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Subject: When a dog bites
From: "Tara O." Date: Tue, Oct 21, 2003 7:57 PM Message-id: It differs depending on the severity of the bite and other pertinent details. Yup If a dog bites (not mauls) while unattended and off its property then AC will personally quarantine the dog because the owner showed that they can't be trusted to keep the dog supervised. Hmmmm That is not like that here. Of course it does depend on a lot of things. If its a bite on the dog's property and is not severe then AC will often let the dog remain at the home under quarantine. If its a second offense the dog is confiscated and can sometimes be returned depending on where/how the incident happened. WOW, I have to say nothing like that here. Three times and the dog is gone for good. Not here. If serious, disfiguring or disabling injury is inflicted then the dog gets quarantined at AC then euthanized after 10 days regardless of whether or not its a first offense. How often have you seen such happen? Anything that doesn't break the skin is considered a nip and the owners get a warning. If a second warning is issued, its accompanied by a fine. If a third warning is issued, its accompanied by a larger fine (it varies in range). If a 4th warning is issued then the dog can be confiscated or ordered pts. Alot depends on the situation and sadly enough on who the AC officer on call is. Yes Now what do you mean sadly enough? You think a dog that nips should be put to sleep? Don't you think it is the owners most likely? Different AC officers operate differently, even within the same town. Some could care less and act like they're being bothered when called. Some care alot and some are a bit too overzealous. I've found this to be true of many town AC officers but then if they're paid next to nothing, have a poor working environment and there's no incentive to care about the job then they're not going to. Next to nothing? I believe here the starting pay is around 48 for the part time officer and more of course for the full time officer. In fact I am thinking now it is even more. They have a brand new building, new vehicles,and are respected here by all of us. We also have five full time NRO's. Paulette~ -- Tara |
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Subject: When a dog bites
From: "Tara O." Date: Tue, Oct 21, 2003 7:57 PM Message-id: It differs depending on the severity of the bite and other pertinent details. Yup If a dog bites (not mauls) while unattended and off its property then AC will personally quarantine the dog because the owner showed that they can't be trusted to keep the dog supervised. Hmmmm That is not like that here. Of course it does depend on a lot of things. If its a bite on the dog's property and is not severe then AC will often let the dog remain at the home under quarantine. If its a second offense the dog is confiscated and can sometimes be returned depending on where/how the incident happened. WOW, I have to say nothing like that here. Three times and the dog is gone for good. Not here. If serious, disfiguring or disabling injury is inflicted then the dog gets quarantined at AC then euthanized after 10 days regardless of whether or not its a first offense. How often have you seen such happen? Anything that doesn't break the skin is considered a nip and the owners get a warning. If a second warning is issued, its accompanied by a fine. If a third warning is issued, its accompanied by a larger fine (it varies in range). If a 4th warning is issued then the dog can be confiscated or ordered pts. Alot depends on the situation and sadly enough on who the AC officer on call is. Yes Now what do you mean sadly enough? You think a dog that nips should be put to sleep? Don't you think it is the owners most likely? Different AC officers operate differently, even within the same town. Some could care less and act like they're being bothered when called. Some care alot and some are a bit too overzealous. I've found this to be true of many town AC officers but then if they're paid next to nothing, have a poor working environment and there's no incentive to care about the job then they're not going to. Next to nothing? I believe here the starting pay is around 48 for the part time officer and more of course for the full time officer. In fact I am thinking now it is even more. They have a brand new building, new vehicles,and are respected here by all of us. We also have five full time NRO's. Paulette~ -- Tara |
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Subject: When a dog bites
From: "Tara O." Date: Tue, Oct 21, 2003 7:57 PM Message-id: It differs depending on the severity of the bite and other pertinent details. Yup If a dog bites (not mauls) while unattended and off its property then AC will personally quarantine the dog because the owner showed that they can't be trusted to keep the dog supervised. Hmmmm That is not like that here. Of course it does depend on a lot of things. If its a bite on the dog's property and is not severe then AC will often let the dog remain at the home under quarantine. If its a second offense the dog is confiscated and can sometimes be returned depending on where/how the incident happened. WOW, I have to say nothing like that here. Three times and the dog is gone for good. Not here. If serious, disfiguring or disabling injury is inflicted then the dog gets quarantined at AC then euthanized after 10 days regardless of whether or not its a first offense. How often have you seen such happen? Anything that doesn't break the skin is considered a nip and the owners get a warning. If a second warning is issued, its accompanied by a fine. If a third warning is issued, its accompanied by a larger fine (it varies in range). If a 4th warning is issued then the dog can be confiscated or ordered pts. Alot depends on the situation and sadly enough on who the AC officer on call is. Yes Now what do you mean sadly enough? You think a dog that nips should be put to sleep? Don't you think it is the owners most likely? Different AC officers operate differently, even within the same town. Some could care less and act like they're being bothered when called. Some care alot and some are a bit too overzealous. I've found this to be true of many town AC officers but then if they're paid next to nothing, have a poor working environment and there's no incentive to care about the job then they're not going to. Next to nothing? I believe here the starting pay is around 48 for the part time officer and more of course for the full time officer. In fact I am thinking now it is even more. They have a brand new building, new vehicles,and are respected here by all of us. We also have five full time NRO's. Paulette~ -- Tara |
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On 21 Oct 2003 20:27:40 GMT Kind2dogs whittled these words:
I was wondering what happens in your town or city when there is a dog bite? Where does it get reported? Who comes out? What do they want to know? Do they quarantine the dog? Do they take the dog or can you have the quarantine at home? In my area it doesn't even require an actual bite, and it doesn't require a human be involved. My parents dog got loose and aggressively went after a smaller dog. No injury but very frightening. Animal control took the dog, would not allow home quarantine, inspected the fencing, required locks on the gates, and a "vicious dog" sign was required. They DID get the dog back though. My parents dog has not had a repeat so was not judged by this: "31602. "Potentially dangerous dog" means any of the following: (a) Any dog which, when unprovoked, on two separate occasions within the prior 36-month period, engages in any behavior that requires a defensive action by any person to prevent bodily injury when the person and the dog are off the property of the owner or keeper of the dog. (b) Any dog which, when unprovoked, bites a person causing a less severe injury than as defined in Section 31604. (c) Any dog which, when unprovoked, on two separate occasions within the prior 36-month period, has killed, seriously bitten, inflicted injury, or otherwise caused injury attacking a domestic animal off the property of the owner or keeper of the dog. HOWEVER, the law also allows local jursidictions to "impose a more restrictive program to control potentially dangerous or vicious dogs" And many have created programs where much less severe behavior is judged vicious. The only good thing is that California specifically states that "no program shall regulate these dogs in a manner that is specific as to breed." Diane Blackman |
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On 21 Oct 2003 20:27:40 GMT Kind2dogs whittled these words:
I was wondering what happens in your town or city when there is a dog bite? Where does it get reported? Who comes out? What do they want to know? Do they quarantine the dog? Do they take the dog or can you have the quarantine at home? In my area it doesn't even require an actual bite, and it doesn't require a human be involved. My parents dog got loose and aggressively went after a smaller dog. No injury but very frightening. Animal control took the dog, would not allow home quarantine, inspected the fencing, required locks on the gates, and a "vicious dog" sign was required. They DID get the dog back though. My parents dog has not had a repeat so was not judged by this: "31602. "Potentially dangerous dog" means any of the following: (a) Any dog which, when unprovoked, on two separate occasions within the prior 36-month period, engages in any behavior that requires a defensive action by any person to prevent bodily injury when the person and the dog are off the property of the owner or keeper of the dog. (b) Any dog which, when unprovoked, bites a person causing a less severe injury than as defined in Section 31604. (c) Any dog which, when unprovoked, on two separate occasions within the prior 36-month period, has killed, seriously bitten, inflicted injury, or otherwise caused injury attacking a domestic animal off the property of the owner or keeper of the dog. HOWEVER, the law also allows local jursidictions to "impose a more restrictive program to control potentially dangerous or vicious dogs" And many have created programs where much less severe behavior is judged vicious. The only good thing is that California specifically states that "no program shall regulate these dogs in a manner that is specific as to breed." Diane Blackman |
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On 21 Oct 2003 20:27:40 GMT Kind2dogs whittled these words:
I was wondering what happens in your town or city when there is a dog bite? Where does it get reported? Who comes out? What do they want to know? Do they quarantine the dog? Do they take the dog or can you have the quarantine at home? In my area it doesn't even require an actual bite, and it doesn't require a human be involved. My parents dog got loose and aggressively went after a smaller dog. No injury but very frightening. Animal control took the dog, would not allow home quarantine, inspected the fencing, required locks on the gates, and a "vicious dog" sign was required. They DID get the dog back though. My parents dog has not had a repeat so was not judged by this: "31602. "Potentially dangerous dog" means any of the following: (a) Any dog which, when unprovoked, on two separate occasions within the prior 36-month period, engages in any behavior that requires a defensive action by any person to prevent bodily injury when the person and the dog are off the property of the owner or keeper of the dog. (b) Any dog which, when unprovoked, bites a person causing a less severe injury than as defined in Section 31604. (c) Any dog which, when unprovoked, on two separate occasions within the prior 36-month period, has killed, seriously bitten, inflicted injury, or otherwise caused injury attacking a domestic animal off the property of the owner or keeper of the dog. HOWEVER, the law also allows local jursidictions to "impose a more restrictive program to control potentially dangerous or vicious dogs" And many have created programs where much less severe behavior is judged vicious. The only good thing is that California specifically states that "no program shall regulate these dogs in a manner that is specific as to breed." Diane Blackman |
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On 21 Oct 2003 20:27:40 GMT Kind2dogs whittled these words:
I was wondering what happens in your town or city when there is a dog bite? Where does it get reported? Who comes out? What do they want to know? Do they quarantine the dog? Do they take the dog or can you have the quarantine at home? In my area it doesn't even require an actual bite, and it doesn't require a human be involved. My parents dog got loose and aggressively went after a smaller dog. No injury but very frightening. Animal control took the dog, would not allow home quarantine, inspected the fencing, required locks on the gates, and a "vicious dog" sign was required. They DID get the dog back though. My parents dog has not had a repeat so was not judged by this: "31602. "Potentially dangerous dog" means any of the following: (a) Any dog which, when unprovoked, on two separate occasions within the prior 36-month period, engages in any behavior that requires a defensive action by any person to prevent bodily injury when the person and the dog are off the property of the owner or keeper of the dog. (b) Any dog which, when unprovoked, bites a person causing a less severe injury than as defined in Section 31604. (c) Any dog which, when unprovoked, on two separate occasions within the prior 36-month period, has killed, seriously bitten, inflicted injury, or otherwise caused injury attacking a domestic animal off the property of the owner or keeper of the dog. HOWEVER, the law also allows local jursidictions to "impose a more restrictive program to control potentially dangerous or vicious dogs" And many have created programs where much less severe behavior is judged vicious. The only good thing is that California specifically states that "no program shall regulate these dogs in a manner that is specific as to breed." Diane Blackman |
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"Kind2dogs" wrote in message
... Subject: When a dog bites From: "Tara O." If its a bite on the dog's property and is not severe then AC will often let the dog remain at the home under quarantine. If its a second offense the dog is confiscated and can sometimes be returned depending on where/how the incident happened. WOW, I have to say nothing like that here. You don't think a dog with a history of biting is dangerous enough to warrant a WOW but the consequences are? Three times and the dog is gone for good. Not here. I'm glad that's the case here. I have a problem with dogs who are known biters and allowed to continue biting. If serious, disfiguring or disabling injury is inflicted then the dog gets quarantined at AC then euthanized after 10 days regardless of whether or not its a first offense. How often have you seen such happen? I haven't personally seen it happen because I don't work in the shelter but I know *of* it happening. Most recently was a Boxer who mauled an infant in a baby swing. Anything that doesn't break the skin is considered a nip and the owners get a warning. If a second warning is issued, its accompanied by a fine. If a third warning is issued, its accompanied by a larger fine (it varies in range). If a 4th warning is issued then the dog can be confiscated or ordered pts. Alot depends on the situation and sadly enough on who the AC officer on call is. Yes Now what do you mean sadly enough? Because offenses that should have been given serious attention were let to slide while offenses that were minor, or where the dog was clearly provoked, resulted in the dog being confiscated. Its also not at all helpful to call AC because a dog gave you reason to fear for your safety only to have the AC officer act like you were bothering him/her. As public servants they should at least *try* to appear interested and helpful. You think a dog that nips should be put to sleep? Don't you think it is the owners most likely? I think it depends on the situation. No, I don't think its always the owner's fault. I don't buy into the theory that all aggression is based on some kind of human misdeed. There are dogs who are born with issues and who aren't trustworthy yet their owners don't know it until the dog does something. I think a dog that is allowed to nip enough to warrant AC attention on 4 occasions is a dog who doesn't belong with that owner *and* who is pretty much unadoptable in a shelter so there is no remaining option. Some care alot and some are a bit too overzealous. I've found this to be true of many town AC officers but then if they're paid next to nothing, have a poor working environment and there's no incentive to care about the job then they're not going to. Next to nothing? I believe here the starting pay is around 48 for the part time officer and more of course for the full time officer. That's regional difference for you. Police Officers only start at $27k here. I think AC starts at $18k They have a brand new building, new vehicles,and are respected here by all of us. AC doesn't have a building in my town. They operate out of the police department and all dogs are taken to the main county shelter. -- Tara |
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"Kind2dogs" wrote in message
... Subject: When a dog bites From: "Tara O." If its a bite on the dog's property and is not severe then AC will often let the dog remain at the home under quarantine. If its a second offense the dog is confiscated and can sometimes be returned depending on where/how the incident happened. WOW, I have to say nothing like that here. You don't think a dog with a history of biting is dangerous enough to warrant a WOW but the consequences are? Three times and the dog is gone for good. Not here. I'm glad that's the case here. I have a problem with dogs who are known biters and allowed to continue biting. If serious, disfiguring or disabling injury is inflicted then the dog gets quarantined at AC then euthanized after 10 days regardless of whether or not its a first offense. How often have you seen such happen? I haven't personally seen it happen because I don't work in the shelter but I know *of* it happening. Most recently was a Boxer who mauled an infant in a baby swing. Anything that doesn't break the skin is considered a nip and the owners get a warning. If a second warning is issued, its accompanied by a fine. If a third warning is issued, its accompanied by a larger fine (it varies in range). If a 4th warning is issued then the dog can be confiscated or ordered pts. Alot depends on the situation and sadly enough on who the AC officer on call is. Yes Now what do you mean sadly enough? Because offenses that should have been given serious attention were let to slide while offenses that were minor, or where the dog was clearly provoked, resulted in the dog being confiscated. Its also not at all helpful to call AC because a dog gave you reason to fear for your safety only to have the AC officer act like you were bothering him/her. As public servants they should at least *try* to appear interested and helpful. You think a dog that nips should be put to sleep? Don't you think it is the owners most likely? I think it depends on the situation. No, I don't think its always the owner's fault. I don't buy into the theory that all aggression is based on some kind of human misdeed. There are dogs who are born with issues and who aren't trustworthy yet their owners don't know it until the dog does something. I think a dog that is allowed to nip enough to warrant AC attention on 4 occasions is a dog who doesn't belong with that owner *and* who is pretty much unadoptable in a shelter so there is no remaining option. Some care alot and some are a bit too overzealous. I've found this to be true of many town AC officers but then if they're paid next to nothing, have a poor working environment and there's no incentive to care about the job then they're not going to. Next to nothing? I believe here the starting pay is around 48 for the part time officer and more of course for the full time officer. That's regional difference for you. Police Officers only start at $27k here. I think AC starts at $18k They have a brand new building, new vehicles,and are respected here by all of us. AC doesn't have a building in my town. They operate out of the police department and all dogs are taken to the main county shelter. -- Tara |
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"Kind2dogs" wrote in message
... Subject: When a dog bites From: "Tara O." If its a bite on the dog's property and is not severe then AC will often let the dog remain at the home under quarantine. If its a second offense the dog is confiscated and can sometimes be returned depending on where/how the incident happened. WOW, I have to say nothing like that here. You don't think a dog with a history of biting is dangerous enough to warrant a WOW but the consequences are? Three times and the dog is gone for good. Not here. I'm glad that's the case here. I have a problem with dogs who are known biters and allowed to continue biting. If serious, disfiguring or disabling injury is inflicted then the dog gets quarantined at AC then euthanized after 10 days regardless of whether or not its a first offense. How often have you seen such happen? I haven't personally seen it happen because I don't work in the shelter but I know *of* it happening. Most recently was a Boxer who mauled an infant in a baby swing. Anything that doesn't break the skin is considered a nip and the owners get a warning. If a second warning is issued, its accompanied by a fine. If a third warning is issued, its accompanied by a larger fine (it varies in range). If a 4th warning is issued then the dog can be confiscated or ordered pts. Alot depends on the situation and sadly enough on who the AC officer on call is. Yes Now what do you mean sadly enough? Because offenses that should have been given serious attention were let to slide while offenses that were minor, or where the dog was clearly provoked, resulted in the dog being confiscated. Its also not at all helpful to call AC because a dog gave you reason to fear for your safety only to have the AC officer act like you were bothering him/her. As public servants they should at least *try* to appear interested and helpful. You think a dog that nips should be put to sleep? Don't you think it is the owners most likely? I think it depends on the situation. No, I don't think its always the owner's fault. I don't buy into the theory that all aggression is based on some kind of human misdeed. There are dogs who are born with issues and who aren't trustworthy yet their owners don't know it until the dog does something. I think a dog that is allowed to nip enough to warrant AC attention on 4 occasions is a dog who doesn't belong with that owner *and* who is pretty much unadoptable in a shelter so there is no remaining option. Some care alot and some are a bit too overzealous. I've found this to be true of many town AC officers but then if they're paid next to nothing, have a poor working environment and there's no incentive to care about the job then they're not going to. Next to nothing? I believe here the starting pay is around 48 for the part time officer and more of course for the full time officer. That's regional difference for you. Police Officers only start at $27k here. I think AC starts at $18k They have a brand new building, new vehicles,and are respected here by all of us. AC doesn't have a building in my town. They operate out of the police department and all dogs are taken to the main county shelter. -- Tara |
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