibly BUSY.. night and day, and night, and day.. He's a very sweet dog. The incident with Tuck was so sudden and savage, that the vets did not expect such savagery from such a young puppy. So they instantly labeled him with Springer Rage.. And that was so wrong. This was a young puppy, who was very assured that he was cute, loveable, and could do no wrong. He decided to stake his territory. He IS very assertive. He doesn't take no for an aswer. He's not easily disswayed. But he also learned his place in the pack, and also was bright enough to know that you don't mess with MY dog. They are favorite buddies. Tuck won't go out without him. Tuck has forgiven him completely. And he adores Tuck You might want to consult with an experienced behaviorist, especially if small children could ever be involved. I don't think you will ever be able to trust him with small children, or possibly even with strangers, again. I would check with your breeder, and if there were any signs of this behavior with his siblings or close relatives (two generations), you may want to consider having him put down. http://www.essfta.org/health_research/aggression.htm “Rage Syndrome” is an old term, essentially a misnomer that should be dropped from the behavior vocabulary. Rage implies a violent, emotional reaction. While this may apply to sudden outbursts of violence in people, it really doesn’t help us determine why a similar incident occurred in dogs. The records of many dogs previously diagnosed with “Springer Rage Syndrome” were reviewed, and various forms of aggression were actually displayed. As part of my own behavior practice, I frequently evaluate dogs with so-called “Rage Syndrome”. So far, all of these dogs have been diagnosed with another form of aggression, including dominance aggression, fear-related aggression, resource guarding, and territorial behaviors. Dominance aggression was the most common diagnosis, when current diagnostic criteria were applied. I hope you are right. But neurological soundness has nothing to do with being genetically extremely assertive. And if he is the latter (hopefully he isn't), you will see this behavior again, but he'll pick his opportunities more carefully, particularly after he's fully matured. But let's go with your hunch and hope that it's not genetic. I'd talk to the dog's breeder though, and check out his background, just to play it safe. |
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Dog yelping in pain but can't identify why?
diddy wrote:
But Regardless... no dog in my house is going to act that way. So I had a little Come to Jesus meeting with him, and put the proper fear of god into him, and Tuck can walk by his bowl all he wants, and i can take anything from him that I want to. Whatever was starting with him, finished right then.. He thought he was going to die. I thought he was too. Taking out faces is a ZERO TOLERANCE proposition. Even more violence by the regulars here. All I can do is cry and hope that dog escapes or manages to end up with someone much more compassionate. Spare me the details.... |
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On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:08:40 -0400, chardonnay9
wrote: wrote: I'm sorry to hear about your dog. No, the ESS is not too young for this. And if he is genetically extremely assertive, and it's not just an owner or leadership problem, which can rather easily be corrected, you will be tested again and again. I don't know what the circumstances were here, but it sounds like you may have a real problem on your hands. You might want to consult with an experienced behaviorist, especially if small children could ever be involved. I don't think you will ever be able to trust him with small children, or possibly even with strangers, again. I would check with your breeder, and if there were any signs of this behavior with his siblings or close relatives (two generations), you may want to consider having him put down. Yeah, lets kill any dog that objects to physical and mental violence and acts out because of it, that's the ticket! What physical or mental violence? He apparently seriously attacked a dog simply for coming too near him while he was eating. If this actually is a genetically extremely assertive dog, as described in that article written by a behaviorist familiar with the problem of canine aggression, and other dogs in his pedigree have shown similar behaviors, euthanasia, rather than passing the problem along to others, may be the best, and safest, option. Do you have small children? Some behaviors can't be changed. Our shelters are currently filled to the brim with dogs that have never bitten anyone, dog or man, and most of them will be euthanized there. No one enjoys having a dog put down, but culling genetically unstable dogs from the gene pool can only help prevent the accidents we hear about everyday in the news, and will also reduce, over time, the overall number of dogs that need to be put down in shelters. This dog's owner appears to think he's not genetically predisposed to such behavior, so maybe this was just a onetime affair. I hope so. |
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Dog yelping in pain but can't identify why?
diddy wrote:
spoke these words of wisdom in : But Regardless... no dog in my house is going to act that way. So I had a little Come to Jesus meeting with him, and put the proper fear of god into him, and Tuck can walk by his bowl all he wants, and i can take anything from him that I want to. Whatever was starting with him, finished right then.. He thought he was going to die. I thought he was too. Taking out faces is a ZERO TOLERANCE proposition. I'm sorry to hear about your dog. No, the ESS is not too young for this. And if he is genetically extremely assertive, and it's not just an owner or leadership problem, which can rather easily be corrected, you will be tested again and again. I don't know what the circumstances were here, but it sounds like you may have a real problem on your hands. Nope.. It's solved. It was not neurological. It was lack of bite inhibition and lack of respect for his elders. Tuck is not the pack leader. "I" Am, and he decided to take charge. I have news, as pack leader, I have the right to assign who I want to lead.. And it's ME. It's ALL about ME. And I made it pretty clear if he wants to live life on this planet, his behavior HAD to change. And no.. I wouldn't have him put down. If he ever thinks of touching Tuck again, I'll kill him on the spot. And I think the message was sent loud and clear. There was no mistaking that in his little springer mind. In the meantime... He's not trying to get away with anything, the two snuggle up and cuddle together, and I make sure their food bowls are now touching when they eat, so they must eat cheek to cheek. And I'm ready to take out the dog who twitches a whisker. All of a sudden there are zero resource guarding issues. And we do a lot of resource guarding tests around here too. He's wonderful around children. He's now wonderful around other dogs. He just needed things put in a little different perspective. His only problems now, are he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, and incredibly BUSY.. night and day, and night, and day.. He's a very sweet dog. The incident with Tuck was so sudden and savage, that the vets did not expect such savagery from such a young puppy. So they instantly labeled him with Springer Rage.. And that was so wrong. This was a young puppy, who was very assured that he was cute, loveable, and could do no wrong. He decided to stake his territory. He IS very assertive. He doesn't take no for an aswer. He's not easily disswayed. But he also learned his place in the pack, and also was bright enough to know that you don't mess with MY dog. They are favorite buddies. Tuck won't go out without him. Tuck has forgiven him completely. And he adores Tuck I hope you're right. Truly I do. But given only the info you've provided here, the bottom of my heart, the pit of my stomach and the back of my neck are telling me that this is not the last of it. Will you be able to live with yourself if you're wrong? As a dog owner with BCs and a JRT, as a parent, a teacher and captain of a flyball team full of gonzo personalities, I routinely make judgements that affect the safety and well being of my animals, loved ones, friends, teammates and the public. And sometimes, no matter what we do, no matter how hard we work and try and rehab, to my deep and abiding disappointment and dismay, I have to say, "Oh hell no. Get that dog out of here right now." |
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Dog yelping in pain but can't identify why?
Alex wrote:
Hi, My pup is 6 months old and has been yelping in pain for about 2 weeks. He has visited the vet twice, had two physical exams and an x ray but the vet has not identified anything physically wrong with the dog. He has been taking a pain reliever and something to reduce swelling. The pup is not yelping all the time just occasionally making it difficult to isolate it to any one area of his body. He seems to yelp more when he is moving then when he is lying down. One minute he is playing with a Kong ball the next he is walking around yelping in pain. Any ideas? Pet communicator. Research it before you dismiss it. |
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