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December 5th 03, 12:49 AM
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Tricia9999 wrote: Nope, there are some pretty loud and ugly fights. Lots of big egos in that world, ya know. Provides for fun gossip at all the nice pc parties though. [Insert standard "because the stakes are so low" joke]. I think it's inevitable to have that kind of behavior in very small communities with lots of competition for scarce resources. The segment of academic life I found to be the most brutal was music performance, believe it or not. It wasn't unheard-of for instruments to be sabotaged, sometimes in ways that injured musicians (one incident involved razor blades between keys on a piano). It's not that uncommon, though, for people going through the tenure process to find that their articles have been ripped out of the journals in the university library and crap like that. I've seen it happen at several different schools. As a former libarian I have more than one reason to be appalled by that sort of thing. (I bagged my Ph.D. sometime after the coursework and sometime before The Book, when I was seduced by the siren song of systems software. It was a good decision, in retrospect.) -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Bad taste is better than no taste -- Arnold Bennett 
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#22
December 5th 03, 01:10 AM
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That's pretty much what happens right *here,* Marshall. Yes, sometimes it gets a little nasty, but so what? It's a nasty world, outside of that Ivory Tower of yours. Some day you'll probably have to come down from that tower, and your experiences *here* will help to prepare you for life in the REAL WORLD. 1. I can take whatever nasty stuff people want to dole out. 2. For me, the issue is helping people searching for good advice. 3. The world, of course, is a nasty place. But the question is how can it be improved? --Marshall PS: As for the "Ivory Tower" AKA university, read on. Why Have Universities? As long as evolution proceeded slowly over centuries, men could feel their way and make adjustments imperceptibly on an empirical basis. But the restraints which for centuries slowed down or limited adjustments have been largely removed. Societies have to act--intelligently, if possible--if not, then unintelligently, blindly, selfishly, impulsively. The weight and prestige of the university must be thrown on the side of intelligence. If the university does not accept this challenge, what other institution can or will? . . . In this world rocking beneath and around us, Where is the theory to be worked out, where are the social and economic problems to be analyzed, where are theory and facts to be brought face to face, where is the truth, welcome or unwelcome, to be told, where are men to be trained to ascertain and tell it, where, in whatever measure it is possible, is conscious, deliberate, and irresponsible thought to be given to the task of reshaping this world of ours to our liking, unless, first and foremost, in the university? The wit of man has thus far contrived no other comparable agency. Flexner, Abraham _The Idea of a Modern University_ New York, 1930, pgs. 13-14
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#23
December 5th 03, 01:10 AM
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That's pretty much what happens right *here,* Marshall. Yes, sometimes it gets a little nasty, but so what? It's a nasty world, outside of that Ivory Tower of yours. Some day you'll probably have to come down from that tower, and your experiences *here* will help to prepare you for life in the REAL WORLD. 1. I can take whatever nasty stuff people want to dole out. 2. For me, the issue is helping people searching for good advice. 3. The world, of course, is a nasty place. But the question is how can it be improved? --Marshall PS: As for the "Ivory Tower" AKA university, read on. Why Have Universities? As long as evolution proceeded slowly over centuries, men could feel their way and make adjustments imperceptibly on an empirical basis. But the restraints which for centuries slowed down or limited adjustments have been largely removed. Societies have to act--intelligently, if possible--if not, then unintelligently, blindly, selfishly, impulsively. The weight and prestige of the university must be thrown on the side of intelligence. If the university does not accept this challenge, what other institution can or will? . . . In this world rocking beneath and around us, Where is the theory to be worked out, where are the social and economic problems to be analyzed, where are theory and facts to be brought face to face, where is the truth, welcome or unwelcome, to be told, where are men to be trained to ascertain and tell it, where, in whatever measure it is possible, is conscious, deliberate, and irresponsible thought to be given to the task of reshaping this world of ours to our liking, unless, first and foremost, in the university? The wit of man has thus far contrived no other comparable agency. Flexner, Abraham _The Idea of a Modern University_ New York, 1930, pgs. 13-14
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#24
December 5th 03, 01:10 AM
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That's pretty much what happens right *here,* Marshall. Yes, sometimes it gets a little nasty, but so what? It's a nasty world, outside of that Ivory Tower of yours. Some day you'll probably have to come down from that tower, and your experiences *here* will help to prepare you for life in the REAL WORLD. 1. I can take whatever nasty stuff people want to dole out. 2. For me, the issue is helping people searching for good advice. 3. The world, of course, is a nasty place. But the question is how can it be improved? --Marshall PS: As for the "Ivory Tower" AKA university, read on. Why Have Universities? As long as evolution proceeded slowly over centuries, men could feel their way and make adjustments imperceptibly on an empirical basis. But the restraints which for centuries slowed down or limited adjustments have been largely removed. Societies have to act--intelligently, if possible--if not, then unintelligently, blindly, selfishly, impulsively. The weight and prestige of the university must be thrown on the side of intelligence. If the university does not accept this challenge, what other institution can or will? . . . In this world rocking beneath and around us, Where is the theory to be worked out, where are the social and economic problems to be analyzed, where are theory and facts to be brought face to face, where is the truth, welcome or unwelcome, to be told, where are men to be trained to ascertain and tell it, where, in whatever measure it is possible, is conscious, deliberate, and irresponsible thought to be given to the task of reshaping this world of ours to our liking, unless, first and foremost, in the university? The wit of man has thus far contrived no other comparable agency. Flexner, Abraham _The Idea of a Modern University_ New York, 1930, pgs. 13-14
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#25
December 5th 03, 01:10 AM
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That's pretty much what happens right *here,* Marshall. Yes, sometimes it gets a little nasty, but so what? It's a nasty world, outside of that Ivory Tower of yours. Some day you'll probably have to come down from that tower, and your experiences *here* will help to prepare you for life in the REAL WORLD. 1. I can take whatever nasty stuff people want to dole out. 2. For me, the issue is helping people searching for good advice. 3. The world, of course, is a nasty place. But the question is how can it be improved? --Marshall PS: As for the "Ivory Tower" AKA university, read on. Why Have Universities? As long as evolution proceeded slowly over centuries, men could feel their way and make adjustments imperceptibly on an empirical basis. But the restraints which for centuries slowed down or limited adjustments have been largely removed. Societies have to act--intelligently, if possible--if not, then unintelligently, blindly, selfishly, impulsively. The weight and prestige of the university must be thrown on the side of intelligence. If the university does not accept this challenge, what other institution can or will? . . . In this world rocking beneath and around us, Where is the theory to be worked out, where are the social and economic problems to be analyzed, where are theory and facts to be brought face to face, where is the truth, welcome or unwelcome, to be told, where are men to be trained to ascertain and tell it, where, in whatever measure it is possible, is conscious, deliberate, and irresponsible thought to be given to the task of reshaping this world of ours to our liking, unless, first and foremost, in the university? The wit of man has thus far contrived no other comparable agency. Flexner, Abraham _The Idea of a Modern University_ New York, 1930, pgs. 13-14
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#27
December 5th 03, 12:47 PM
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In article writes:
On 5 Dec 2003 01:10:09 GMT, (Marshall Dermer) wrote: That's pretty much what happens right *here,* Marshall. Yes, sometimes it gets a little nasty, but so what? It's a nasty world, outside of that Ivory Tower of yours. Some day you'll probably have to come down from that tower, and your experiences *here* will help to prepare you for life in the REAL WORLD. 1. I can take whatever nasty stuff people want to dole out. 2. For me, the issue is helping people searching for good advice. This place does a pretty good job of that, Marshall. No, it's not a perfect place (what place is?), but the chaff eventually gets sorted from the wheat here, if not always politely or tactfully. Jones comes here looking for advice. You want him or her to sort out the "chaff from the wheat." I want to him or her to do this most efficiently. Looks like our goals are the same. We are just debating the means. Besides, this is also a place where some of us like to have a little fun, and we don't take things (or ourselves) as seriously as some others here apparently do. I don't mind people having fun, including people making fun of me. I find some of Jerry's posts about me hilarious and I have brought them to the attention of my class. But if I have matters right, Leah was serious in her advice for the person with the aggressive GSD and so were Lone, Sionnach, and others in their condemnation of Leah's posts. Look, clearly RPDB offers people a common means towards diverse ends. My suggestion does not to limit RPDB. I offered a suggestion for regulars here who want to help those seeking good advice. As for those who come here for a good time, I say "party on!" Become a Wits' End Certified Dog Trainer in 2004 Just in time for Christmas, Chanukha, or Kwanza. Give the gift that will change your loved one's life! Be the first in your city to be a certified Wits' End Dog Trainer! Many read but few understand the Wits' End Dog Training Method. So, we at Wits' End have begun to offer certification and computer-based training. Our training methods for humans are as gentle as those for dogs. No frustration when your studying with the Wits' End Computer-Based Training System and err. You'll immediately hear the gentle shake of a virutal can filled with virutal pennies. And once you respond appropriately you'll hear your father or mother's voice gently saying "good boy" or "good girl." What could be easier? And certified Wits' End Dog Trainers are in demand! Imagine the money you'll make, the people you'll help, and the dogs that you'll train when you become a certified Wits' End Dog Trainer. Want to know more? Then dial "1-888-WITS-END" after you read the absolutely free manual! As a special bonus EVERYONE will receive free training on the Wits' End Dog Training Method II. It's 50% better than the original training method! And here's what people are saying about the Wits' End Dog Training Method: Anything your training method can do, we can do better. The Wits' End Dog Training Method is rec.pets.dogs.behavior's finest method. When you're out of The Wits' End Dog Training Method then you're out of method. When you say The Wits' End Dog Training Method, you've said it all. The Wits' End Dog Training Method works wonders. The Wits' End Dog Training Method always a step ahead. The Wits' End Dog Training Method, the world's most popular dog training method. The perfect gift: The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Be careful how you use it: The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Live better: The Wits' End Dog Training Method . The more you know, the more you'll want The Wits' End Dog Training Method. What's new for tomorrow, The Wits' End Dog Training Method brings you today. Method of Champions: The Wits' End Dog Training Method . If it's in The Wits' End Dog Training Method it's got to be good. With a name like The Wits' End Dog Training Method, it has to be good. The Wits' End Dog Training Method --uncommonly good. You can trust your dog to the trainer who wears the The Wits' End Dog Training Method certification star. You expect more from The Wits' End Dog Training Method and you get it. The most long-awaited development in dog training history: The Wits' End Dog Training Method. You can be sure if it's The Wits' End Dog Training Method. The Wits' End Dog Training Method is all you need to know about dog training. The greatest dog training method on earth: The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Things go better with The Wits' End Dog Training Method. The Wits' End Dog Training Method has the strength of Gibraltar. Perfect sits, everytime, with The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Every dog needs The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Your friends will love you for using The Wits' End Training Method. You'll meet better people with The Wits' End Training Method. They'll send you flowers when you use The Wits' End Training Method. After you've read the totally, absolutely free manual. Dial 1-800-WITS-END now! You can be certified after testing and 12 easy-to-make payments of $14,999.99. In addition, and for a limited time only, we will include the complete writings of the inventor of Wits' End Dog Training Method: Mr. Jerry Howe, Director of Biotrash Scientific. Now you will be able to read Mr. Howe's writings, _Only I Know_, in the comfort of your living room easy chair. No need to search the net for his countless original and profound contributions. You'll have them all at your finger tips. And if you call within the next 24 hrs, we will throw in a reading stand to help you with _Only I Know_, Mr. Howe's 114 lb opus. Don't wait, CALL NOW! Operators are waiting to take you!
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#28
December 5th 03, 12:47 PM
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In article writes:
On 5 Dec 2003 01:10:09 GMT, (Marshall Dermer) wrote: That's pretty much what happens right *here,* Marshall. Yes, sometimes it gets a little nasty, but so what? It's a nasty world, outside of that Ivory Tower of yours. Some day you'll probably have to come down from that tower, and your experiences *here* will help to prepare you for life in the REAL WORLD. 1. I can take whatever nasty stuff people want to dole out. 2. For me, the issue is helping people searching for good advice. This place does a pretty good job of that, Marshall. No, it's not a perfect place (what place is?), but the chaff eventually gets sorted from the wheat here, if not always politely or tactfully. Jones comes here looking for advice. You want him or her to sort out the "chaff from the wheat." I want to him or her to do this most efficiently. Looks like our goals are the same. We are just debating the means. Besides, this is also a place where some of us like to have a little fun, and we don't take things (or ourselves) as seriously as some others here apparently do. I don't mind people having fun, including people making fun of me. I find some of Jerry's posts about me hilarious and I have brought them to the attention of my class. But if I have matters right, Leah was serious in her advice for the person with the aggressive GSD and so were Lone, Sionnach, and others in their condemnation of Leah's posts. Look, clearly RPDB offers people a common means towards diverse ends. My suggestion does not to limit RPDB. I offered a suggestion for regulars here who want to help those seeking good advice. As for those who come here for a good time, I say "party on!" Become a Wits' End Certified Dog Trainer in 2004 Just in time for Christmas, Chanukha, or Kwanza. Give the gift that will change your loved one's life! Be the first in your city to be a certified Wits' End Dog Trainer! Many read but few understand the Wits' End Dog Training Method. So, we at Wits' End have begun to offer certification and computer-based training. Our training methods for humans are as gentle as those for dogs. No frustration when your studying with the Wits' End Computer-Based Training System and err. You'll immediately hear the gentle shake of a virutal can filled with virutal pennies. And once you respond appropriately you'll hear your father or mother's voice gently saying "good boy" or "good girl." What could be easier? And certified Wits' End Dog Trainers are in demand! Imagine the money you'll make, the people you'll help, and the dogs that you'll train when you become a certified Wits' End Dog Trainer. Want to know more? Then dial "1-888-WITS-END" after you read the absolutely free manual! As a special bonus EVERYONE will receive free training on the Wits' End Dog Training Method II. It's 50% better than the original training method! And here's what people are saying about the Wits' End Dog Training Method: Anything your training method can do, we can do better. The Wits' End Dog Training Method is rec.pets.dogs.behavior's finest method. When you're out of The Wits' End Dog Training Method then you're out of method. When you say The Wits' End Dog Training Method, you've said it all. The Wits' End Dog Training Method works wonders. The Wits' End Dog Training Method always a step ahead. The Wits' End Dog Training Method, the world's most popular dog training method. The perfect gift: The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Be careful how you use it: The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Live better: The Wits' End Dog Training Method . The more you know, the more you'll want The Wits' End Dog Training Method. What's new for tomorrow, The Wits' End Dog Training Method brings you today. Method of Champions: The Wits' End Dog Training Method . If it's in The Wits' End Dog Training Method it's got to be good. With a name like The Wits' End Dog Training Method, it has to be good. The Wits' End Dog Training Method --uncommonly good. You can trust your dog to the trainer who wears the The Wits' End Dog Training Method certification star. You expect more from The Wits' End Dog Training Method and you get it. The most long-awaited development in dog training history: The Wits' End Dog Training Method. You can be sure if it's The Wits' End Dog Training Method. The Wits' End Dog Training Method is all you need to know about dog training. The greatest dog training method on earth: The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Things go better with The Wits' End Dog Training Method. The Wits' End Dog Training Method has the strength of Gibraltar. Perfect sits, everytime, with The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Every dog needs The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Your friends will love you for using The Wits' End Training Method. You'll meet better people with The Wits' End Training Method. They'll send you flowers when you use The Wits' End Training Method. After you've read the totally, absolutely free manual. Dial 1-800-WITS-END now! You can be certified after testing and 12 easy-to-make payments of $14,999.99. In addition, and for a limited time only, we will include the complete writings of the inventor of Wits' End Dog Training Method: Mr. Jerry Howe, Director of Biotrash Scientific. Now you will be able to read Mr. Howe's writings, _Only I Know_, in the comfort of your living room easy chair. No need to search the net for his countless original and profound contributions. You'll have them all at your finger tips. And if you call within the next 24 hrs, we will throw in a reading stand to help you with _Only I Know_, Mr. Howe's 114 lb opus. Don't wait, CALL NOW! Operators are waiting to take you!
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#29
December 5th 03, 12:47 PM
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In article writes:
On 5 Dec 2003 01:10:09 GMT, (Marshall Dermer) wrote: That's pretty much what happens right *here,* Marshall. Yes, sometimes it gets a little nasty, but so what? It's a nasty world, outside of that Ivory Tower of yours. Some day you'll probably have to come down from that tower, and your experiences *here* will help to prepare you for life in the REAL WORLD. 1. I can take whatever nasty stuff people want to dole out. 2. For me, the issue is helping people searching for good advice. This place does a pretty good job of that, Marshall. No, it's not a perfect place (what place is?), but the chaff eventually gets sorted from the wheat here, if not always politely or tactfully. Jones comes here looking for advice. You want him or her to sort out the "chaff from the wheat." I want to him or her to do this most efficiently. Looks like our goals are the same. We are just debating the means. Besides, this is also a place where some of us like to have a little fun, and we don't take things (or ourselves) as seriously as some others here apparently do. I don't mind people having fun, including people making fun of me. I find some of Jerry's posts about me hilarious and I have brought them to the attention of my class. But if I have matters right, Leah was serious in her advice for the person with the aggressive GSD and so were Lone, Sionnach, and others in their condemnation of Leah's posts. Look, clearly RPDB offers people a common means towards diverse ends. My suggestion does not to limit RPDB. I offered a suggestion for regulars here who want to help those seeking good advice. As for those who come here for a good time, I say "party on!" Become a Wits' End Certified Dog Trainer in 2004 Just in time for Christmas, Chanukha, or Kwanza. Give the gift that will change your loved one's life! Be the first in your city to be a certified Wits' End Dog Trainer! Many read but few understand the Wits' End Dog Training Method. So, we at Wits' End have begun to offer certification and computer-based training. Our training methods for humans are as gentle as those for dogs. No frustration when your studying with the Wits' End Computer-Based Training System and err. You'll immediately hear the gentle shake of a virutal can filled with virutal pennies. And once you respond appropriately you'll hear your father or mother's voice gently saying "good boy" or "good girl." What could be easier? And certified Wits' End Dog Trainers are in demand! Imagine the money you'll make, the people you'll help, and the dogs that you'll train when you become a certified Wits' End Dog Trainer. Want to know more? Then dial "1-888-WITS-END" after you read the absolutely free manual! As a special bonus EVERYONE will receive free training on the Wits' End Dog Training Method II. It's 50% better than the original training method! And here's what people are saying about the Wits' End Dog Training Method: Anything your training method can do, we can do better. The Wits' End Dog Training Method is rec.pets.dogs.behavior's finest method. When you're out of The Wits' End Dog Training Method then you're out of method. When you say The Wits' End Dog Training Method, you've said it all. The Wits' End Dog Training Method works wonders. The Wits' End Dog Training Method always a step ahead. The Wits' End Dog Training Method, the world's most popular dog training method. The perfect gift: The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Be careful how you use it: The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Live better: The Wits' End Dog Training Method . The more you know, the more you'll want The Wits' End Dog Training Method. What's new for tomorrow, The Wits' End Dog Training Method brings you today. Method of Champions: The Wits' End Dog Training Method . If it's in The Wits' End Dog Training Method it's got to be good. With a name like The Wits' End Dog Training Method, it has to be good. The Wits' End Dog Training Method --uncommonly good. You can trust your dog to the trainer who wears the The Wits' End Dog Training Method certification star. You expect more from The Wits' End Dog Training Method and you get it. The most long-awaited development in dog training history: The Wits' End Dog Training Method. You can be sure if it's The Wits' End Dog Training Method. The Wits' End Dog Training Method is all you need to know about dog training. The greatest dog training method on earth: The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Things go better with The Wits' End Dog Training Method. The Wits' End Dog Training Method has the strength of Gibraltar. Perfect sits, everytime, with The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Every dog needs The Wits' End Dog Training Method. Your friends will love you for using The Wits' End Training Method. You'll meet better people with The Wits' End Training Method. They'll send you flowers when you use The Wits' End Training Method. After you've read the totally, absolutely free manual. Dial 1-800-WITS-END now! You can be certified after testing and 12 easy-to-make payments of $14,999.99. In addition, and for a limited time only, we will include the complete writings of the inventor of Wits' End Dog Training Method: Mr. Jerry Howe, Director of Biotrash Scientific. Now you will be able to read Mr. Howe's writings, _Only I Know_, in the comfort of your living room easy chair. No need to search the net for his countless original and profound contributions. You'll have them all at your finger tips. And if you call within the next 24 hrs, we will throw in a reading stand to help you with _Only I Know_, Mr. Howe's 114 lb opus. Don't wait, CALL NOW! Operators are waiting to take you!
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December 5th 03, 03:07 PM
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Good one dumbass you are one of the ones i was referring to but
dont expect your retarted ass to know that... "Handsome "Jack" Morrison" wrote in message ... : On 4 Dec 2003 18:45:41 GMT, (Marshall : Dermer) wrote: : : In article "Jokerpit" writes: : Do not post if you dont know **** about what your talking : about..And just because you saw it one time or read or heard : about something doesn't mean it is true.. : : I don't understand your response. : : The last person who was able to understand Silly Willy (aka : "Jokerpit") died back in 1995, when Silly was still in school. : : Kindergarten, I think. : : -- : : Handsome "Jack" Morrison : *gently remove the detonator to reply via e-mail : : Q: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. : A: Why is top posting frowned upon?
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