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The Dog Whisperer
Even Cesar says it is only common sense, but I bet most dogs do not get
daily exercise. Putting a dog out in the yard is not exercise; that is another thing he says that I believe he is right about. "Alison" wrote in message ... "pfoley" wrote in message k.net... A definite thumbs up for me. I have his book and I watch him every week. I love his calm/assertive technique. I also believe in treating a dog like a dog and not a human. I believe he is right that dogs need exercise everyday to be happy and act normal. I would think nearly every trainer/behaviourist in the world would say a dog needs exercise every day. It's common sense. As to treating a dog like a dog, what *is* a dog? If he is Alpha rolling dogs then it sounds like he thinks wolves are dogs and setting back dog training by years ( Wolves don't Alpha roll other wolves, the submissive wolves rolls over voluntarily so there is no point in doing it to a dog. Alison |
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:47:49 GMT, "pfoley"
wrote: Even Cesar says it is only common sense, but I bet most dogs do not get daily exercise. Putting a dog out in the yard is not exercise; that is another thing he says that I believe he is right about. Putting my dogs out in the yard results in them getting more exercise than 45 minutes of walking would give them. Dogs are not all the same, you know. Mustang Sally "Alison" wrote in message ... "pfoley" wrote in message k.net... A definite thumbs up for me. I have his book and I watch him every week. I love his calm/assertive technique. I also believe in treating a dog like a dog and not a human. I believe he is right that dogs need exercise everyday to be happy and act normal. I would think nearly every trainer/behaviourist in the world would say a dog needs exercise every day. It's common sense. As to treating a dog like a dog, what *is* a dog? If he is Alpha rolling dogs then it sounds like he thinks wolves are dogs and setting back dog training by years ( Wolves don't Alpha roll other wolves, the submissive wolves rolls over voluntarily so there is no point in doing it to a dog. Alison |
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I don't agree with that. Most times dogs in the yard sniff around do their
business and then lay down or try to get back in the house or bark at neighbors if left outside. When I walk my dog in the forest each day for 45 minutes she runs back and forth to me, thus walking twice as much as I do on the walk; then she meets another dog and chases that dog around. The other thing about walking your dog in the yard versus sticking it out in the yard is that they are happier dogs; they are not bored. Those are my beliefs anyway. "sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message ... On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:47:49 GMT, "pfoley" wrote: Even Cesar says it is only common sense, but I bet most dogs do not get daily exercise. Putting a dog out in the yard is not exercise; that is another thing he says that I believe he is right about. Putting my dogs out in the yard results in them getting more exercise than 45 minutes of walking would give them. Dogs are not all the same, you know. Mustang Sally "Alison" wrote in message ... "pfoley" wrote in message k.net... A definite thumbs up for me. I have his book and I watch him every week. I love his calm/assertive technique. I also believe in treating a dog like a dog and not a human. I believe he is right that dogs need exercise everyday to be happy and act normal. I would think nearly every trainer/behaviourist in the world would say a dog needs exercise every day. It's common sense. As to treating a dog like a dog, what *is* a dog? If he is Alpha rolling dogs then it sounds like he thinks wolves are dogs and setting back dog training by years ( Wolves don't Alpha roll other wolves, the submissive wolves rolls over voluntarily so there is no point in doing it to a dog. Alison |
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"pfoley" wrote in message
ink.net... Even Cesar says it is only common sense, but I bet most dogs do not get daily exercise. Putting a dog out in the yard is not exercise; that is another thing he says that I believe he is right about. Yes, I expect a lot of dogs don't get enough exercise and it's not just exercise but mental stimulation too, especially when dogs are left alone for hours and hours without a break. What I was really trying to say is that though its an important point to make, it doesn't necessarily make Cesar a great trainer for saying it. I've not seen the programme or read his book so I can only comment on what I've read here . It's easy to think someone is marvellous, I used to think Jan Fennell, The Dog Listener was marvellous but now I know better. The latest TV Dog trainer series on TV in the UK is Victoria Stilwell, It's me or the Dog. In the first couple of series she was fond of using aircans and horns (as well as using rewards) and there were a lot of complaints from trainers etc. She did actually listen and the series improved and I expect helped a lot of people with their dogs. I think that shows she doesn't have a big ego like some other TV or well known trainers. Alison |
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In article t,
pfoley wrote: I don't agree with that. Most times dogs in the yard sniff around do their business and then lay down or try to get back in the house or bark at neighbors if left outside. You say "most times." What about the other times? My dogs wouldn't be sufficiently exercised being left to their own devices in the yard, but they're not greyhounds. And you seem to be disagreeing with Sally's statement that not all dogs are the same - is that what you intended? -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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In article ,
elegy wrote: i don't know.... does it help or hurt when what they take away from the show is "tsst", leash pop, and alpha roll? I think some of the absolute worst at-home, casual training mistakes come from the misunderstanding of the implications of the word "dominance." In the revision of HTBYDBF they tell the reader *NOT* to alpha roll and I'm pretty surprised that Millan is still at it. Being a professional dog trainer strikes me as a much more difficult job than I'd be able to do, because aside from working through the dog's problems you've also got to find ways to communicate with the owner, keeping in mind that the owners need to learn things that are kind of forgiving of screwups while still being effective. It seems to me that Millan uses techniques that require a lot more deftness than you find in the typical dog owner and ones where the consequences of misapplication are not very good. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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I didn't agree with her that letting your dog out in the backyard is enough
exercise for the dog; I believe all dogs should be walked. No not all dogs are the same; some very small dogs don't need as much exercise as a larger breed or a very active dog, but they are the same as getting the need for more stimulation to their brains from walking and checking their (pee mail as my husband calls it) of other dogs; I believe that is what they like doing the most, walking and sniffing; then they come home satisfied and quieter. It makes for a happier dog and a happier owner. "Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article t, pfoley wrote: I don't agree with that. Most times dogs in the yard sniff around do their business and then lay down or try to get back in the house or bark at neighbors if left outside. You say "most times." What about the other times? My dogs wouldn't be sufficiently exercised being left to their own devices in the yard, but they're not greyhounds. And you seem to be disagreeing with Sally's statement that not all dogs are the same - is that what you intended? -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:18:00 GMT, "pfoley"
wrote: I don't agree with that. Most times dogs in the yard sniff around do their business and then lay down or try to get back in the house or bark at neighbors if left outside. When I walk my dog in the forest each day for 45 minutes she runs back and forth to me, thus walking twice as much as I do on the walk; then she meets another dog and chases that dog around. The other thing about walking your dog in the yard versus sticking it out in the yard is that they are happier dogs; they are not bored. Those are my beliefs anyway. You don't agree with what I see when I look out the window? Is that what you're saying? You're a better judge of what my dogs do than I am? It must be catching. Mustang Sally "sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:47:49 GMT, "pfoley" wrote: Even Cesar says it is only common sense, but I bet most dogs do not get daily exercise. Putting a dog out in the yard is not exercise; that is another thing he says that I believe he is right about. Putting my dogs out in the yard results in them getting more exercise than 45 minutes of walking would give them. Dogs are not all the same, you know. Mustang Sally "Alison" wrote in message ... "pfoley" wrote in message k.net... A definite thumbs up for me. I have his book and I watch him every week. I love his calm/assertive technique. I also believe in treating a dog like a dog and not a human. I believe he is right that dogs need exercise everyday to be happy and act normal. I would think nearly every trainer/behaviourist in the world would say a dog needs exercise every day. It's common sense. As to treating a dog like a dog, what *is* a dog? If he is Alpha rolling dogs then it sounds like he thinks wolves are dogs and setting back dog training by years ( Wolves don't Alpha roll other wolves, the submissive wolves rolls over voluntarily so there is no point in doing it to a dog. Alison |
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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:11:25 GMT, "pfoley"
wrote: I didn't agree with her that letting your dog out in the backyard is enough exercise for the dog; I believe all dogs should be walked. I didn't say "your dog"; I said "my dogs". You don't know anything about my dogs; if you did, you'd know that they run with each other in my fenced yard until they're tired out. They couldn't do that if I walked them around here, because I couldn't take them off leash, and i can't run as fast as a greyhound (average coasting speed around 35 mph). Get a clue. You don't know what's best for my dogs, and I don't know what's best for yours. Mustang Sally "Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article t, pfoley wrote: I don't agree with that. Most times dogs in the yard sniff around do their business and then lay down or try to get back in the house or bark at neighbors if left outside. You say "most times." What about the other times? My dogs wouldn't be sufficiently exercised being left to their own devices in the yard, but they're not greyhounds. And you seem to be disagreeing with Sally's statement that not all dogs are the same - is that what you intended? -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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pfoley wrote: I didn't agree with her that letting your dog out in the backyard is enough exercise for the dog; I believe all dogs should be walked. The real point is that your 2 statements aren't logically connected. That's the problem I have with Millan's flat statement that all dogs should be walked 45 minutes a day. Sure, far too many dogs get far too little mental and physical exercise. But the right conditioning regime is as different for every dog as it is for humans. My 10 yr old gsd is best served by tracking for .75 to 1.0 mile every morning, an hour or so swimming, and being demo dog for 1or2 beginner classes. Adding a 45 minute walk around the neighborhood would only be hard on his joints and do nothing good for him. My 18 month old gsd is building muscle right now for herding and agility. A walk isn't going to do it for her, either. I'm getting a 13 wk old Visla and 6 month old gsd in this week, and their conditioning plans will be equally individualized. But none of them are ever walked. Lynn K. |
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