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For those of you who think vaccines actually work
I posted a couple examples of what is there.
http://www.whale.to/a/graphs.html *Declining Death Rates (US)* reveals that in the United States--without benefit of any vaccine--the tuberculosis mortality rate underwent a drop of roughly 96 percent in the first 60 years of this century; and that in a little short of the same time span (although the effectiveness of the vaccine has been seriously questioned by reputed scientists) mortality from typhoid vanished.^6 *Acute Rheumatic Fever Death Rates (Britain)* indicates that in Britain, the annual death rate from rheumatic fever underwent a decline approximating 86 percent in the period covering 1850 to 1946, before penicillin had become available.^63 |
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For those of you who think vaccines actually work
Char wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health:
I posted a couple examples of what is there. http://www.whale.to/a/graphs.html *Declining Death Rates (US)* reveals that in the United States--without benefit of any vaccine--the tuberculosis mortality rate underwent a drop of roughly 96 percent in the first 60 years of this century; and that in a little short of the same time span (although the effectiveness of the vaccine has been seriously questioned by reputed scientists) mortality from typhoid vanished.^6 *Acute Rheumatic Fever Death Rates (Britain)* indicates that in Britain, the annual death rate from rheumatic fever underwent a decline approximating 86 percent in the period covering 1850 to 1946, before penicillin had become available.^63 Laugh! The TB rate went down when they started testing cows for it and removing them from the market and pasturizing milk. There isnt a TB 'vaccine'. There is a series of antibiotics if unlucky like me, you have to take for 6 months. It is called INH. Your paragraph mixes TB and Typhoid and they are not at all related other than both being infectious. Rheumatic fever deaths just like many others got less common as food became more available. A healthy person is less at risk. Did you know today Scarlet fever is cured in a week? Thats why the death ratio is very low now. Charlotte had it when she was 5. Freaked me out but she was allowed back in school in 3 days (we kept her out a week because we worried she'd get a flu while recovering). Your post leads to a web site that doesnt use all the data on why it changed. It didn't change without a cause and they didn't tell you the change so you assume there was none. Wrong again ranger. -- |
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For those of you who think vaccines actually work
Also, beginning early in the 20th century, legally driven quarantine
came into general use, lthough is began somewhat earlier. If you have TB, you went to a TB hospital until you recovered or died. If you had scarlet fever, mumps, measels, etc., you were quarantined at home.... no visitors, mom locked up with the sick kids. Polio cases were hospitalized, and children's summer faves like pools and beaches and baseball (little league, once it was orgaized) shut down as soon as the first cases of the season were seen. We had a TB hospital in the town where I grew up, and I well remember the quarantine signs on doors.... for some years after WWII. This seperated the infectious from the uninfected and prevented many cases. Chicken pox was not a quarantineable disease. Try that now and you get screams from the goodie two-shoes types about preventing exercise of freedoms. Scarlet fever and rheumatic fever both started out with strep throat..... in the cast majority of cases. Stressing of handwashing, use of disposable facial tissues in place of re-usable handkerchiefs all day before replacement, and good old Lysol also assisted...... safe water, sewage systems also helped. And so did the automobile, when it came to fecal contamination of the environment by horses, and by the swarms of flies. Mosquito control reduced the frequency of many diseases. You see, Char, you Flat. Don't. Know. Much. about infectious diseases. Jo Wolf |
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For those of you who think vaccines actually work
Jo Wolf wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health:
Also, beginning early in the 20th century, legally driven quarantine came into general use, lthough is began somewhat earlier. If you have TB, you went to a TB hospital until you recovered or died. If you had scarlet fever, mumps, measels, etc., you were quarantined at home.... no visitors, mom locked up with the sick kids. Polio cases were hospitalized, and children's summer faves like pools and beaches and baseball (little league, once it was orgaized) shut down as soon as the first cases of the season were seen. We had a TB hospital in the town where I grew up, and I well remember the quarantine signs on doors.... for some years after WWII. This seperated the infectious from the uninfected and prevented many cases. Chicken pox was not a quarantineable disease. Try that now and you get screams from the goodie two-shoes types about preventing exercise of freedoms. Scarlet fever and rheumatic fever both started out with strep throat..... in the cast majority of cases. Stressing of handwashing, use of disposable facial tissues in place of re-usable handkerchiefs all day before replacement, and good old Lysol also assisted...... safe water, sewage systems also helped. And so did the automobile, when it came to fecal contamination of the environment by horses, and by the swarms of flies. Mosquito control reduced the frequency of many diseases. You see, Char, you Flat. Don't. Know. Much. about infectious diseases. Correct. Huge number of changes happened even before antibiotics were used or common. Food quality went up in how much the average person could obtain and a healthy person is less prone to get sick. People got taller too. Radical shift is in Japan in modern times. -- |
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For those of you who think vaccines actually work
On 7/27/2011 6:52 PM, cshenk wrote:
Jo Wolf wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health: Also, beginning early in the 20th century, legally driven quarantine came into general use, lthough is began somewhat earlier. If you have TB, you went to a TB hospital until you recovered or died. If you had scarlet fever, mumps, measels, etc., you were quarantined at home.... no visitors, mom locked up with the sick kids. Polio cases were hospitalized, and children's summer faves like pools and beaches and baseball (little league, once it was orgaized) shut down as soon as the first cases of the season were seen. We had a TB hospital in the town where I grew up, and I well remember the quarantine signs on doors.... for some years after WWII. This seperated the infectious from the uninfected and prevented many cases. Chicken pox was not a quarantineable disease. Try that now and you get screams from the goodie two-shoes types about preventing exercise of freedoms. Scarlet fever and rheumatic fever both started out with strep throat..... in the cast majority of cases. Stressing of handwashing, use of disposable facial tissues in place of re-usable handkerchiefs all day before replacement, and good old Lysol also assisted...... safe water, sewage systems also helped. And so did the automobile, when it came to fecal contamination of the environment by horses, and by the swarms of flies. Mosquito control reduced the frequency of many diseases. You see, Char, you Flat. Don't. Know. Much. about infectious diseases. Correct. Huge number of changes happened even before antibiotics were used or common. Food quality went up in how much the average person could obtain and a healthy person is less prone to get sick. People got taller too. Radical shift is in Japan in modern times. And none of that has absolutely anything to do with vaccines, which proves my point. |
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For those of you who think vaccines actually work
"Char" wrote in message m... On 7/27/2011 6:52 PM, cshenk wrote: Jo Wolf wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health: Also, beginning early in the 20th century, legally driven quarantine came into general use, lthough is began somewhat earlier. If you have TB, you went to a TB hospital until you recovered or died. If you had scarlet fever, mumps, measels, etc., you were quarantined at home.... no visitors, mom locked up with the sick kids. Polio cases were hospitalized, and children's summer faves like pools and beaches and baseball (little league, once it was orgaized) shut down as soon as the first cases of the season were seen. We had a TB hospital in the town where I grew up, and I well remember the quarantine signs on doors.... for some years after WWII. This seperated the infectious from the uninfected and prevented many cases. Chicken pox was not a quarantineable disease. Try that now and you get screams from the goodie two-shoes types about preventing exercise of freedoms. Scarlet fever and rheumatic fever both started out with strep throat..... in the cast majority of cases. Stressing of handwashing, use of disposable facial tissues in place of re-usable handkerchiefs all day before replacement, and good old Lysol also assisted...... safe water, sewage systems also helped. And so did the automobile, when it came to fecal contamination of the environment by horses, and by the swarms of flies. Mosquito control reduced the frequency of many diseases. You see, Char, you Flat. Don't. Know. Much. about infectious diseases. Correct. Huge number of changes happened even before antibiotics were used or common. Food quality went up in how much the average person could obtain and a healthy person is less prone to get sick. People got taller too. Radical shift is in Japan in modern times. And none of that has absolutely anything to do with vaccines, which proves my point. Sorry, polio, smallpox and rabies were wiped out or diminished by vaccines without any of the other stuff changing. That says it all. |
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For those of you who think vaccines actually work
But Char likes to say that her pet communicable diseases were on the
decrease prior to development of vaccines. Some were. Due to environental changes (paved streets, replacement of horses as the primary transport) and the public health movement, in which the science of epidemiology played a strong role.... even as that science was still developing, indeed, just beginning. I live in the swampy Southeast, in one of the oldest cities in Georgia. We no longer have typhus, typhoid fever, or malaria.... because of public health efforts.... that don't really include vaccines. All existed earlier in the metro area's history. A cousin of mine had tetanus in the early 1940s, because he was too young to be vaccinated. He recovered with no sequelae. Today, on an emerging infectious diseases group, I read of three cases of tetanus in Michigan.... all due to failure to vaccinate or failure to boost in adulthood.... viewed as a major outbreak. Tetanus is a bacterial disease, not a viral disease, so initial vaccination does not yield permanent immnity. In the early 1960s a public health nurse in Wayne County Michigan (Detroit's county) commented to me on a case of diphtheria the previous year..... that the doctors, who'd never seen a case, missed the diagnosis on until the child required a tracheotomy. A few years later, when I was stationed in San Antonio, TX, there was a real outbreak of diphtheria in the region.... with a few deaths. A mass vaccination/adult booster program brought it to a screeching halt. Diphtheria is a bacterial disease, not a viral disease, so initial vaccination does not yield permanent immunity. Whooping cough, which has been a problem in California for the past year, is also a bacterial disease that requires adult boosting. On that same emerging infectious disease list just yesterday, a case of rabies in India was discussed. The young child had a dog bite on the face, and was promptly taken to the hospital, where he was refused the prophyllactic post-exposure vaccine. He was taken to another hosital where he got the appropriate dose of rabies immunoglubulin. 24 hours later, he was returned to the first hospital and recieved a single dose of the post-exposure vaccine. Before he was due for the next dose, he developed symptoms, and soon died. Was it vaccine failure? No. Other individuals were vaccinated from the same lot of vaccine and did not develop the disease. The speculation of world-class specialists is that if he had recieved both the immune globulin and the post-exposure vaccine, with adequate cleaning of the wounds, on that first visit, it was probable that he would have not developed rabies, and would have survived. The key? The rabies virus had adequate time to move the short distance from face to brain along nerve pathways.... India and China have extremely high rates of human death from rabies..... each between 20,000 and 40,000 in a given year. Indian cities which have active rabies immunization programs for stray and owned dogs have remarkably lower rates of human rabies deaths from those which do not have such programs. Char just has rocks in her head.... and a very poor science education behind her. Jo |
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For those of you who think vaccines actually work
On 7/31/2011 12:29 PM, Ringer wrote:
wrote in message And none of that has absolutely anything to do with vaccines, which proves my point. Sorry, polio, smallpox and rabies were wiped out or diminished by vaccines without any of the other stuff changing. That says it all. There is absolutely no proof of that. They were on the way out before the vaccines were out in the general population. You really need to do some fact checking. On top of that the polio vaccine actually caused many cases of polio. The link I gave shows the time lines in relation to when certain diseases were dropping fast before the vaccines were given. That means it's not possible for the vaccines to effect the drop in cases. Do you understand the graphs at all? Doesn't sound like it. |
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For those of you who think vaccines actually work
On 7/31/2011 4:28 PM, Jo Wolf wrote:
But Char likes to say that her pet communicable diseases were on the decrease prior to development of vaccines. Putting words in my mouth again? How would you know what I like to say? Why do you feel the need to make stuff up? Why start arguments based on lies? Is that all you have? It's a shame someone can't post here, use factual evidence and have it twisted around just to be spiteful. I posted it to create discussion, not deception. Char |
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For those of you who think vaccines actually work
"Char" wrote in message m... On 7/31/2011 4:28 PM, Jo Wolf wrote: But Char likes to say that her pet communicable diseases were on the decrease prior to development of vaccines. Putting words in my mouth again? How would you know what I like to say? Why do you feel the need to make stuff up? Why start arguments based on lies? Is that all you have? It's a shame someone can't post here, use factual evidence and have it twisted around just to be spiteful. I posted it to create discussion, not deception. Char __________________________________________________ _______________________________ Seems to me that you are the one totally ignoring other people's well-informed posts. Why not try addressing some of the points Jo brings up, instead of going all crazy-ass paranoid? Oh, yeah, I guess you can't do that. No, I'm wrong. You CAN do that, but anytime ANYONE posts a sensible, fact-filled post, you conveniently skip over it, ignore it, or insult the author. Yep, that'll get ya far... |
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