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Old February 18th 05, 02:56 AM
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is their an ignore setting on here for this IAM person,cause he is
annoying or should i say HOWnoyying.
Anywho, let me clarify. the dog gets upset when she jumps on his Back
leg,not when she goes near him.someone told me it is something with all
rottweilers.Hip displacia or something He is a perfectly trained dog.
and i
mean i get compliments all the time and how well behaved he is.

But what everyone failed to address was the urinating on everything.
Anyone have any Suggestions.



















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hello group,
i am looking for answers. maybe you can help.
i have a new child a 16 month old.since the baby was brought into the

home my dog has become jealous.we have tried to play with him more.
give him more treats. take him out more. but now he has resorted to
urinating on all her toys, it is when no one is around, usually at
night.he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed.
i would also like to mention that everytime she goes near my dog he
growls.and now he has started to growl at my wife.
anyone know what i can do??


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On 14 Feb 2005 18:19:34 -0800, "pooteo" wrote:



i am looking for answers. maybe you can help.
i have a new child a 16 month old.since the baby was brought into

the
home my dog has become jealous.we have tried to play with him more.
give him more treats. take him out more. but now he has resorted to
urinating on all her toys, it is when no one is around, usually at
night.he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed.
i would also like to mention that everytime she goes near my dog he
growls.and now he has started to growl at my wife.
anyone know what i can do??



Yes - get a behaviorist to come into your home and work with you.
This is far too serious a problem to deal with over the internet.

The growl is a warning. If warnings aren't heeded, the behavior
escalates.


--
Leah Roberts, Family Dog Trainer
It's A Dog's World
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html
Get Healthy, Build Your Immune System, Lose Weight
http://re-vita.net/dfrntdrums


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On 14 Feb 2005 18:19:34 -0800, "pooteo" wrote


:


hello group,
i am looking for answers. maybe you can help.
i have a new child a 16 month old.since the baby was brought into

the
home my dog has become jealous.we have tried to play with him more.
give him more treats. take him out more. but now he has resorted to
urinating on all her toys, it is when no one is around, usually at
night.he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed.
i would also like to mention that everytime she goes near my dog he
growls.and now he has started to growl at my wife.
anyone know what i can do??



I would second Leah on finding some professional help. Definitely be
on the phone tomorrow.

In the meantime, you might want to try to reduce situations which
might cause a problem. It's not a solution, but it can help by
helping to prevent situations fromescalating too far.


If the dog has any toys, bones, treats and such laying around, pick
them up. Pick up the child's toys out of reach of the dog. Pick up
the food bowl after the dog finishes eating. Be aware of letting the
child near area the dog considers 'his' - like an eating area or a
sleeping area. Use baby gates to keep the dog and the child
separated.


And yes, it's advisable to get the dog neutered.


Ludwig Smith


Dog FAQS
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HOWEDY pooteo,



pooteo wrote:
hello group,



You mean 'HOWEDY Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing
Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE ACUTE LONG
TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES', pooteo.

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS.


Perhaps you never read HOWER forums.



i am looking for answers.



You've come to the right place but you
ain't followin the INSTRUCTIONS. You
could get burned like that. The Amazing
Puppy Wizard SEZ every thing you gotta
know to pupperly handle and train ALL
dogs and ALL children and ALL SP-HOWESES
NEARLY INSTANTLY is in your FREE copy
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual. Study the INSTRUCTIONS and
do and follow ALL the EXXXERCISES.

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Just ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you
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SUCCESS for all handlers and all dogs in
all fields or utilities and behaviors all over
the Whole Wild World {) ; ~ )



maybe you can help.



ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

"The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
Never Change,
Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
For All Handler's
And All Dogs,
And All Fields Or Utilities
ALL OVER
The Whole Wild World
NEARLY INSTANTLY,
As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
The Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ )



i have a new child a 16 month old.



You GET The Critter You TRAINED

A DOG Is A Dog;
As A KAT Is A KAT;
As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.


ALL Critters Only Respond In
PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
Which We Create For Them.


Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.



since the baby was brought into the
home my dog has become jealous.



"It is by muteness that a dog becomes
so utterly beyond value."

Like a confessor Priest?


"With him,
words play no torturing tricks.........., "
--John Galsworthy.


Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
Their behaviors reflect
HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ )



we have tried to play with him more.



This AIN'T abHOWET PLAYIN.


give him more treats.



Dogs are SCAVENGERS. They STEAL scraps
of food and run to hide to eat them with their
backs to the wall in a heightened state of alert.


take him out more.



That's irrelevent. This got to do with your EFFORTS
to TRAIN your dog to be GENTLE with anyWON he
meets. Trainin an aggression problem AIN'T NO
DIFFERENT than trainin a GARBAGE CAN RAIDIN
problem or C-HOWENTER SURFIN... or PERIMETER
trainin or ANY behavior on accHOWENT of dog trainin
AIN'T LUCK. "LUCK is for SUCKERS," The Puppy
Wizard's DADDY {) ; ~ )


but now he has resorted to urinating on all her toys,



He's UNHAPPY on accHOWENT of you scold
and threaten him to BE NICE to the baby and
not steal her STUFF.


it is when no one is around,



On accHOWENT of he KNOWS he'll be SCOLDED
again for that. You cannot SCOLD a DUMB CRITTER
or INNOCENT CHILD, pooteo. You'll LEARN THAT
and you'll LEARN HOWE to train your dog child an
SP-HOWES to be a PERFECT workin pack. But
you can't DO THAT using NUTHIN the EXXXPERTS
tell you on accHOWENT of THEIR METHODS DO
NOT WORK.

THEY MURDER DOGS LIKE YOU GOT, pooteo.



usually at night.



The IMBECILES will tell you to lock your dog
in a box to CURE the DOMINANCE PISSIN or
JERK and CHOKE IT on a pronged spiked pinch
choke collar like leah and melanie was just learnin
in the thread "Peeing Pomeranian". THEY HURT
DOGS LIKE YOU GOT, pooteo.

You got a dog who's like DYNAMITE if you push
IT'S BUTTONS withHOWET KNOWIN HOWE.



he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed.



The MENTAL CASES surgically sexually mutilate
dogs for these reasons. Surgical sexual mutilation
makes dogs FEAR AGGRESSIVE and causes other
heelth problems as yet not understood by the veterinary
community who PROFITS from this inapupariate
unnecessary cruel malpractice.


i would also like to mention that everytime
she goes near my dog he growls.



THAT'S ON accHOWENT of YOU SCARE HIM
when you THREATEN HIM when she approaches
and he GRHOWELS on accHOWENT of HE'S
AFRAID so YOU GRHOWEL LHOWEDER an
HE BLAMES the KID and THEN your Mrs. don't
SCARE HIM AS BAD so he BLOWS UP AT HER.

**** ROLLS DHOWEN HILL, pooteo.



and now he has started to growl at my wife.



And NHOWE you gotta decide. You gonna
be a dog abusing mental case or are you
gonna STOP HURTING and INTIMDATING
your dog and learn HOWE to MAKE HIM
NATURALLY WANT to PROTECT your
Mrs. and kid AS IT SHOULD BE?


anyone know what i can do??



You can go **** in your hat for all The
Amazing Puppy Wizard cares, pooteo.
Your CASE HISTORY will SERVE The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's HUMAN
BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORY
quite well, NO MATTER HOWE YOUR
DOG WORKS HOWET...

The CHOICE is YOURS. You can follow
the advice of the PROVEN LYING DOG
ABUSING PUNKG THUG COWARDS
and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASES or you can rehabilitate
YOURSELF NEARLY INSTANTLY and
THEN you can teach your DOG to RESPECT
the NEW YOU.


The Amazing Puppy Wizard {) ; ~ )


"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
can be judged
by the way its animals are treated."
~ Mohandas Gandhi -- Adapted with permission from
his FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
Wits' End Dog Training Method manual. } ; ~ )


There are NO grey areas between RIGHT and WRONG.


"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.


What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George


"Only the unenlightened speak of
wisdom and right action
as separate,
not the wise.


If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.


The level which is reached by wisdom
is attained
through right action as well.


He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."


"Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
indeed all creatures act according to their natures.


What is the use of compulsion then?


The love and hate which are aroused
by the objects of sense
arise from Nature,
do not yield to them.


They only obstruct the path." --
Bhagavad Gita, adapted by
Krishna with permission from
His FREE copy of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
Training Method manual {) ; ~ )


Force training JERRYIZES dogs and GETS THEM DEAD


All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer


"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.


"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.


ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?


,-._,-,
V)"(V
(_o_) Have a great day!
/ V)
(l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. {}YPW; ~ }
oo-oo


The Amazing Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ )


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From: (Leah)
Date: 04 Feb 2005 03:14:18 GMT
Subject: Dog fight, dog bite, aaaiiiieeeeee



ceb wrote:
I did yell NO!!! or STOP!!! or something like that.
It seemed to have no effect. I wonder if a loud,
long blast would work.



Stick your thumbs up their butts.

No, I'm serious. I've never done it, but I
hear it works a treat. Gross as it sounds,
I'm going to try it if I ever need to.
--
Family Dog Trainer
"It's A Dog's Life"


Family dog's life, eh leah? When the dog tries
to jump up on someWON just shove your thumbs
up ITS butt. But first, make SHORE you take a
good look an asses the situation:


From: -OFF (Leah)
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Subject: I Saw A Baby Corgi Butt!!!


Okay, so the owner thought I was nuts. :}


A 9-week old corgi came into the store today. I said,
"I've heard that there's nothing cuter on earth than a
baby corgi butt, so I have to see," and kneeled down to
look at the backside of the pup.


Ohmygoodness!!! That *is* terminally cute!!!


PetsMart Pet Trainer
See My Furry Family At:


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D


LIKE THAT... BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAA!!!


You're a LIAR A DOG ABUSER and a MENTAL CASE:


Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
about being mentally ill. Has taken
several other mentally ill medications
before settling on effexor for her chronic
mental problems. Recenly changed to
another ANTI PSYCHOTIC prescription.


"I don't think Jerry intentionally lies. I think he twists
things around in his own mind until he actually believes
what he's saying."


Jerry is the only poster here who gives dangerous
advice. Google for spike and squirt. And let's not
forget the times he's told posters whose dogs have
medical problems that his halfwits-end program could
cure them.


PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life


"It was kind of funny, in an absurd way. The rabbit
was completely still, eyes open and glazed, dried
blood in his ears and mouth, with his back legs
stiffening quickly.


It was her pet rabbit, not a wild bunny, so
that made it much harder for her.


And he was killed by bichons.


Her dogs had torn it apart. My one student who had
shown up (another weird thing about the night) and I
had to continuously check for heart and bowel sounds
for her, until she could accept that the rabbit was dead.


(The rigor mortis in his back legs she attributed to "pain").


Full moon.


Canine Action Dog Trainer
http://www.canineaction.com



Then she mentioned the names of her dogs,
and I immediately remembered them.



YOUR STUDENT, leah. Like that RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT Rottie who'd been in your SOCIALIZATION
classes since IT was ten weeks old who RECENTLY
MURDERED a little innocent DEAD DOG at the park.


I will always remember the dogs.



Yeah. You and ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN.


It's A Dog's World



On accHOWENT of it SHORE AIN'T
the BUNNY'S world noMOORE. You
want at PEEEEK at A DOG'S WORLD
in your neck of the woods, leah?:

"She bit me on the nose. That was a true bite.
Not unprovoked, but still a bite. The snarling
and barking was vicious - the bite was a quick
snap, and the cuts weren't deep."


"Once I was holding her bone for her while she
chewed it (something she loves). She mistakenly
put a tooth in my finger instead of the bone."


"The other time was something I reported here
because I thought it was funny. I was sitting on
the floor with my supposedly agile, coordinated
BC dancing around me, mouth hanging open
with tongue flopping goofily. She tripped over
my legs and fell tooth-first into my forehead."


"Oh, okay. One more, I guess. When I had only
had her a few days, and she hadn't yet learned
not to nip during play, she jumped up and grabbed
my t-shirt, pinching some skin. It hurt but, again,
there was no blood."


Subject: MAJOR Problem with Madigan:


"And something happened yesterday that I'm not
even ready to talk about. I'm too shocked, overwhelmed,
discouraged, upset... and it's 100% my fault because,
in retrospect, I see how I actually *trained* her to do it. Sigh.


Oh, okay. I said it out loud (or rather, wrote it out loud :},
so I might as well go on... (just changed the subject line,
too, because I fear this will turn into a rather volatile thread
on its own)...


She bit me.


Not nipped me. Bit me. Drew blood. A lot of it.


Left three holes in my nose.


I have never been bitten by a dog before.
Least of all my own puppy.


In fact, I denied it at first. "She didn't bite me,"
I told my husband. "She was just clumsy and
hit me in the nose with her teeth."


"She bit you," he told me. "You have tooth marks."


"I don't know what to do. I somehow took a gentle,
non-violent dog and trained her to bite. Not only that,
but to bite ME in the FACE! How do I address that now?"


"I've had dogs all my adult life, and thought I knew a
lot about them. It's only been since I got Madigan in
January and began training classes, reading books,
and hanging out *here* that I realized how LITTLE I
knew about training them. I made so many mistakes,
especially on my heart dog - my eskie - because he
was the only dog I had who had behavior problems.


He was yelled at, slapped, made to smell his messes
(at least I didn't push his nose IN them) and isolated
for long "time outs." I only wish I had it to do over again."



I kept teasing her in a way that made her
act out, then got right in her face.



Whatever. It was JUST WON TIME.


Stupid, stupid human.



Naaah. THAT ain't what makes you HOWET
to BE STUPID, leah. What makes you STUPID
is to think you know anything abHOWET trainin
dogs.


Canine Action Dog Trainer
http://www.canineaction.com



You MURDERED your own DEAD DOG Buck on
accHOWENT of you was TOO LAZY or TOO
MENTALLY ILL to WALK him:


My Life:



Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial
about being mentally ill. Has taken
several other mentally ill medications
before settling on effexor for her
chronic mental problems.

Here's you, arbitrarily MURDERIN your own
DEAD DOG Buck on accHOWENT of you
was TOO LAZY or TOO MENTALLY ILL to
WALK him on those cold central FL nites,
and followin THAT is your RECENT GRADUATE
STUDENT Rottie who RECENTLY MURDERED
a innocent little DEAD DOG in the park, thanks
to your PAW PATROL and SOCIALIZATION
and OBEDIENCE classes since he was ten
weeks old:


Really Bad Day
Date: 2004-03-21 17:34:07 PST


HOWEDY leah,



"Leah" -OFF wrote in message


...


The mom of a graduate student




BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

You're no dog trainer, you're a FRAUD.



interrupted my class,



Class??? You don't have trainin classes you
teach people to throw treats to dogs for mindless
unthinking behaviors and tell folks to jerk and
choke and shock dogs when bribing and avoiding
behaviors doesn't work an then you try to get HOWET
callin THAT, trainin.


in a state of shock,



AnyWON who'd trust you to train them to handle
their dog was in a state of shock or takin anti psychotic
meds before they started.


to tell me that her rottie had killed a little
dog at a dog park today.



Tough break. R.I.P., dog.


She wanted to know if she had to put him to sleep.



That's typical of a dog abusing coward, ain't it.


Mack is the quintessential dog-park dog.



You mean he likes to PLAY.


I've seen him play, with all sizes of dogs.



Yeah. A dog is a dog.


He's gentle, friendly, non-dominant, non-aggressive,
and has been going to the park weekly since he was
a puppy.



And he's been jerked and choked and scolded
and punished and bribed since you began messin
with him.


I was in too much of a state of shock myself



You mean, you was NORMAL.


to get details (like which park and what exactly happened),



Yeah. That'll be REAL important for trHOWEbleshootin
this behavior problem. Won't it, leah.


but she said he chased him,



And MOM couldn't call him off cause IT won't
come when called nor will IT do anything else
unless MOM is danglin a cookie in front of him.


picked him up and shook him,



Typical Rottie behavior, ain't it.


then grabbed his brother.



SHOWENDS like he was just HAVIN FUN,
like when you jerk and choked him to train him.


The other one survived.



Got LUCKY, eh leah?


Man. I tell my students in every class that dogs
are not little people in fur suits.



But that's just the begining. Then you teach them
to HURT and INTIMIDATE their dogs when they
can't BRIBE and AVOID their behavior problems.


They are animals.



They're able to HOWEtwit you and your ilk, leah.


They have no morals,



Perhaps that's just allelomimetic behavior?


and don't know right from wrong



AMAZING? Chalk THAT up to allelomimetic
behavior, for SHORE.


- only safe from not safe.



RIGHT. That's HOWE COME dogs ATTACK,
cause they're AFRAID of SUMPTHIN.


But then prey drive



You mean, when the dinner bell rings? Prey
drive ain't got NUTHIN to do with FEAR. Dogs
chase PREY to EAT, not have FUN. Dogs chase
THINGS on accHOWENT of the visual oral reflex,
not PREY drive. Unless they're chasin a bunny
their PREY is in their food dish.


rears its ugly head and really
shoves the message home.



The MESSAGE is, you've HURT the dog to
force control over IT and THAT'S HOWE
COME IT was AFRAID and ATTACKED,
not on accHOWENT of some IDIOCY
abHOWET PREY drive.


Because I'd bet that's what happened.



You're a MENTAL CASE a LIAR and a dog abuser.


This little white fuzzy guy whizzed by
Mack, and his prey drive kicked in.



No. He was afraid he was gonna GET HURT
for CHASIN IT, so he ATTACKED and MURDERED
IT on accHOWENT of he knew he'd GET HURT
for CHASIN IT.


Plain and simple.



Plain an simple indeed.


Not a bad dog,



Right. Dogs can't know from BAD behavior.
Dogs only respond ...
read more =BB

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On 14 Feb 2005 18:19:34 -0800, "pooteo" wrote


:


but now he has resorted to
urinating on all her toys, it is when no one is around, usually at
night.he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed.
i would also like to mention that everytime she goes near my dog he
growls.and now he has started to growl at my wife.
anyone know what i can do??



See a psychiatrist to ask why you are allowing this situation to
continue?

Neutering - because you sure don't need to be breeding that
temperament.


Placement with Rotti rescue, wh may or may not be able to place him.


TRAINING - have you ever done any?


Right now, your first job is to keep that baby safe. Do whatever is
necessary to do so.


--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com


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Bettina Jordan Feb 15, 6:36 am show options

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Please place the dog with a rescue group. Your baby is in danger. It
sounds like a very scary situation. I wouldn't care how much training
the
dog gets, I would still be afraid to have him share the same space as
my
baby.


My ex had a Doberman who almost took my sons face off when he was a
child.
I have a Labrador who is wonderful with my grandson. He uses her as a
pillow and rubs his little face in her fur.


Bettina



"pooteo" wrote in message


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hello group,
i am looking for answers. maybe you can help.
i have a new child a 16 month old.since the baby was brought into

the
home my dog has become jealous.we have tried to play with him more.
give him more treats. take him out more. but now he has resorted to
urinating on all her toys, it is when no one is around, usually at
night.he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed.
i would also like to mention that everytime she goes near my dog he
growls.and now he has started to growl at my wife.
anyone know what i can do??



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HOWEDY bettina,


Your dog is DYING from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME on accHOWENT
of you're a dog abusing MENTAL CASE:


From: "Bettina"
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:01:43 GMT
Subject: ECCESSIVE PANTING!


I noticed she has also become very fearful in the last year.
She trembles when she hears thunder and that started a
year ago.


She also seeks out cool places. The vet said there is nothing
wrong and the panting is normal. Could I be watching too much?


I am taking her in tomorrow for her shots and will bring it up again.


He showed me the blood levels which mean nothing to me.
T something or another and told me it is not cushings disease.


Any thoughts on this? She has no
other signs of cushings. She's my Baby.


Bettina & Cheyenne


Well today is the day..I dropped Cheyenne off at the vet's at 10AM.
I brought her pillow and her stuffed baby so she wouldn't think she
was being abandoned.


I am so nervous. He will do her surgery at 12 noon so please
pray for her. I just want her home. He said he will be able to
tell me if it was just a calcified cyst but it has to go to the lab to
be tested. I'm so scared. She looked at me with those big
brown eyes and I thought I would die


She trusts me, I felt so sorry for her.


Please keep praying for her.


From: "Bettina"
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:18:39 -0400
Subject: Cheyenne


We took the trip to the cardiologist on Friday. He said her
heart is structurally fine. The next step would be an event
monitor. He doesn't think the event monitor will show
anything even if we can catch it while it's happening. I
think this may be a seizure type thing. I am so upset. He
said I could go home and think about it. The thing is, I
could get her all hooked up, go back every five days and
nothing will happen so I'm trying to digest all of this. I
was also told that after all of these tests we might not find
an answer. I am so confused. I'm thinking and driving myself
crazy.


I have to decide if I want to do the MRI also.


A bit of humor on Friday. They took her for 45 minutes to do
the ultrasound. When they brought her out the young lady was
laughing so hard. She told me Cheyenne was stealing
everything. She stole a shoe and a cotton ball which she
swallowed. She is the only dog I know that loves to go to the
Vets office. She can't wait to get in. Wagging her tail and
all happy. All of the others are trying to hide under the
chairs.


Thank You All,
Bettina & Cheyenne


From: "Bettina"
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:34:27 GMT


Subject: Dog licking carpet


Hi There,


I asked my vet about that. My Labrador Cheyenne does that often.
Licks the
carpet or the quilt or sofa. He said they do that because they're
bored.
She gets lots of attention and has a toy box full of toys but she still

does
it at times. He also said they sometimes lick a spot on a paw over and

over and it can get so bad that it gets all raw.


Bettina & Cheyenne


From: "Bettina Jordan"
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 02:01:07 GMT
Local: Fri, Aug 17 2001 7:01 pm
Subject: Crate Training


When I bought the second book the shop owner was hysterical when
he found out Cheyenne ate the training book. She was very good
about not having any accidents but she was always ripping things up
and getting into big trouble.


She especially loves money. I guess it's the scent or something.


Bettina & Cheyenne


From: "Bettina"
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:55:20 -0400
Local: Tues, Jul 23 2002 8:55 am
Subject: Cheyenne Fell Down Again...


It happened again. There was no mistaking what happened this
time. She got excited when she saw our next door neighbor,
pulled to get to him and then her back legs went down. She
was alert through the whole thing, I think it lasted about 10
seconds which felt like a lifetime to me. This has happened a
few times before this. It doesn't always happen when she is
excited but each time it did she was excited. I hope I'm
making sense. I have a hard time putting my thoughts into
words. It has never happened in the house. It looked like her
back legs were useless. She tried to get up and rolled from
side to side on her flanks. She then got up and was fine. I
called the vet and he really didn't have much to say except he
was stumped and she was a healthy dog. I have been
researching all over the internet looking for clues.


I found something called degenerative myelopathy. It sounds
like what happens to my Cheyenne except they say it's a disease
in GSD and now they are finding it in Akitas and Corgis. I haven't
stopped crying since Thursday. I want to take her for an MRI
of her brain and spine. My friend told me they won't see it
with a cat scan but they do have a better chance of seeing it
with an MRI. I hate to put her through all of these tests.


I'm afraid to have her sedated. I'm afraid of everything
right now. My husband was yelling at me because of the cost
and told me I'm being crazy. I should leave her alone and stop
looking for things. I want you to know that he witnessed the
whole thing. Does anyone know of this disease? How costly
are these tests and do I have to leave her overnight. I can't
stand the thought of leaving her all alone.


She's such a baby. I never leave her alone for more than 2
hours at a time. I had to go to a party last week and called
a sitter to stay with her.


Walking her has become a nightmare for me. I
am terrified it will happen again. I try to avoid meeting
people on the street. I don't want her to get excited. This
is awful. You all know how Labs are. They love people and I
am trying to keep her away from them. Please someone give me
some answers. I love her to pieces and can't stand this.


Thank You,
Bettina & Cheyenne


From: "Bettina"
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:04:46 -0400


Subject: Cheyenne Fell Down Again...


I forgot to mention that she is 7 years old. She has
hypothyroidism and is on daily medication. She had a few
seizures as a puppy. We traced that to the flea and tick
pills she was taking. Also when this last episode happened
which was the worst, she had eaten a 500 milligram Tylenol 20
minutes before it happened. I called the emergency vet and
they told me not to worry. I am very careful but it had
fallen out of my pocket and she got to it before I could.


Thanks Again...
Bettina


From: "Bettina"
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 04:30:22 GMT


Subject: Heavy breathing or panting? A worry?


Hi,


My girl is 6 1/2 years and started that when she was 5.


She has been to her vet many times. She was overweight
and he thought she needed to have her thyroid checked.


It turned out she has hypothyroidism and will be on medication
for the rest of her life. She still does the panting thing and
it scares me to death. He keeps telling me she is fine but I do
still don't think the two things were related.


She has lost 15 pounds since taking the medication.


I hope someone has an answer.


Bettina & Cheyenne


Subject: Barking Barking Barking
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:46:47 GMT


HOWEDY bettina,



"Bettina Jordan" wrote in message


...


Hello Everyone,


Well it's been two years now that I've been watching
my grandson each day. Cheyenne my 9 year old Lab
loves the baby and the baby adores Cheyenne. The
big problem is still the barking.




BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

You should get rid of the dog and send
that innocent child to strangers to care
for, where he'll be safe from lying dog
abusing mental cases.



I tried the squirt bottle which only made her bark more.



Duh-Oh?


She was getting worse and worse.



Naaah?


I then tried pennies in an empty soda can.



That so? You been hearin abHOWET doin
THAT from The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Students all over the
Whole Wild World?

That doesn't work for dog abusers, so sorry, bettina.



It worked like magic.



INDEEDY. Always does. But NOT for dog abusers.


She stopped.



Of curse! But not for long.


Whenever I grabbed the can I didn't even
have to shake it anymore and she would
shut right up.



RIGHT!

THAT'S THE PROBLEM, dog abuser.


The dog FEARS you on accHOWENT of
you're using the penny can as an aversive,
like HOWE all the dog abusing EXXXPERTS
tell you HOWE to do it.



Well guess what......



Naaah. The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't
GUESS NUTHIN abHOWET behaviorISM.


That worked like magic for about a month.



THAT'S a SURPRISE! It shouldn't work
MOORE than a couple instances. THAT
SEZ your dog is EXXXTREMELY intimidated
by you, on accHOWENT of it seldom works
MOORE than a couple tries... You must be
quite a piece of work, eh bettina?


So now what?



GET RID of your dog and stay away
from innocent defenseless critters,
especially humans.


It doesn't do anything anymore



"IT DOESN'T DO ANY THING anyMOORE"
on accHOWENT of you're INTENT is to
INTIMIDATE and REPRESS the dog, NOT
TRAIN HIM, dog abuser.


so a got a huge can and tried that.



BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

You're a pathetic dog abusing mental case.



Doesn't even faze her.



OF CURSE NOT. Other than, of curse, than to
MAKE YOUR DOG FEAR and HATE YOU MOORE.


So please tell me what's going on?



You don't have the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit
the cunning of the domestic puppy dog even
after The Amazing Puppy Wizard and HIS
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Students all over the
Whole Wild World told you HOWE they done
it EZ GENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR
FREE, to boot.


I'm losing my mind here.



Naaaah. Was never there to begin with.

You're lying.



Thank You,



You're welcome.


Bettina & Cheyenne



BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!

HOWEDY People,


Can AnyWON ...

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Date: 15 Feb 2005 09:03:08 -0800
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HOWEDY janet,



Janet B wrote:
On 14 Feb 2005 18:19:34 -0800, "pooteo" wrote:


but now he has resorted to urinating on all her toys,
it is when no one is around, usually at night.he is a
rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed.



i would also like to mention that everytime she goes
near my dog he growls.and now he has started to
growl at my wife.



anyone know what i can do??




ALL temperament and behavior problems are
CAUSED BY ABUSE, not BAD DOGS.


See a psychiatrist to ask why you are allowing
this situation to continue?



YOU MURDER DOGS LIKE THIS, janet, on
accHOWENT of you're a lying dog abusing
MENTAL CASE a COWARD and a FRAUD.


Neutering -



Surgical sexual mutilation makes dogs FEAR
AGGRESSIVE and makes them physically ill.


because you sure don't need to be breeding that
temperament.



Surgical sexual mutilation got NUTHIN to do
with BREEDING janet. The body wasn't built
to live withHOWET the hormones you surgically
remove so your dogs will be perpetually FEARFUL
and SUBMISSIVE of you and your violence, janet.


Placement with Rotti rescue,



They'll MURDER THIS DOG just as you would.

Your own RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT nessa's
dogs TURNED ON HER thnanks to you teachin her
to choke and lock her dogs in the crapper. Three
years you tormented nessa and her dogs till they
TURNED ON HER and then you was fixin to MURDER
them for her and got MAD at paulette for offering to
HOWES two dogs with HANDLER AGGRESSION
as their CASE HISTORIES, thanks to your trainin.



who may or may not be able to place him.



You KNOW they'll MURDER a dog with a
HISTORY of child and handler aggression, janet.


TRAINING - have you ever done any?



INDEEDY! THAT'S HOWE COME HIS DOG IS
FEAR AGGRESSIVE of his small child JUST
LIKE HOWE your punk thug coward mental
case pal tara o. aka tee MURDERED HER
OWN DEAD DOG Summer for this SAME
SAME SAME SAME REASON.


Right now, your first job is to keep that baby safe.



You mean PUNISH the dog every time IT
gets SCARED of GETTIN PUNISHED for
lookin at the baby, janet? THAT'S HOWE
COME THE DOGS IS FEAR AGGRESSIVE
of small children.


Do whatever is necessary to do so.



HE HAS DONE WHATEVER IS NECESSARY
TO DO janet, THAT'S HOWE COME HIS DOG
IS TURNING ON HIS Mrs... on accHOWENT
of SHE CAN'T DO WHATEVER SHE NEEDS
to DO to be as ABUSIVE as pooteo has been
thanks to followin the ADVICE of dog abusing
mental cases like yourself, janet:


Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"J1Boss" wrote in message


...

He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss



"sionnach" wrote in message



...


"J1Boss" wrote in message
...


I can't imagine needing anything higher
than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
dog like a Lab.




An INSENSITIVE DOG???


I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.



=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D


after issuing a command that she did not listen to.



Your dog AIN'T gonna LISTEN to you if you're
using AVERSIVES impupperly, scotty opamp.

If you're gonna HURT and INTIMDIATE your
dog you GOTTA DO IT RIGHT or you're being
CRUEL, scotty opamp.


From: sionnach )
Subject: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST


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And Sally responded:
Who said that? I would never do or recommend
that, and neither would most of the regulars on here.
Sally Hennessey

I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so.
Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies
across the room!
here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a
12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
very persistant.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".


Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."



"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message


...


Di,
I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of
training. If you are interested in training retrieval
behavior than do consider our own Amy Dahl's:
The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-
Mannered, Obedient and Enthusiastic Gun Dog
in 10 Minutes a Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl



You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"

"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog
I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance
Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But
Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want
to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could
possibly get a good working dog by making them
unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
frosty dahl.



just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few
regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
--Marshall



amy lying frosty dahl continues:

"On the other extreme, the really ard dogs
we have trained require much more frequent
and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.)
to get the job done,


This is continued resistance to your increasing
authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome


Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield
the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them
more sharply


Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and
the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist!
Eventually, the dog will give in


but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch


You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb even get a studded collar
and pinch the ear against that


Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.


CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready
Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick
and no ear pinch.


When the dog is digging out to beat the stick
and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch,
you are finished


If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin,
say "No! Hold!"


(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because
the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided
it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.


"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."


lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:


"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
attributes to me," lying frosty dahl.


BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!


"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.


Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies
HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog
lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS?


"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."


The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.


We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...


Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should
knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw
him down by his ears and climb all over it like a
raped ape growling into his throat and bite IT on
his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch
choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel
of your palm.


"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.



The time following this displinary measure,



You mean PUNISHMENT. You cannot PUNISH
a DUMB ANIMAL and EXXXPECT IT to naturally
want to do ANY THING YOU ASK, scotty opamp.

UNLESS YOU CAN HURT IT EVERY TIME YOU
GOTTA HURT YOUR DOG TO MAKE IT WANT
TO DO AS YOU ASK.


Ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE.


That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's professor of
ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall
"SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face
for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes
contemplation" dermer:


From: Marshall Dermer )
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.


First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.


How much neck pulling and shaking?


Just the minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.


**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************


When our dog was a puppy, "No" came
..=2E.

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Bettina Jordan said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:



My ex had a Doberman who almost took my sons face off when
he was a child. I have a Labrador who is wonderful with my
grandson. He uses her as a pillow and rubs his little face
in her fur.



What's your conclusion from this? Is it bad vs. good training
or bad vs. good breed/dog?

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.


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You have no life. Poor thing.



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HOWEDY bettina,


Your dog is DYING from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME on accHOWENT
of you're a dog abusing MENTAL CASE:



From: "Bettina"
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:01:43 GMT
Subject: ECCESSIVE PANTING!



I noticed she has also become very fearful in the last year.
She trembles when she hears thunder and that started a
year ago.



She also seeks out cool places. The vet said there is nothing
wrong and the panting is normal. Could I be watching too much?



I am taking her in tomorrow for her shots and will bring it up again.




He showed me the blood levels which mean nothing to me.
T something or another and told me it is not cushings disease.



Any thoughts on this? She has no
other signs of cushings. She's my Baby.



Bettina & Cheyenne



Well today is the day..I dropped Cheyenne off at the vet's at 10AM.
I brought her pillow and her stuffed baby so she wouldn't think she
was being abandoned.



I am so nervous. He will do her surgery at 12 noon so please
pray for her. I just want her home. He said he will be able to
tell me if it was just a calcified cyst but it has to go to the lab

to
be tested. I'm so scared. She looked at me with those big
brown eyes and I thought I would die



She trusts me, I felt so sorry for her.



Please keep praying for her.



From: "Bettina"
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:18:39 -0400
Subject: Cheyenne



We took the trip to the cardiologist on Friday. He said her
heart is structurally fine. The next step would be an event
monitor. He doesn't think the event monitor will show
anything even if we can catch it while it's happening. I
think this may be a seizure type thing. I am so upset. He
said I could go home and think about it. The thing is, I
could get her all hooked up, go back every five days and
nothing will happen so I'm trying to digest all of this. I
was also told that after all of these tests we might not find
an answer. I am so confused. I'm thinking and driving myself
crazy.



I have to decide if I want to do the MRI also.



A bit of humor on Friday. They took her for 45 minutes to do
the ultrasound. When they brought her out the young lady was
laughing so hard. She told me Cheyenne was stealing
everything. She stole a shoe and a cotton ball which she
swallowed. She is the only dog I know that loves to go to the
Vets office. She can't wait to get in. Wagging her tail and
all happy. All of the others are trying to hide under the
chairs.



Thank You All,
Bettina & Cheyenne



From: "Bettina"
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:34:27 GMT



Subject: Dog licking carpet



Hi There,



I asked my vet about that. My Labrador Cheyenne does that often.
Licks the
carpet or the quilt or sofa. He said they do that because they're
bored.
She gets lots of attention and has a toy box full of toys but she

still
does
it at times. He also said they sometimes lick a spot on a paw over

and
over and it can get so bad that it gets all raw.



Bettina & Cheyenne



From: "Bettina Jordan"
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 02:01:07 GMT
Local: Fri, Aug 17 2001 7:01 pm
Subject: Crate Training



When I bought the second book the shop owner was hysterical when
he found out Cheyenne ate the training book. She was very good
about not having any accidents but she was always ripping things up
and getting into big trouble.



She especially loves money. I guess it's the scent or something.



Bettina & Cheyenne



From: "Bettina"
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:55:20 -0400
Local: Tues, Jul 23 2002 8:55 am
Subject: Cheyenne Fell Down Again...



It happened again. There was no mistaking what happened this
time. She got excited when she saw our next door neighbor,
pulled to get to him and then her back legs went down. She
was alert through the whole thing, I think it lasted about 10
seconds which felt like a lifetime to me. This has happened a
few times before this. It doesn't always happen when she is
excited but each time it did she was excited. I hope I'm
making sense. I have a hard time putting my thoughts into
words. It has never happened in the house. It looked like her
back legs were useless. She tried to get up and rolled from
side to side on her flanks. She then got up and was fine. I
called the vet and he really didn't have much to say except he
was stumped and she was a healthy dog. I have been
researching all over the internet looking for clues.



I found something called degenerative myelopathy. It sounds
like what happens to my Cheyenne except they say it's a disease
in GSD and now they are finding it in Akitas and Corgis. I haven't
stopped crying since Thursday. I want to take her for an MRI
of her brain and spine. My friend told me they won't see it
with a cat scan but they do have a better chance of seeing it
with an MRI. I hate to put her through all of these tests.



I'm afraid to have her sedated. I'm afraid of everything
right now. My husband was yelling at me because of the cost
and told me I'm being crazy. I should leave her alone and stop
looking for things. I want you to know that he witnessed the
whole thing. Does anyone know of this disease? How costly
are these tests and do I have to leave her overnight. I can't
stand the thought of leaving her all alone.



She's such a baby. I never leave her alone for more than 2
hours at a time. I had to go to a party last week and called
a sitter to stay with her.



Walking her has become a nightmare for me. I
am terrified it will happen again. I try to avoid meeting
people on the street. I don't want her to get excited. This
is awful. You all know how Labs are. They love people and I
am trying to keep her away from them. Please someone give me
some answers. I love her to pieces and can't stand this.



Thank You,
Bettina & Cheyenne



From: "Bettina"
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:04:46 -0400



Subject: Cheyenne Fell Down Again...



I forgot to mention that she is 7 years old. She has
hypothyroidism and is on daily medication. She had a few
seizures as a puppy. We traced that to the flea and tick
pills she was taking. Also when this last episode happened
which was the worst, she had eaten a 500 milligram Tylenol 20
minutes before it happened. I called the emergency vet and
they told me not to worry. I am very careful but it had
fallen out of my pocket and she got to it before I could.



Thanks Again...
Bettina



From: "Bettina"
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 04:30:22 GMT



Subject: Heavy breathing or panting? A worry?



Hi,



My girl is 6 1/2 years and started that when she was 5.



She has been to her vet many times. She was overweight
and he thought she needed to have her thyroid checked.



It turned out she has hypothyroidism and will be on medication
for the rest of her life. She still does the panting thing and
it scares me to death. He keeps telling me she is fine but I do
still don't think the two things were related.



She has lost 15 pounds since taking the medication.



I hope someone has an answer.



Bettina & Cheyenne



Subject: Barking Barking Barking
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:46:47 GMT



HOWEDY bettina,



"Bettina Jordan" wrote in message
...
Hello Everyone,



Well it's been two years now that I've been watching
my grandson each day. Cheyenne my 9 year old Lab
loves the baby and the baby adores Cheyenne. The
big problem is still the barking.



BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!



You should get rid of the dog and send
that innocent child to strangers to care
for, where he'll be safe from lying dog
abusing mental cases.



I tried the squirt bottle which only made her bark more.



Duh-Oh?



She was getting worse and worse.



Naaah?



I then tried pennies in an empty soda can.



That so? You been hearin abHOWET doin
THAT from The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Students all over the
Whole Wild World?



That doesn't work for dog abusers, so sorry, bettina.



It worked like magic.



INDEEDY. Always does. But NOT for dog abusers.



She stopped.



Of curse! But not for long.



Whenever I grabbed the can I didn't even
have to shake it anymore and she would
shut right up.



RIGHT!



THAT'S THE PROBLEM, dog abuser.



The dog FEARS you on accHOWENT of
you're using the penny can as an aversive,
like HOWE all the dog abusing EXXXPERTS
tell you HOWE to do it.



Well guess what......



Naaah. The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't
GUESS NUTHIN abHOWET behaviorISM.



That worked like magic for about a month.



THAT'S a SURPRISE! It shouldn't work
MOORE than a couple instances. THAT
SEZ your dog is EXXXTREMELY intimidated
by you, on accHOWENT of it seldom works
MOORE than a couple tries... You must be
quite a piece of work, eh bettina?



So now what?



GET RID of your dog and stay away
from innocent defenseless critters,
especially humans.



It doesn't do anything anymore



"IT DOESN'T DO ANY THING anyMOORE"
on accHOWENT of you're INTENT is to
INTIMIDATE and REPRESS the dog, NOT
TRAIN HIM, dog abuser.



so a got a huge can and tried that.



BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!



You're a pathetic dog abusing mental case.



Doesn't even faze her.



OF CURSE NOT. Other than, of




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HOWEDY lugnut,



Ludwig Smith wrote:
On 14 Feb 2005 18:19:34 -0800, "pooteo" wrote:


hello group,
i am looking for answers. maybe you can help.




BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

HOWE can you tolerate this kinda EMBARRASSMENT
and ABUSE from The Amazing Puppy Wizard every time
you post here abHOWETS, lugnut?


You've NEVER had NO ADVICE other than to
HURT INTIMDIATE GET RID OF or MURDER
DOGS to train them, lugnut.



i have a new child a 16 month old.since the
baby was brought into the home my dog has
become jealous.



We KNOW that's on accHOWENT of the
dysfunctional PARENT abusing and intimidating
the dog to keep the baby SAFE. THAT'S HOWE
COME your pal steve walker MURDERED his
own DEAD DOG Sampson, thanks to your advice.


we have tried to play with him more.



That's IRRELEVENT ain't it, lugnut.


give him more treats. take him out more.
but now he has resorted to urinating on
all her toys,



JUST LIKE HOWE janet boss's kat pisses
on her dog's bed when she PUNISHES THEM
despite that IT SLEEPS with the dogs.


it is when no one is around,



So his ABUSER won't CATCH HIM, isn't
THAT correct, lugnut? Isn't the CURE for
this to NOT ABUSE NO WON in the HOWES?


usually at night.



When IT won't GET CAUGHT and PUNISHED.


he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed.



Of curse the MENTAL CASES here abHOWETS
think that surgically mutilating the dog will make
IT NOT FEAR the child whom IT GETS PUNISHED
FOR paying ATTENTION to...


i would also like to mention that everytime
she goes near my dog he growls.



The dog is just COPYING his ABUSER.

AIN'T HE, lugnut. It's CALLED allelomimetic
behaivor ain't it, lugnut. You never heard of
THAT pryor or you'd NEVER HURT and
INTIDMIATE a dog to "train IT".


Would you, lugnut.



and now he has started to growl at my wife.



AS HE'S BEEN TAUGHT.


anyone know what i can do??



The OP is gonna have to STOP HURTIN
and INTIMDIATING his dog, ain't that
CORRECT, lugnut.


I would second Leah



Yeah. But leah is a lying dog abusing punk
thug coward and active acute long term
incurable MENTAL CASE, like yourself.

REMEMBER lugnut?:


Leah's Pinch Collar Class


HOWEDY Charlie,


"Charlie Wilkes" wrote
in message


Disappointed in you , Leah .



You don't expect a leopard to change his
spots, do you Charlie?


Some of your training posts I copied to pass on



SEE? That's on accHOWEnt of you smoke too much of that
BC bud... must be pretty good STUFF, but should only
be used in an institution under prescription of a
licenced psychyotherapist, IMNTBHO.


but this saddens me.



LikeWIZE, Charle. Both for the dogs leah is abusing
and for yourself who's evidently succumbed to the
evils of the killer weed.


"* I think it was out of surprise, not pain. *"



leah is a pathological liar like lying "I LOVE
KOEHLER" lynn, Charlie.


If there is *any* doubt of a tool causing pain why
are you using it?



BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT DOG ABUSERS DO, Charlie.
Look in The Puppy Wizard's Archives. You'll SEE these
lying dog abusers ALL have a VERY LONG HISTORY of
HURTIN and KILLING DOGS and LYING abHOWET it to
defend their alleged RIGHT to HURT and KILL dogs to
suite their fragile defective ego's and compensate for
their weak minds and inferiority complexes.


Christ. This is way overblown.



You've SEEN there's NO appupriate way HOWE
to HURT dogs to train them.


A twinge of pain that lasts a split second is



What makes dogs VICIHOWES and GETS PEOPLE
and DOGS DEAD.


Ask Diane Whipple. INAPPUPRIATE HANDLING and
TRAINING is what KILLED HER, not viciHOWES dogs.


The Puppy Wizard intends to PROVE THAT IN COURT
and get LAWS WITH TEETH PASSED PROTECTING
dogs and children from HOWER DOG LOVERS and
PARENTS PREFERENCES for TOOLS and METHODS
which makes CRIMINALS and WAR.


not the same as beating the damn dog.



IRRELEVANT, Charlie. The Puppy Wizard HIGHLY
recommends you detox from that killer weed so you'll
be able to work with whatever is left of your blHOWEn
away crippled mind.


Let's think critically for half a second, okay?



Put down that BC weed for a week and THEN we can
discuss it.


My experience is that minor, transient pain from
touching a sharp object that doesn't penetrate my
skin, is an instructive rather than traumatizing
experience.



You're an adult human being and UNDERSTAND the risks
and consequences of dealing with dangerHOWES
substances.


I have observed that my dog seems to have about the
same reaction, even though such stimuli, in her
case, have resulted from encounters of her own
choosing.



Right. The dog learns to FEAR porcupines, hot stuff,
and bees.


I say "ouch!" when I poke my wrist with a sharp
piece of sheet metal



You ain't main line runnin that BC weed. are you,
Charlie? HOWE do you cook it down in them little
spoons?


while working on something.



Perhaps you wouldn't be inclined to DO THAT if you had
your Wits' abHOWET you?


A dog yelps when someone yanks on a prong collar.



INDEED. That INHIBITS LEARNING, Charlie, as the dog
ONLY focuses on the PAIN, not the so called LESSON.


I re-position my hand to avoid the jagged point of
metal;



As the dog attempts to ESCAPE.


the dog adjusts its behavior to avoid further tugs
on the collar.



NO. The dog FEARS his abuser and tries to ESCAPE.
That's HOWE COME HOWER DOG LOVERS cannot
TRUST their dogs OFF LEAD.


People and dogs are to some extent designed to make
these adjustments without a lot of thought,



INDEED. They REFLEX and DEFEND themselves
or RUN HOWET on their abuser.


and without a lot of trauma



The amHOWENT of PAIN is IRRELEVANT.


The FEAR is permenantely inscribed on the dog's
REFLEXIVE MEMORY and will be restimulated any
time the associated COMMAND IS GIVEN. That's
HOWE COME HOWER DOG LOVER'S DOGS BREAK
THEIR COMMANDS.


That's HOWE COME lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn's
SAR dog JIVE WILL NOT SAR a REAL LIFE SAR JOB,
cause HE KNOWS SHE CANNOT HURT HIM IF
SHE DOES NOT KNOW WHERE THE FIND IS.


Conversely, HE KNOWS SHE CAN AND WILL HURT HIM
IN THE TRIAL RING, so consequently, HE GETS HIGH
SCORES IN THE RING ONLY. It's the REVERSE a well
know condition called RING WISE.


provided the pain is not intense or lasting or
associated with physical injury.



IRRELEVANT. PAIN PRODUCES FEAR. FEAR
CAUSES FLIGHT OR FIGHT. Any time the dog
is given a command taught with PAIN or FEAR,
the dog MAY REFLEX to F/F mode, and ATTACK
his abuser or anybody nearby. leah HAS BEEN
BITTEN 5 TIMES by her dog Madigan cause SHE
ABUSES HER.


That's how we learn to get around in a hazardous
world, right?



If you wanna come HOWET lookin beat to rat **** like
you and ME Charlie, that'll work... The Puppy Wizard
wouldn't wanna put nobody but HOWER LYING DOG
ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARDS thru the PAIN HE'S
endured.


Leah says she's experimenting



We EXPERIMENT with drugs and masturbation, not HURTIN
DOGS. UNLESS of curse, you're a descartean scientist,
like professor SCRUFF SHAKE.


Take a look at his most recent thread with his little
dog Maxie The Magnificent OBSESSIVELY COMPULSIVE
Masturbator's digestive disorders... THAT'S sumpthin
The Puppy Wizard has been teachin abHOWET here for 5
years NHOWE, Charlie.


IT'S A PREDICTABLE REFLEXIVE VISCERAL
RESPONSE to FEAR of PUNISHMENT and
anxiety related to withholding bribes.


and is not committed to this approach.



leah is and always has been a pathological liar and
dog abuser and is committed to HURTING HER DOGS when
she can't force or intimidate them to do as she wants.
She MURDERED her dog Buck cause she didn't want to
brave the cold Central Florida nights to walk him on
accHOWENT of she wouldn't stop treating his congestive
heart failure with PIZZA and FRENCH FRIES for which
he needed LASIX.


FIGGER IT HOWET GODDAMNEIT


What we're talkin abHOWET is CRIMINAL INSANITY.


"What's wrong with that?"



NUTHIN. That's HOWE COME we got INSANE ASYLUMS.


"I don't think MacKenzie is going to suffer any trauma."



Not til she gets the OPPORTUNITY TO ESCAPE
and gets shot by a dog lover like diddler or lying
lois e... like peejoe's DEAD DOG or POISONED
like perry's DEAD DOG Maggie.


"One reason dogs make such wonderful friends is
because they live in the moment and they don't nurse
grudges unreasonably. "



The Puppy Wizard sez you got to lay off the BC
KILLER WEED for a week or so to straighten
HOWET your thinkin.


Charlie




on finding some professional help.



"

Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
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I think with this particular dog it was bad vs. good training.



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Bettina Jordan said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:


My ex had a Doberman who almost took my sons face off when
he was a child. I have a Labrador who is wonderful with my
grandson. He uses her as a pillow and rubs his little face
in her fur.



What's your conclusion from this? Is it bad vs. good training
or bad vs. good breed/dog?



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HOWEDY poote,


DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST
HERE abHOWETS, and YOU KNOW
IT:


Subject: Discipline
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:43:46 -0500
From: Amanda
To:
On Wednesday 15 January 2003 01:54, "N wrote:


i responded in katie's mail.. youll get it before this one
i'm not the expert.. mr. howe is teaching me.. and im
figuring alot out.. plus its just coming to me.. two months
ago i would cry cuz i was soooo lost... and now i go ahead
and live it... like he gave me just enough for my brain to fill
in the rest?


when i would swat in my early parent years.. up until i got
crunchy this last year.. i swore spanking was great.. a lil
bit of fear in yo' momma is what i would say.. and my family
supported me.. you can spank and not be abusive.


then i felt guilty... not because i knew better, but becuase
you guys and others did it wihtout spanking.. better than
me... but i would still say i just have bad kids.. then i
started feeling guilty.. asked for help.. got some advice
and it worked some.. but not much.. enought to make me
think i did it.. then it wouldn't help..


then i heard him tell someone on the news group
"Do you think hitting babies is intelligent" and i was
like whoa.. now i feel like cocka and pray every time
i distract them that they can somehow grow up not
to hate me.. and i pray i caugh myself in enough time.


On Friday 27 December 2002 14:52, Amanda wrote:


Ugh.. I feel so stupid. Now I see all of my mistakes.
And I feel so retarded. I can write a writ of mandamus
and and somehow understand property law.. but this
is... well.. confusing. I read the manual.. I have a
photographic memory and for the life of me cannot
figure out why I still am mishandling my dog when
I have the frigging manual!


Although, lemme tell you.. your emails are much more ...
easier to understand?


Anywho.. Kelly shared water with moo today and let
him eat.. she hates her food and likes his.. so i serve
one bowl.. tonight she barked at our neighbors dog
while he ate.. and then she ate. She growled at the
lil girl she nipped.. Ayla.. the handicapped one. I had
Sara (her mum) hold her on the floor with moo (kelly
was nursing, ayla came close and kelly growled)
while chris had kelly on a lead (no slack, but for safety
reasons.. cuz if kelly nipped and someone found out
she could be labeled aggressive).. and kelly did beautifully.


She sat, downed and stayed.. and lemme tell ya..
first time this dog ever stayed.. and when i got sick
of the barking i stuck my head out the door and yelled
good girl.. and she came right in....


tomorrow we are going to petsmart to really work the
praise with strangers and other dogs (screw the idiot
who says i shouldn't use a retractable lead..


i know my dog).. and we'll do the fplx somewhere on
our way there.. perhaps an empty lot...


Are all of the people you help in this much need of
hand holding? Cuz I still feel like a dolt despite my
dog learning this stuff in miliseconds and succeeding
far better than i.. despite the peepee on my floor last night.



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Subject: Discipline On Tuesday 14 January
2003 20:47, T__ wrote:


funny you bring this up... i met the most wonderful couple..
man and wife.. he's a dog trainer.. all his life who uses a
technique that is ONLY praise and distraction with some
family pack exercises.


They spent the day with us sunday helping me on my two
pits... one is a protective/aggressive 20 month old female
who is my bubby and our 7 week male pup. anyway..
not only did i nip any and all aggression issues in mere
minutes... he and his wife helped me with my kids. I was
and always have been a spanker. It is all i knew how.. i
never, ever wanted to be.. but i was. my house/kids were
out of control.. i was always stressed.


Since he and his wife came down sunday we've had a
HUGE change... for the first time the kids didn't destroy my
house before i woke up... my 3yo was in my bed coloring
waiting for us to wake up... this is the first time she ever
used paper she usually does walls, furniture.


Anyway.. he told me to use sound/praise..


and it works.


I have a 6 yo, 3.5 yo who is psycho child and a very
bad-a$$ 19 month old. They are all smarter than I am
and know it There has not been a temper tantrum
in two days in my house.


You guys have no idea how great this is.


But best of all..


this method does NOT use the evil eye or a tone of that is
in any way short of absolute praise.. no shouting.. not
even a quiet Chloe!.. nada..


ONLY praise.


They even taught my kids not to take candy unless i say so..
(my oldest will literally let you pierce her ears for candy.. it's
been done twice and i keep taking em out) and now the bag
of blow pops i forget on the floor in my closet (where we
keep the girl's dressed) is still there and NO ONE has
eaten one!


My 3 yo is even helping me pick up the house..
the baby took my lingerie chest apart.. and she cleaned it
up! first time! They don't even go out the open door
without my offering it! they helped me sort laundry..
clean the living room... im amazed.


The 3 yo got some yogurt from the fridge andwalked
to our kitchen table, sat down and ate it.. she REFUSES
to sit at the table and eat!


We also taught them and the dogs to sit pretty so when
they're climbing on my couch.. i go Can you show me how
you sit pretty?? and they ALL hop down and show me to sit
pretty with their feet NOT on the cofee table.. hands
friggin folded.. i almost fell over.. thanks for reminding
me to share my joy! I'm not a spanker! I don't even yell!
lol! here i picked names that shout well and i don't
need em!!!
Subject: Possessiveness- toys/food w/ children
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:04:57 GMT


Subject: Re Discipline. Also, SLEEP! Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003
02:38:46 -0500 From: Amanda


Can you go into this a little more? How did they
accomplish all this in one day?



My learning is progressive. I email or call him with
questions. But, i'm getting most of it myself. Something
clicked.


How would we do it with our families?


that is kind of broad.. ask me specifics... or i'd still be
typing when your kids are in college


I really have problems controlling my temper when I am
already stressed out and then C__ is hurting me:



Me too.. i was abused... my mom was psycho... and i had
problems with anger.. i took it personally when my 6 yr old
wouldn't clean her room... i would sometimes cry is was so
strung out.. i didn't wanna spank but i didn't know what to do
instead.. so i spanked.. and then spanking didn't work.. and
then my dogs went nuts and i called this trainer and he showed
me how to do it.


pulling my hair, scratching me, slapping me, etc.


Mine hit me on purpose alot.. scratching.. climbing on me..
hurting me and then laughing.


Now as I post.. please don't think im trying to be a know it
all.. i simply wanna relay what i have learned... as it is
i've only been spank free for a week now and yell free for two
days (my neighbors two streets over are happy


Children, dogs, people.. they do thinks wrong because it
elicits your ultimate attention. Does your 3 year old enjoy
fingerpainting on walls? no... do they enjoy fighting the
minute you pick up the phone?? No.


They *know* they can command your attention.. and that's
what they want. same reason your dogs fight.. they think it
is controlling you.


Your kids want you watching their every move.. making sure
they eat.. dont talk to strangers.. because it means you are
watching THEM and not them watching you as it should be. they
should stay within x feet of you.. because they like mom and
she's cool and she keeps em safe... they shouldn't run and
expect you to chase them.. because you won't always be there
to chase them... that's how kids die or get lost.


When they learn to follow you.. it's all good.


Now, take my 19 mo old. She had this habit of sipping 4 oz
from her bottle and demanding more. if i didn't refill it..
she threw a hgue fit. Now she hands me her bottle and says
more.. and i tickle her... then i pick up her bottle and
pretend im drinking it.. i offer her a drink and snatch it
back saying MY Baba!! She wants that bottle.. so she takes it
and drinks it.. even tho i didn't refill it. we had a huge
problem with them taking things they cant have and when i
wanted it they ran... now i give the baby (19mo) my finger..
and she grabs it.. and i wiggle and shout My finger! that's
mine! Gimme it back.. playfully.. and she resists.. and i go
"Ooh.. can i have it please?" and she gives it to me and i
gleefully say Thank you! and she says you're welcome.. and i
give her the finger back... then i hand her say a lighter...
and we wrestle for a minute.. and i say... can i have that???
and she gives it over etc. Of course sometimes she'll have a
cool! book! and ill ask can i have that.. and shell say No.
and i say that's ok! and tickle her or snap my fingers and
say good girl naya.. good job.. then ill start my game again
and wrestle and try to take it gently... then.. can i have
that??? she gives it over. this works with everything now.


Or when he's ripping up my homework or something like
that.



Yea... with the dog training you hide nothing.. no forced
control. you set the dog up for fail.. so you can distract
and praise and erase the thought.. same with the kids. Put
some unimportant paper all over.. when he goes to touch it..
make a sound and distract him.. then good boy, that's a nice
baby!... then repeat.. the minute he goes for the paper and
breaks the thgouth you throw him in the air and praise like
mad!


How would I apply this in those situations? Also, what do
you do in 'danger' situations (until you're close enough
to distract them) - climbing on things, sticking metal
objects into electrical outlets, trying to get into the
oven, etc.?



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Bettina Jordan said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:



I think with this particular dog it was bad vs. good training.



Thanks for clarifying.

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Subject: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST


Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:



I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have, Solo
joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.



Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
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From: Rocky )
Subject: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14


(Jerry Howe) wrote in
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By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are
suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If
that's what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around
the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of
crap has got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of
dealing with behavior problems.




Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.

Why did you blow it?


--Matt



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. 1.4...

Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:



When you compare using sound and
praise to solve a problem with using
shock collars, hanging, and punishment
how can you criticize the use of sound?



There's nothing more to be said, then.
You've made up your mind.



But you've impressed me by mentioning
that you're a professor with 30 years of
experience.



So, can you cite some examples of
people recommending "shock collars,
hanging, and punishment"?
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.



BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!



Jerome Bigge writes:
I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often
make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter,
neither of which we want to do.


And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
No matter what Jerry Howe states.
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.




From: Rocky )
Subject: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST

Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:



I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have, Solo
joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash.



Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This (Destructive Separation
Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few
Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME
The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33
Years Experience.


You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for
her coment above regarding her success with
The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation
Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive
Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)?


Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z,
who commented that his bed time calming technique
was quite similar?



You're scary Marilyn.
Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.
I feel very sorry for her and her family.



"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.

BUT, giving you the benefit of the
doubt, please provide a quote (an
original quote, not from one of Jerry
Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
shows a regular poster promoting or
using an abusive form of training.
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.



BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!


Is that true, Marilyn?


Of course not~ but THIS IS:


"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.


"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will
Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe.
This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times
It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "Courteous Canine."


"I have heard advice stating that you should
pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work
as efficiently as possible. What does this mean?


When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior." --Mike Dufort author of the zero selling
book "Courteous Canines"



Psychoclown wrote:
Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure.



Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and
says:
lying frosty dahl says:

"To me, training a dog without using intimidation,
confrontation, or punishment is, indeed, everything. I
certainly reject "force" as Marilyn defines it. And "fear"
can be included under the category of intimidation.


Not a one of these is constructive in the training
of a dog; all are bad for the dog/handler relationship,
the dog's confidence, the dog's ultimate potential, etc.


But I do make use of tools and methods which I believe to
cause physical discomfort, including electric collars, pinch
collars, chain collars, switches, and the ear pinch.


I just don't equate the reaction with the tool/method--I look
at the dog to know its reaction. I think that is what some
people don't do: they are so full of surmises about what
causes what, that they never bother to regard the dog as
the authority.


I don't beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the
benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses
not to read the article (SHE'D REALLY LIKE IT IF
YOU DON'T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of
"twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH
SPIKES).


I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO
BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM).


I would never advise anyone to slap a dog
(SHE'S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you
expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???).


I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever,
where slapping a dog is anything but destructive."


RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists... and chin cuff
doesn't mean hit, it means slap. amy lyingfrosty dahl
continues:


"On the other extreme, the really hard



dogs we have trained
require much more frequent and heavy application of
pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,
and the job is not done until it is overcome
Get


a stick 30- or 40-inches long.

You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less
tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking
them more sharply


..

With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'


Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the
stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to
the dummy.


Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,


Now you are ready to progress to what most
people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.



Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent
that resisting your will fades in importance


..


but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb;
even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that


Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy
against its lips and pinching its ear.

if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.



Try pinching the ear between the metal casing
and the collar, even the buckle on the collar.
Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in


"


sinofabitch writes:
What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
posts from two different people,
took pieces of them out of context,
cobbled them together,
then added his own words:



"Neatly," and "Smartly."


and a fake signature.



"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.



- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Which is exactly what he did.
The actual quote is misleading
when taken out of context, and Jerry's
faked "quote" is downright meaningless.


Here's Jerry's version



"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.



Here's yours;



"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach




BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.


"When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED
FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.


BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!


From: Mark Shaw )
Subject: Fido-Shock
Date: 2002-04-10 14:12:18 PST


In article gWLs8.203228$af7.101030@rwcrnsc53,



"Coleman Brumley" wrote:

Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock).
If so, what model number, voltage, etc.?




If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system, I have
one. It's to keep boarded dogs out of my flowers.


I have a 1.5 year St Bernard who is scaling (not clearing --
more like falling over) our 4 foot fence to visit with owners
walking their dogs. I thought of raising the fence a foot or
so, but don't think that'll solve the problem. I've tried
watching her outside, and give a stern "NO" when she
props on the fence for a peek over it. No avail.


I've heard this product works after just a couple of tries.




I take it you're considering running the wire across the top
of the fence? I don't think I'd recommend that, although it
may be worth a try. Watch closely -- the one case where I
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Your dog is DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE on accHOWENT of you're a
dog abusing MENTAL CASE like the rest of your
PALS here abHOWETS {) ; ~ )


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HOWEDY dogsnuts,


You're a pathetic mental case...


"misty" wrote in message
news:

...


I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know
she's not here with us. I really can't blame anyone
here for her loss. I'm the one who ignored your
advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote.


I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a
shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not
wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my
main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own
yard.


Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my
concern became how to keep them from running off for
days on end. I lost valuable training time becoming
embroiled in the anti- shock debate and the "Jerry
sux" tirades.


I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world
now
g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely
housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the
yard, and doesn't bark all the time.


IOW a great companion and friend.


Thanks Jerry!


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"misty" wrote in message
news:



We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.
Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no
collars.


Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to
come back in the yard and would run for days. The
last time, Peach didn't come back home.


I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to
train my dog. She is now border trained. A few
minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the
yard.


She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her
from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we
walk around the yard.


I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular
fence then you need to train your dog. I will never
rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in our
yard again. The price was too high:-(
~misty


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"Terri"@cyberhighway



Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
come forward and actually believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:


I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since
I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough
of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the
posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive
child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn
for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile
crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging
idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe
we would not have had to hold the head of a really
magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped
his last gasp.


To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into
good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide
behind fake names are more honest than people that use
their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog
breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
j=2Eh.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.


"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to
just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you
act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really
care.



And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually
admit to buying and having success with his little black
box.



I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take
it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You
would never believe the results, so you'll never know.


Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to
him! LOL!



I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.


Terri



Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei
(do I get to listen to the box first?)


Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe


I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it
incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for
about one year. It truly does work - at least on my Dobe,
Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed
attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment
and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and
strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older
couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find
Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also
have him personally work with Chelsea.


His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog
that you will bully, and I wouldn't dream of hurting her.
After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on
furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on
the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a
very long story and I won't bore you with all the details, but
suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog
and for us.


Marge Hoffman. (REWARD PAID BY DW.)


P=2ES. You can send me the reward money, but
I won't sell you my DDR!



All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne


..

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ )


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variety of obscene concepts are often present.


If this sort of thing is not likely to sit well with you,
it is probably best that you refrain from reading
these forums where proven lying dog abusing
active acute incurable long term MENTAL CASES
hurt intimdiate and murder their own dogs and lie
abHOWET IT. {) ; ~ )


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language, verbal assault, and a wide
variety of obscene concepts are often present.
If this sort of thing is not likely to sit well
with you, it is probably best that you refrain
from reading these forums where proven lying dog
abusing active acute incurable long term MENTAL
CASES hurt intimdiate and murder their own dogs
and lie abHOWET IT


.. {) ; ~ )

From: "I Am"
Subject: Howdy Mr./Ms. Dog Trainer


HOWEDY matty!


Looks like you're up to the same old same old, eh
my little mentally ill dog abusing punk thug coward
buddy?



Trade: Exchange



Dogs are SCAVENGERS. They STEAL SCRAPS
and run to hide to eat them with their back to the
wall in a heightened state of alert.


the toy she's holding for the one you have in your hand.



Trying to take STUFF from a dog who DON'T TRUST
YOU will TEACH IT to RUN, HIDE, and SWALLOW
STUFF so you can't TAKE IT and MAY teach IT to
ATTACK YOU and TAKE YOUR STUFF to boot.


The P



There AIN'T NUTHIN POSITIVE abHOWET
TAKIN AWAY STUFF, matty. You ADD VALUE
to STUFF you TRY to TAKE AWAY from the
dog, matty. THAT makes dogs PROTECTIVE
of their STUFF, matty.


will come from the toy you're offering



You mean, to get the dog to RESPECT your
COMMAND to LEAVE IT, matty? We was
talkin to your pal taragreen2 from NYC abHOWET
her LEAVE IT COMMAND when she suddenly
got CHOKED UP and couldn't teach us HOWE
to POISON PROOF a dog, matty.

PERHAPS you can ADVISE US, as marie was
ASKIN abHOWET IT for her own HOWETA CON-
TROLL dog Macula and her HOWETA CON-TROLL
twins who are LEARNIN to DISRESPECT her for
BRIBING them JUST LIKE HOWE her dog Macula
has LEARNED to elicit BRIBES and carry on her
HOWETA CON-TROLL BEHAIVORS.


Like HOWE your pal melanie change is doin with
her HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs Solo and her
peeing Pekinese you and your punk thug coward
mental case pals told her to JERK and CHOKE
to break his HOWES PISSIN on accHOWENT of
HE'S ABUSED.



and the way you're offering it;



You mean, TEASING the dog with an alternate
REWARD for STEALIN STUFF, matty? You're
a MENTAL CASE, matty.


that is, make the exchange worthwhile.



THAT'S INSANE!


There's plenty of good beginning stuff,



You mean like a 100% INSTANTLY RELIABLE
COME COMMAND trained NEARLY INSTANTLY
and FOR FREE, to boot, matty?


but "trade" is the best thing Aussie Rocky learned as a pup.



Well THAT'S IDIOCY matty. You "TRAINED" your
dog to TRADE STUFF HE STOLE for a REWARD???


--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.



CERTAINLY even a MENTAL CASE can SEE THAT
AIN'T NORMAL THINKIN, matty. IN FACT, your own
POSTED CASE HISTORY SHOWES US otherWIZE:

From: "The Puppy Wizard"
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:38:25 GMT
Subject: Puppy Temper Tantrums...


HOWEDY matty,



"Rocky" wrote in message


...


To put a dollar value on it: A "drop it" command would
have saved an acquaintance a $1000 surgery bill on her lab.



That so?

Seems the DROP IT command happens AFTER
the dog has TAKEN the FORBIDDEN FRUIT.



Said lab (not a puppy) wouldn't give up a squeaky
and, when presented with a treat in exchange,



You mean as a BRIBE to release what IT got
in ITS MHOWETH that YOU WANT MOORE
than the stinkin weenie you're offerin IT in
EXXXCHANGE?

EVEN A DOG GOT MOORE BRAINS than
to fall for THAT kinda IDIOCY.



made the decision to swallow the toy



As ANY critter would, being PURSUED by
a COMPETITOR, dog lovers. What do you
EXXXPECT a dog to do when you're fixin
to STEAL his BHOWENTY.


and then grab and swallow the treat bag.



THAT'S what The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
been TELLIN you bums in HIS N.I.L.I.F. Posts.

REMEMBER, matty?


The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ the dog is
fixin to tell yout to SHOVE IT and RIP YOU
OFF for your weenies and FIGHT you if you
offer a protest.


THAT'S HOWE COME your stinkin N.I.L.I.F.
program GETS SOME DOGS DEAD, matty.



I'm very sorry for what must have been a terrible
scare for your friend as well the risk to the dog,



MOST of HOWER DOG LOVERS here abHOWETS
have BEEN THROUGH the SAME SAME SAME SAME
for the SAME SAME SAME SAME REASON.

THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard
goes "BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!"


REMEMBER NHOWE, matty, you lying dog
abusing punk thug coward MENTAL CASE?


BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAA!!



but it's hard not to admire a dog with
advanced problem-solving skills.



BULLSHIT.

The dog attacked the bag of treats based on
PREDICTABLE NORMAL NATURAL INNATE
INSTINCTIVE REFLECIVE behavior.


A freakin CHIMPANZEE woulda seen THAT comin.



It was a scare for me, too.



That so, matty? No "skin off your nose," eh matty?
Hey? That's abHOWET HOWE and where leah got
bit, too.


How's this for problem-solving:



AllHOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard to
CONsult HIS crystal ball. Ooops! SEZ you're
a lying dog abusing mental case and you
can't post your idiocy here abHOWETS no
doGgamened MOORE.


The dog went for the hand that was holding the
bag of treats, not the treat in the proffered hand.



SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?


In doing so, she scraped up my hand fairly well



The dog BIT you matty. JUST LIKE HOWE
The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ a dog is
SUPPOSED TO DO, matty, on accHOWENT
of THAT is the NATURE of the BEAST.


(I was attempting the trade



Dogs ain't into TRADING, matty. They
don't CARE abHOWET your "VALUES."


after my acquaintance stood still after saying
"drop it drop it drop it" and after her attempted
wrestling away didn't work).



You went an stuck your hand in the dog's face
to teach IT to RESPECT you for a WEENIE.


BTW, this was the second time this dog had
had bowel surgery and the Nth time she wouldn't
give up a toy to the owner.



Well, perhaps THAT'S on accHOWENT of
all the REINFORCEMENT you've done on
this behavior problem by REWARDING
BAD BEHAVIORS with TREATS, eh matty?


I told her to get her dog to the vet ASAP,



On accHOWENT of you fed IT a whole bag
of "treats" to wash DHOWEN a squeeky toy
you din't have the INTELLECT to GET THE
DOG TO PLAY WITH?


but she waited until the next day.



"Birds of a feather," eh matty.


--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.



"We Had "Come" Down Pat In A Few Reps
And You Could Have Knocked Me Down
When I Tried The Exercise With "Drop" And,
After A Few Reps In Different Spots Darwin
Practically *Threw* The Ball At My Feet On
Command," Ben.

Hi, Jerry.


I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree
with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this
manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few
reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried
the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in
different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber
ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect
(just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to
want to push and test me a little bit more).


For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have)
how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few
folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and
beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even
if that was the only method that would work, I'd live
with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that.
(Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively,
tho').


Best, ben


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HOWEDY bettina,



You have no life. Poor thing.



Your life revolves arHOWEND your case of
MunchHOWESEN by PROXY SYNDROME.

EITHER THAT OR YOUR DOG IS DYIN
FROM The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME {) ; ~ )


YOUR CASE HISTORY PROVES IT, bettina.
So do those of your like minded MENALLY
ILL PALS whom you're postin to...



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If this sort of thing is not likely to sit well
with you, it is probably best that you refrain
from reading these forums where proven lying dog
abusing active acute incurable long term MENTAL
CASES hurt intimdiate and murder their own dogs
and lie abHOWET IT


.. {) ; ~ )


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Just ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you
need any additional FREE heelp. There's NO
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of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW
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study it well and do and follow ALL the
EXXXERCISES AS INSTRUCTED... it's a
PRECISE SCIENCE or it COULDN'T GET
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From: (ABADABRACADABRAH)
Date: 17 Aug 2004 17:02:29 GMT


Subject: This is howe to complain -- and where to complain
[Ninnyboy]


HOWEDY dogsnuts,




Subject: This is howe to complain -- and where to complain

[Ninnyboy]
From: dogsnus
Date: 8/17/04 5:54 AM


(Michael Erskine) wrote in
. com:



Well, if you bitch to AOL




Yeah. Just tell them The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
EMBARRASSED and DISCREDITED YOU by
QUOTIN you HURTIN dogs and LYING abHOWET it.


they will trace down the IP addresses and
figure out which accHOWENT is doing it and
TURN OFF THE accHOWENT.... GET IT?



Like heel. They'll laugh their doGgamened arses off at you
lying dog abusing punk thug cowards BITCHIN that The
Amazing Puppy Wizard has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED
and DISCREDITED you as the lying dog abusing punk
thug cowards and active long term incurable MENTAL
CASES you're PROVEN to be.



What I *get* is you explaining the obvious to the experienced and to

those
who know how to use filters effectively, thus making you an equally
boring and useless person to read.



Well, certainly michale ain't as CREATIVE as sinofabitch...



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But, thanks for the explanation.

sinofabitch writes:
What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
posts from two different people,
took pieces of them out of context,
cobbled them together,
then added his own words:

"Neatly," and "Smartly."
and a fake signature.

"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.
Which is exactly what he did.
The actual quote is misleading
when taken out of context, and Jerry's
faked "quote" is downright meaningless.


Here's Jerry's version



"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.



Here's yours;



"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA



!!!!!

"You're ONLY as good as your WORD.
You're JUDGED BY the company you
keep, When you lie with pigs you'll awaken
STINKIN like 'em.


When you get BAGGED FOR LYING
you're MARKED FOR LIFE," The
Puppy Wizard's DADDY.



In the six years he's been a rotting corpse here
I've never ever seen or heard of anyone_ continuing
to quote his drivel nor have I ever heard someone
whining and complaining to get his account cancelled.



That so? S-HOWENDS like you're havin a other psychotic
break from reality, dogsnuts. NO PROBLEMO. THAT'S
a SYMPTOM of The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.


About what I'd expect from someone using google to
read and post to UNSENT.



That so?



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Terri
"Terri"@cyberhighway
Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
He has millions of people aleady reading
his posts and watching him extract his soggy
foot out of his mouth!
Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2
naive childs come forward and actually
believe in his training manual.

Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two
naive childs since I freely admit to having
read and, I hope, understood enough of the
manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher
and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you
to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with
a constant barrage of really infantile crap at
the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with
the nagging idea that if people like them had
been posting earlier, maybe we would not have
had to hold the head of a really magnificent
animal in our arms while he was given the
needle and having to hug him and wait until
he gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can
terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is
believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use
their real names.
Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey
(lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better
than those that have studied and lived by their
craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see
kindergarten level insults for what they are.
Really stupid is believing that people like
Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going
to just go away because you people act like
fools. Why do you act like fools? I really
have no idea, and I don't really care.
And, to date: I've not seen ONE come
forward and actually admit to buying and
having success with his little black box.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's
day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for
their use and testing. You would never believe
the results, so you'll never know.
Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man
coming by Jerry's posts deserves to get what
is sure to be coming to him! LOL!

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh?
As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen
to the box first


?)

"


The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of
Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be
Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent,
Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's
And All Dogs


,


NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught
In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual."
The Puppy Wizard


.. {} ; ~ )

Here's Disciple Paulie:


Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands
How Wits End Training Really Works, They
Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise
It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On
Trust And Understanding."


Disciple Paulie Writes:


I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell
them they are good dogs and they seem to
follow me, once I told them they were bad dogs
and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell
them they are good dogs and they always are, always.


Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say
"good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and
I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding
everytime.


A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.


Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.


Paul.


"


Thank you for fighting the fine fight--even tho
it's a hopeless task, in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man, there will be
animals (and humans!) abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita


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"J1Boss" wrote in message
...

He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.



Janet Boss

"sionnach" wrote in message
...
"J1Boss" wrote in message
...



I can't imagine needing anything higher
than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???
I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.




Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs
in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their
dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE
EXXXCEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes
and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE
aversives in their faces.

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause
the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed
in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME
IT was MACED?



My dogs are not human children wearing
fur- they are DOGS.



They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL
LYING DOG ABUSERS HURT and MURDER.



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From: sionnach )
Subject: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST

And Sally responded:



Who said that? I would never do or recommend
that, and neither would most of the regulars on here.
Sally Hennessey



I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so.
Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies
across the room!



here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a
12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):



A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
very persistant.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive



.."

That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's THIS:



"Susan Fraser" wrote in message


...


Did you try it on your throat? Not very Not very
pleasant.


Umm, yes. As a matter of fact, I did. It the sensation
is actually much milder than it is on the palm, which
has sweat glands and so conducts more.




You're full of crap. You're a sexual Sadist.

http://tinyurl.com/389al
In this video, the dog is constantly jerking his
head all around. I'm not SHORE why he's doing that.
If he's doing it because he is being shocked repeatedly
into getting onto that ...

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HOWEDY dogsnuts,



"dogsnus" wrote in message


...


(Susan Fraser) wrote in
:
Now, I need to go start cooking! I'll be back later!

Boy, do you_ start cooking early!
I may be eating Honey Nut Cheerios today if this
storm doesn't let up a bit with the skymonsters
and all.
Mojo hasn't left the knee well in the desk since
it started.
Terri



Your dog fears thunder cause you abuse him.

Fear of thunder is CAUSED by MISHANDLING.
That's HOWE COME The Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
Students and Doggy Do Right customers CURE
fear of thunder, separation anxiety, car sickness,
and all other temperament and behavior problems
nearly instantly:


From: Chris Williams )
Subject: Thank you Jerry Howe
Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST


Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel
and your family.


A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken
from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR.


She reports far fewer panic problems than
she's had before.


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D



Chris Williams writes:


"The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual
I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what
I've always done without thinking of it as "training".
New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased
the last of Mac's fireworks trauma,"

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D


Mrs. Altman and her husband Dr. Altman, a practicing
psychiatrist spent a couple HOWERS on the phone
discussing BEHAVIORISM and their dog's CURE of
fear of thunder... but that was AFTER they SAW THE
RESULTS.


The Puppy Wizard. } ; ~ )


Subj: Fear of Thunder
Date: 6/29/02 6:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: Jraltman
To: Witsenddog


Dear Jerry,


I hope you'll be able to post this message so
more people who are at their wit's end will be
able to help their dogs.


To review:


Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder
storms. At the beginning of the problem, she
paced restlessly from room to room. She
couldn't settle and sleep.



From there the problem grew. She would run



to the far southeast corner of the house (which
makes sense because most storms here come
from the northwest) and she'd cower in the
corner of the couch and shake.

1st attempt to help her:


I'd pick her up, brush and massage her (call
me a nut - I've sung to her when I've done
her daily brushing since she was tiny so of
course I sang too) and when she relaxed,
I'd put her in her crate. She then slept and I
thought the problem was solved.


Traumatic event:


We were out in the park playing with one of her
doggy friends when it began to rain. On the way
home, there was the loudest, longest, thunder
clap I've ever heard.



From that day on, the problem got worse and worse.



I couldn't calm her with singing and massage. The
fear spread. She wouldn't go out if it was raining.
No thunder, just gently summer rain, and she
wouldn't go out.

The solution:


I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit's
End Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy
Do Right that seemed better than anything else I came
across.


A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and
Director of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince
me to try both the manual and the product.


Problem solved:


I followed Jerry's suggestions (more phone calls - he
is most generous with his time and advice). The first
two thunder storms my puppy was restless but not
running around in a blind panic.


The third storm, she barked her deep, stranger
danger bark after each clap of thunder.


The fourth storm, she seemed uneasy at first. Soon
she was asleep at my feet and she napped through
the rest of the storm.


A miracle.


I am endlessly grateful to Jerry
for his manual and his machine.


A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy
a machine that emits a sound I cannot hear.


I took the chance because Jerry offered a full
refund including shipping. Though I heard
nothing, my puppy clearly did.


When I first turned on the machine, she got
the cutest, most quizzical look on her face.


She looked at me as if to say: "What's that?


I never heard that before." She looks at the
machine when it is on. She rests on the floor
beneath it.


It is obvious from her behavior that she is
aware of its cycles.


Amazing.


Thank you Jerry.


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D


Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern
Daylight Time
From:
To:


Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End
Dog Training Method works.


My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons
around the barbecue on the patio. I
used this system on four different occasions.


When she went out today, she looked
everywhere else but the barbecue.
Amazing, just amazing.


I will write to Amanda about the video.


I am really excited to learn more, and
understand. Maybe just a little reassurance
that I am going about it the right way.


Thanks again
Paul


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Puppy Wizard? I can't believe this idiot is STILL around. Please
ignore him. He's a psychiatric patient in an Independent Living
facility, and has never even been near a dog. Do NOT respond to his
posts.


Anyway... it's not unusual for dogs to develop a fear of
thunderstorms, and it's hard to predict when it will happen. I had a
golden retriever that did the same thing. She would fold her ears back
and pant heavily, eyes bulging with fear. I don't know what started
it; she was about 5 years old, and it just started happening out of
the blue. It got to where we couldn't sleep at night - she'd come in
and put her feet on the bed and pant over you. If you closed the
bedroom door, she'd paw it into splinters. We ended up getting a
tranquilizer from the vet to give her. ANYTHING would start it - a
light rain, a distant flash of lightning, anything, and there was
absolutely nothing you could do to calm her. NOTHING.


Sometimes it's very seve I've heard of dogs that would develop this
and then go into grand mal seizures when a rain started. One theory
is that some condition develops where the dog is hypersensitive to
barometric pressure, which usually drops precipitously in rain/storm
conditions, and it causes some kind of inner-ear disturbance in the
dog's head which scares and confuses it. It's as good an explanation
as any, I suspect. There is absolutely no pattern to this thing.


Ron M.


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HOWEDY ron,



"Ron M." wrote in message


m...


Puppy Wizard?



The Amazing Puppy Wizard at your service.

GREETINGS!



I can't believe this idiot is STILL around.



You're a dog abusing punk:

"I've been training and hunting with dogs for over 40
years, so I do have some experience in this area,
(shock collars) although I don't claim to know everything.


No doubt, there are some exceptions out there,
such as the hysterical pooch you described, that
just bark as normally as they breath.


If the original poster has that kind of dog, yes, it's
very possible that the anti-bark collar might not work.
But if it's just a bored backyard dog that barks at
everything that moves, wakes people up in the
middle of the night, etc. then in all probability it
will solve the problem. It's certainly worth a try,"
Ron M.



Please ignore him.



"It's not at all that simple (and I'm not anti-ecollar -
my dog uses one). Nobody can tell you "the proper
way to use one" in a USENET post.

ANYTHING can happen. Ecollars are like chain saws:
used knowledgeably, they can be tremendously productive.
Used unknowledgeably, than can cause catastrophic
destruction," Ron M.



He's a psychiatric patient in an Independent Living facility,



Both your dog and kat have seriHOWES
anxiHOWESNESS behavior problems,
PAINIC ATTACKS. Don't they, ronnie.


and has never even been near a dog.



FUNctional ANAL-ysists don't need to SEE
a dog, ronnie. Alls a behaviorIST gotta do
is review your posting history and use the
CONstructive approach to determine HOWE
COME both your critters are having OCD problems.


Do NOT respond to his posts.



Like you done.


Anyway...



You mean anyHOWE. If you're gonna
post here abHOWETS you better be
nice to gramma an respect SPELLIN.


it's not unusual for dogs to develop a
fear of thunderstorms,



It's not unusual for dogs to have panic
attacks withHOWET thunder for a dog
that's been abused by a shock or pronged
spiked pinch choke collars or otherWIZE
HURT and INTIMIDATED by aversive devices
and locked in a box under the disguise of
TRAININ, ronnie.


and it's hard to predict when it will happen.



Yeah. But it's NOT hard to predict to WHOM
it's GONNA happen, ronnie. It only happens
to dogs that are MISHANDLED and ABUSED.

That includes dogs that are bribed and
their treats withheld to elicit behaviors.



I had a golden retriever that did the same thing.



INDEED. That's pretty good cause for you
not to want folks to read The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's posts, particularly when you've ...
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is their an ignore setting on here for this IAM person,cause he is
annoying or should i say HOWnoyying.
Anywho, let me clarify. the dog gets upset when she jumps on his Back
leg,not when she goes near him.He is a perfectly trained dog. and i
mean i get compliments all the time and how well he is.
everyone failed to address the urinating on everythingin site.
Anyone have any Suggestions.

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Why is there FOUR replies to pooteo?!?

Why not get all your bullshit out that everyone will ignore in ONE
message and be done with it?

It's easy. Put everything in a single message, then go ahead and add
20,000 lines of crap after your response as usual. No one's going to
read what you write anyway so might as well get it done in a single
ignorable message.

AssHowe is prolly thinking "people ignore me?" NO, REALLY?!?
Ignoramus.

 




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