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"Lynn K." wrote in message om... allowing the dogs to interact. IOW she deliberately doesn't socialize them. You can imagine how poor the manners of these dogs are around other dogs or people. At the same time Mary is a dynamite competition trainer, with an endless supply of tricks to teach complex skills. But she knows f-all about resource guarding, separation anxiety, aggression, etc. because they simply can't happen in her somewhat skewed world. There is someone who, not to the extreme that you talk about, locally here that also has dogs that are OTCh's (One, I think, and the other is in Utility) that have terrible manners with other dogs. So much that many people give her an unusually wide berth when she comes through.* She is an extreme example, but the whole gamut is possible. You've met my Java and could see how, uhm, self-contained he is. Keeping him relaxed and animated has been my biggest training challenge for the past 7 years. So I've encouraged him to jump up on me, in fact taught him to do so. It's not hard to see how someone who saw that might think that he had no manners whatsoever. I used to think that this was crazy, but a friend (also with Belgians) told me about this as well. I don't mind, and also taught Bodhi to jump up on me. He doesn't do it with strangers, however he does do it to those he *really* likes. One is his agility instructor, the other the friend of mine who suggested it! Shelly & The Boys |
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"Lynn K." wrote in message om... allowing the dogs to interact. IOW she deliberately doesn't socialize them. You can imagine how poor the manners of these dogs are around other dogs or people. At the same time Mary is a dynamite competition trainer, with an endless supply of tricks to teach complex skills. But she knows f-all about resource guarding, separation anxiety, aggression, etc. because they simply can't happen in her somewhat skewed world. There is someone who, not to the extreme that you talk about, locally here that also has dogs that are OTCh's (One, I think, and the other is in Utility) that have terrible manners with other dogs. So much that many people give her an unusually wide berth when she comes through.* She is an extreme example, but the whole gamut is possible. You've met my Java and could see how, uhm, self-contained he is. Keeping him relaxed and animated has been my biggest training challenge for the past 7 years. So I've encouraged him to jump up on me, in fact taught him to do so. It's not hard to see how someone who saw that might think that he had no manners whatsoever. I used to think that this was crazy, but a friend (also with Belgians) told me about this as well. I don't mind, and also taught Bodhi to jump up on me. He doesn't do it with strangers, however he does do it to those he *really* likes. One is his agility instructor, the other the friend of mine who suggested it! Shelly & The Boys |
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"Lynn K." wrote in message om... allowing the dogs to interact. IOW she deliberately doesn't socialize them. You can imagine how poor the manners of these dogs are around other dogs or people. At the same time Mary is a dynamite competition trainer, with an endless supply of tricks to teach complex skills. But she knows f-all about resource guarding, separation anxiety, aggression, etc. because they simply can't happen in her somewhat skewed world. There is someone who, not to the extreme that you talk about, locally here that also has dogs that are OTCh's (One, I think, and the other is in Utility) that have terrible manners with other dogs. So much that many people give her an unusually wide berth when she comes through.* She is an extreme example, but the whole gamut is possible. You've met my Java and could see how, uhm, self-contained he is. Keeping him relaxed and animated has been my biggest training challenge for the past 7 years. So I've encouraged him to jump up on me, in fact taught him to do so. It's not hard to see how someone who saw that might think that he had no manners whatsoever. I used to think that this was crazy, but a friend (also with Belgians) told me about this as well. I don't mind, and also taught Bodhi to jump up on me. He doesn't do it with strangers, however he does do it to those he *really* likes. One is his agility instructor, the other the friend of mine who suggested it! Shelly & The Boys |
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Lynn K. wrote: (gwen) wrote in message om.. Of course this does contradict the high level obedience titles in the argument the other day about how *many/plenty/lots/some have very bad manners. I still don't see that because to train a dog to this level is intense longterm training not something that occurs overnight and the dogs not only know verbal commands very well they also know hand commands very well. Maybe an example will help you understand why there is no contradiction. A trainer in my area breeds Goldens and competes with them at the highest levels (multiple OTChs & MH titles). Part of her strategy is to focus her dogs completely on herself and work. To do that, she allows her dogs no contact with other dogs or informal contact with other people from the time they are weaned. Even within the home she'll put one dog away while playing with another, never allowing the dogs to interact. IOW she deliberately doesn't socialize them. You can imagine how poor the manners of these dogs are around other dogs or people. At the same time Mary is a dynamite competition trainer, with an endless supply of tricks to teach complex skills. But she knows f-all about resource guarding, separation anxiety, aggression, etc. because they simply can't happen in her somewhat skewed world. She is an extreme example, but the whole gamut is possible. You've met my Java and could see how, uhm, self-contained he is. Keeping him relaxed and animated has been my biggest training challenge for the past 7 years. So I've encouraged him to jump up on me, in fact taught him to do so. It's not hard to see how someone who saw that might think that he had no manners whatsoever. If Gwen was making the argument you are making now, you would be arguing the opposite. You're nothing but a dumb cow who does whatever the herd is doing. MOOOOOOO!!!!! MOOO! MOOOOOO!O!O!O!O!!!!!!! Lynn K. -- this is michael reporting live... http://dogtv.com BRILLIANT http://dogtv.com/sionnach.wmv |
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Lynn K. wrote: (gwen) wrote in message om.. Of course this does contradict the high level obedience titles in the argument the other day about how *many/plenty/lots/some have very bad manners. I still don't see that because to train a dog to this level is intense longterm training not something that occurs overnight and the dogs not only know verbal commands very well they also know hand commands very well. Maybe an example will help you understand why there is no contradiction. A trainer in my area breeds Goldens and competes with them at the highest levels (multiple OTChs & MH titles). Part of her strategy is to focus her dogs completely on herself and work. To do that, she allows her dogs no contact with other dogs or informal contact with other people from the time they are weaned. Even within the home she'll put one dog away while playing with another, never allowing the dogs to interact. IOW she deliberately doesn't socialize them. You can imagine how poor the manners of these dogs are around other dogs or people. At the same time Mary is a dynamite competition trainer, with an endless supply of tricks to teach complex skills. But she knows f-all about resource guarding, separation anxiety, aggression, etc. because they simply can't happen in her somewhat skewed world. She is an extreme example, but the whole gamut is possible. You've met my Java and could see how, uhm, self-contained he is. Keeping him relaxed and animated has been my biggest training challenge for the past 7 years. So I've encouraged him to jump up on me, in fact taught him to do so. It's not hard to see how someone who saw that might think that he had no manners whatsoever. If Gwen was making the argument you are making now, you would be arguing the opposite. You're nothing but a dumb cow who does whatever the herd is doing. MOOOOOOO!!!!! MOOO! MOOOOOO!O!O!O!O!!!!!!! Lynn K. -- this is michael reporting live... http://dogtv.com BRILLIANT http://dogtv.com/sionnach.wmv |
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