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The Dog Whisperer
Hello all, I am a bit of a drama queen and a bit wordy so when I said
"Cesar was my hero,ido, guru...etc. I was just saying I like him very much. I believe in most of what he says and does, but like everything else. I take what works for me and leave the rest. Just as I would from a professional trainer, a book, another TV show...I believe there is a disclaimer on every show. I don't know anyone in the world that is absolutely 100 percent on about every single thing....except perhaps Human and Animal behavior blah blah blah....I do not want to grow up to be like you. I get something out of almost every post here, but you my dear I feel very sorry for. Why do you feel the need to attack me? If you can't recall what I am referring to read the posts prior to this one that is what I do when I post. I am sorry for my lack of usenet etiquette. Thanks for all of the opinions, the review of the book, and the explanation of flooding. Be Free, Judy |
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 18:20:13 -0400, sighthounds & siberians
wrote: On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:47:49 GMT, "pfoley" wrote: Even Cesar says it is only common sense, but I bet most dogs do not get daily exercise. Putting a dog out in the yard is not exercise; that is another thing he says that I believe he is right about. Putting my dogs out in the yard results in them getting more exercise than 45 minutes of walking would give them. Dogs are not all the same, you know. Putting my dogs out in the yard results in butt tuck zoomies, chasing, and wrestling until they are completely exhausted. We've never had a walk that could do that to the big dogs. Walks are useful for other things, though. -- Paula "Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay |
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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:11:25 GMT, "pfoley"
wrote: I didn't agree with her that letting your dog out in the backyard is enough exercise for the dog; I believe all dogs should be walked. No not all dogs are the same; some very small dogs don't need as much exercise as a larger breed or a very active dog, but they are the same as getting the need for more stimulation to their brains from walking and checking their (pee mail as my husband calls it) of other dogs; I believe that is what they like doing the most, walking and sniffing; then they come home satisfied and quieter. It makes for a happier dog and a happier owner. Now see, this is where it pays to know the dogs. Sally's dogs would be in grave danger with your exercise method of 45 minute off lead walks in the forest. They are greyhounds, which as a breed can't be trusted not to run after critters and get in trouble and/or lost if walked around off lead. In addition, greyhounds are sprinters. They are not happy or healthy walking around as fast as a person can take them on leash. OTOH, her dogs, being greyhounds, love to sprint around open areas and do so when she lets them out into the fenced yard. So the best exercise for her dogs is not what is best for your dogs or what Cesar apparently says is best for all dogs. I have some little dogs, who can get plenty of exercise on walks, but they still like to chase each other around and wrestle. My big dogs would never get enough exercise from walks even if I ran as fast as I could for as long as I could. I can't let them off lead to run back and forth and to chase other dogs because there are leash laws here and not all dogs are good chase companions, especially the ones whose owners ignore leash laws in a neighborhood like mine. They do, however, love to run around the back yard chasing each other and wrestling, which wears them out. If they don't want to be out there without me, I go out with them, I don't let them back into the house, put a leash on them and go for a walk. That would be silly. -- Paula "Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay |
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I've only seen the show once, and somethings I feel he may be right
about. However, one thing sticks out in my mind. He had a dog, I believe it was a chow mix, that was very aggressive when it came to getting it's nails clipped. His "method" for solving this problem was to pin the dog with one arm and clip the dog's nails. I have a dog, which is a rescue dog, with a severe fear of getting it's nails clipped. If I tried to force the dog to get it's nails clipped using this method I would probably get injured, because he can pick me up on his back. By the way, I easily outwiegh Cesar. I have found the best way to deal with this problem is using gradual desensitization. It may take me 4 days currently to get all of my dog's nails clipped, but at least they all get done with no risk to myself. Eventually, I should be able to clip them in one day. Also worth noting, Cesar got bit by the chow mix while using his method, so I don't really agree with the show displaying it to viewers who might try similar methods with dangerous results. Nick |
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Geez, calm down. What are you so upset about. I am just talking about how
I feel about things; what I say is not gospel; it doesn't have to be the only form of entertainment for a dog. My niece has Whippets that chase a white bag around the field on a pulley; they love it. Some dogs have jobs that they do; they love that. I don't even know you or your dogs. I am just talking about dogs in general; not your particular dogs. If they have fun running around in circles all day long in a yard, then let them, but my dog would be bored doing that everyday. "sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message ... On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:11:25 GMT, "pfoley" wrote: I didn't agree with her that letting your dog out in the backyard is enough exercise for the dog; I believe all dogs should be walked. I didn't say "your dog"; I said "my dogs". You don't know anything about my dogs; if you did, you'd know that they run with each other in my fenced yard until they're tired out. They couldn't do that if I walked them around here, because I couldn't take them off leash, and i can't run as fast as a greyhound (average coasting speed around 35 mph). Get a clue. You don't know what's best for my dogs, and I don't know what's best for yours. Mustang Sally "Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article t, pfoley wrote: I don't agree with that. Most times dogs in the yard sniff around do their business and then lay down or try to get back in the house or bark at neighbors if left outside. You say "most times." What about the other times? My dogs wouldn't be sufficiently exercised being left to their own devices in the yard, but they're not greyhounds. And you seem to be disagreeing with Sally's statement that not all dogs are the same - is that what you intended? -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Once a week a meet two women in the forest that walk three greyhounds; the
dogs are as quiet as can be. Maybe if they do it often enough, they won't bolt. Not sure if that would work, or maybe they just have calm greyhounds. You would have to walk them on the leash for awhile to see what happens. In fact besides the three greyhounds, they also walk a german shepherd and a husky all together. I am mainly talking about dogs that are home all day with no stimulation and then let out into the yard, or left in the yard all day long alone. Plus, don't you feel it is a social thing for them to get out and look around; it is good for them all around is how I see it. I am sure working dogs do not need to do it; they have enough stimulation, or maybe old dogs, or dogs that can't stand the heat, unless they were walked early in the morning or in the evening. My Rottweiler does not like heat, so I have to take her early in the morning. "Paula" wrote in message ... On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:11:25 GMT, "pfoley" wrote: I didn't agree with her that letting your dog out in the backyard is enough exercise for the dog; I believe all dogs should be walked. No not all dogs are the same; some very small dogs don't need as much exercise as a larger breed or a very active dog, but they are the same as getting the need for more stimulation to their brains from walking and checking their (pee mail as my husband calls it) of other dogs; I believe that is what they like doing the most, walking and sniffing; then they come home satisfied and quieter. It makes for a happier dog and a happier owner. Now see, this is where it pays to know the dogs. Sally's dogs would be in grave danger with your exercise method of 45 minute off lead walks in the forest. They are greyhounds, which as a breed can't be trusted not to run after critters and get in trouble and/or lost if walked around off lead. In addition, greyhounds are sprinters. They are not happy or healthy walking around as fast as a person can take them on leash. OTOH, her dogs, being greyhounds, love to sprint around open areas and do so when she lets them out into the fenced yard. So the best exercise for her dogs is not what is best for your dogs or what Cesar apparently says is best for all dogs. I have some little dogs, who can get plenty of exercise on walks, but they still like to chase each other around and wrestle. My big dogs would never get enough exercise from walks even if I ran as fast as I could for as long as I could. I can't let them off lead to run back and forth and to chase other dogs because there are leash laws here and not all dogs are good chase companions, especially the ones whose owners ignore leash laws in a neighborhood like mine. They do, however, love to run around the back yard chasing each other and wrestling, which wears them out. If they don't want to be out there without me, I go out with them, I don't let them back into the house, put a leash on them and go for a walk. That would be silly. -- Paula "Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay |
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 17:57:54 -0400, elegy
wrote: [] But I think that having a show like this reach the masses, well, that *is* ground-breaking, and it just might have a positive effect on the folks out there who might recognize *themselves* in the folks and families he "trains" on his show. It surely can't hurt. i don't know.... does it help or hurt when what they take away from the show is "tsst", What harm could come from the "tsst"??? Other trainers have been using similar versions of the "tsst" for years. It's a distraction. Feel free to come up with your own. For example: "psst" "yech" "acch" "ooop" Etc. leash pop What leash pop? I done see no steeeeeeenkin' leash pops. and alpha roll? Yes, (as I've said previously) that could get them in some trouble. However, his show is *littered* with warnings not to try his methods without the supervision and assistance of a professional trainer. Again, I think the positives far outweigh the negatives. YMMV. -- Handsome Jack Morrison Beware! Deranged Leftist "professors" like Deborah Frisch could be teaching your children: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/0..._low.html#more |
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On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 16:16:25 GMT, Paula
wrote: [] Anyone want to discuss the specific example[s] of flooding they've actually observed Millan using on his show? Can I see a show of hands? I'd like to read that discussion, even though the one episode of the show I saw didn't have anything to do with flooding so I couldn't add to the discussion. Well, I guess this train ain't leaving the station. Too bad, it's a good topic. Sorry, Paula! -- Handsome Jack Morrison Beware! Deranged Leftist "professors" like Deborah Frisch could be teaching your children: http://www.blackfive.net/main/2006/0..._low.html#more |
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