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Cockapoos and puppy millers
I got an email from my sister today that a co-worker of hers is
looking to buy a cockapoo puppy. To save time here is a cut-and-paste from part of my sister's post: *** Hi Deb, 'XXX' at the Y here is planning on getting a Cockapoo. SHe contacted a woman who is the MIDDLEMAN and says she deals with the breeders herself....So 'XXX' doesn't know for sure who the breeder is but the woman is telling her the puppy will come from Missouri and will have papers, shots, a Vet report, etc. Plus, Carol has pictures of the parents...BUT feels she can ask more questions about the parents. THe puppy is supposed to be in a small family, farm environment which she saw some pictures. HOw will she know if this woman is LEGIT...who sounds very nice and knowledgeable and educated.....SHe got into the bs. because she herself was ripped off with puppy mills. 'XXX' got her name off the computer www.prestigous puppies.com **** Well, this all set off alarm bells in my sister's mind, and shouted "PUPPY MILL" to her, so she sent it off to me to ask my opinion, and of course it shouted PUPPY MILL to me also. The web site above seems to be a typo though. But keying in www.prestigeous.puppies.com (which I suspect may be correct URL) brings me to a web site that called www.puppyfind.com which sure looks like a puppy mill broker's web site. What can you say about a site that proclaims: "1,000s of puppies for sale... Find the perfect puppy online!" My sister's co-worker was starting to get cold feet and asked my sister, who said she felt she had to tell her her true feelings, and that it sounded suspicious to her. She said her friend wanted to know what sort of questions she should ask the woman when she spoke to her again. Of course since she is looking for a mixed-breed dog I could not refer her to the AKC breeder referral site, but this was the advice I sent my sister: *** It's hard to know what questions to ask, since cockapoos, by definition, would never come from a reputable breeder. Some questions I would ask a 1) How many different breeds do you deal with? - If they offer lots of breeds that is a very bad sign, a certain puppy mill broker. A large number is a huge red flag. 2) How many puppies do you have available right now? - again a large number is bad, especially if they come from many different breeds. Again, any breeder who cares for their breed would never sell pups through a puppy broker, as they like to personally know that their puppies are going to a good home. 3) Pick a breed, say a sheltie or a golden, and ask the person "If I wanted a sheltie puppy (or a golden, a lab, whatever) how would you recommend I find one?" - if the person says they can get you a sheltie or lab or golden puppy, again huge red flags. 4) Ask what they mean about the puppy having "papers" since a cockapoo cannot possibly have "papers" since they are not a purebred. - If they say the pup is registered with the Continental Kennel Club this is another huge red flag. This is an organization that was basically formed by puppy millers who could not get recognition from the AKC. 5) Ask what the refund or return policy is if you find you can't keep the pup for some reason. - reputable breeders will *always* take one of their dogs back, at any time, for any reason. As you recall that was in the contract we both signed when we got our dogs from 'AAA' (a sheltie breeder). We also has to sign an agreement to spay/neuter our dogs. 6) Ask about health screen for genetic defects. 7) Ask about the background and breeding of both parents, maybe ask to see their pedigrees. - They are likely to be puppy mill dogs, as decent breeders usually do their best to insure that their pups go to homes that will *not* breed them indiscriminately. That's about all I can think of off the top of my head, but this situation really sounds suspicious to me. If 'XXX' really does want a "poo" type dog I would look locally. Why not a pure-bred poodle? Or a cocker? Or why not a pup from the animal shelter if she does not care about a purebred? Probably most of those do not come from puppy mills, but someones pet dog who accidentally had a litter because they did not have her spayed. **** So that was my advice, but I'm just a pet-owner myself and don't have a whole lot of knowledge in this area. I'm just a happy dog owner of 2 shelties purchased from a breeder and one mutt who came from a local animal rescue league. But I hate everything I know of puppy millers. Does anyone know anything for sure about this web site above? It certainly looks awful. I'd hate to see my sister's friend make a bad mistake, though apparently she has already put down most of the money for the puppy, which is non-refundable, which is also a bad sign IMHO! Debbie |
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Have your sister direct her friend to www.petfinder.org and tell her to do a
search on poodle, cocker spaniel and, without looking to verify, I believe Petfinder actually lists Cockapoo as a searchable breed. They are in shelters all over the country and its likely there's at least one in this person's state. -- Tara |
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Someone else posted that you can do a search for a cockapoo on
petfinder.com, which is correct. You can also do a search for a cockapoo on www.1-800-save-a-pet.com, which is a really good site. If she prefers to use a breeder, have her go to http://www.cockapooclub.com. At first, I planned to get a cockapoo from a breeder. I did a lot of research, spoke to many people, including each and everyone involved with the cockapooclub wearing my b.s. detector on full blast. I feel confident that this is a reputable organization who take responsible, caring, breeding seriously. There's all sorts of info out there how to determine if the breeder is reputable or not, and everyone agrees you must be able to go to their home (and not meet them somewhere offsite with the dog), walk around, meet the puppy's parents, check for odor, cleanliness, look to see if there are breed magazines around (indicating a true interest and love for the breed), and many other tips. It's up for grabs at this point which breed I'll get but it will be from a rescue organization, a young or adult dog, at least this time around. Robin In article , (Scall0way) wrote: I got an email from my sister today that a co-worker of hers is looking to buy a cockapoo puppy. To save time here is a cut-and-paste from part of my sister's post: *** Hi Deb, 'XXX' at the Y here is planning on getting a Cockapoo. SHe contacted a woman who is the MIDDLEMAN and says she deals with the breeders herself....So 'XXX' doesn't know for sure who the breeder is but the woman is telling her the puppy will come from Missouri and will have papers, shots, a Vet report, etc. Plus, Carol has pictures of the parents...BUT feels she can ask more questions about the parents. THe puppy is supposed to be in a small family, farm environment which she saw some pictures. HOw will she know if this woman is LEGIT...who sounds very nice and knowledgeable and educated.....SHe got into the bs. because she herself was ripped off with puppy mills. 'XXX' got her name off the computer www.prestigous puppies.com **** Well, this all set off alarm bells in my sister's mind, and shouted "PUPPY MILL" to her, so she sent it off to me to ask my opinion, and of course it shouted PUPPY MILL to me also. The web site above seems to be a typo though. But keying in www.prestigeous.puppies.com (which I suspect may be correct URL) brings me to a web site that called www.puppyfind.com which sure looks like a puppy mill broker's web site. What can you say about a site that proclaims: "1,000s of puppies for sale... Find the perfect puppy online!" My sister's co-worker was starting to get cold feet and asked my sister, who said she felt she had to tell her her true feelings, and that it sounded suspicious to her. She said her friend wanted to know what sort of questions she should ask the woman when she spoke to her again. Of course since she is looking for a mixed-breed dog I could not refer her to the AKC breeder referral site, but this was the advice I sent my sister: *** It's hard to know what questions to ask, since cockapoos, by definition, would never come from a reputable breeder. Some questions I would ask a 1) How many different breeds do you deal with? - If they offer lots of breeds that is a very bad sign, a certain puppy mill broker. A large number is a huge red flag. 2) How many puppies do you have available right now? - again a large number is bad, especially if they come from many different breeds. Again, any breeder who cares for their breed would never sell pups through a puppy broker, as they like to personally know that their puppies are going to a good home. 3) Pick a breed, say a sheltie or a golden, and ask the person "If I wanted a sheltie puppy (or a golden, a lab, whatever) how would you recommend I find one?" - if the person says they can get you a sheltie or lab or golden puppy, again huge red flags. 4) Ask what they mean about the puppy having "papers" since a cockapoo cannot possibly have "papers" since they are not a purebred. - If they say the pup is registered with the Continental Kennel Club this is another huge red flag. This is an organization that was basically formed by puppy millers who could not get recognition from the AKC. 5) Ask what the refund or return policy is if you find you can't keep the pup for some reason. - reputable breeders will *always* take one of their dogs back, at any time, for any reason. As you recall that was in the contract we both signed when we got our dogs from 'AAA' (a sheltie breeder). We also has to sign an agreement to spay/neuter our dogs. 6) Ask about health screen for genetic defects. 7) Ask about the background and breeding of both parents, maybe ask to see their pedigrees. - They are likely to be puppy mill dogs, as decent breeders usually do their best to insure that their pups go to homes that will *not* breed them indiscriminately. That's about all I can think of off the top of my head, but this situation really sounds suspicious to me. If 'XXX' really does want a "poo" type dog I would look locally. Why not a pure-bred poodle? Or a cocker? Or why not a pup from the animal shelter if she does not care about a purebred? Probably most of those do not come from puppy mills, but someones pet dog who accidentally had a litter because they did not have her spayed. **** So that was my advice, but I'm just a pet-owner myself and don't have a whole lot of knowledge in this area. I'm just a happy dog owner of 2 shelties purchased from a breeder and one mutt who came from a local animal rescue league. But I hate everything I know of puppy millers. Does anyone know anything for sure about this web site above? It certainly looks awful. I'd hate to see my sister's friend make a bad mistake, though apparently she has already put down most of the money for the puppy, which is non-refundable, which is also a bad sign IMHO! Debbie -- Do not email if posting response. To email, replace x with 4 |
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"Scall0way" wrote
I got an email from my sister today that a co-worker of hers is looking to buy a cockapoo puppy. 'XXX' got her name off the computer www.prestigous puppies.com **** The web site above seems to be a typo though. But keying in www.prestigeous.puppies.com (which I suspect may be correct URL) brings me to a web site that called www.puppyfind.com which sure looks like a puppy mill broker's web site. again. http://www.prestigiouspuppies.com and http://www.prestigious.puppies.com seem to be two totally separate websites...are you sure she was referring to the latter, rather than the former? Both are scary, and *stink* of puppy mill ;o( |
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"caroline" wrote
"Scall0way" wrote I got an email from my sister today that a co-worker of hers is looking to buy a cockapoo puppy. 'XXX' got her name off the computer www.prestigous puppies.com **** The web site above seems to be a typo though. But keying in www.prestigeous.puppies.com (which I suspect may be correct URL) brings me to a web site that called www.puppyfind.com which sure looks like a puppy mill broker's web site. again. http://www.prestigiouspuppies.com and http://www.prestigious.puppies.com seem to be two totally separate websites...are you sure she was referring to the latter, rather than the former? Both are scary, and *stink* of puppy mill ;o( Yup...looks like you were browsing the wrong website, the one with the fullstop between the words. check this out, from the site without the fullstop http://www.prestigiouspuppies.com/COCK-A-POOS.asp Look at the prices...eeek! |
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http://www.prestigiouspuppies.com Are offering black "labradoodle"puppies ;- ***MOM IS AN AKC YELLOW LAB AND DAD IS AN AKC CAFE-AU-LAIT STANDARD POODLE WITH CHAMPION BLOODLINES!! Price: $1400 How do you get black puppies from that mating??????????? Sue |
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"Sue" wrote in message
... http://www.prestigiouspuppies.com Are offering black "labradoodle"puppies ;- ***MOM IS AN AKC YELLOW LAB AND DAD IS AN AKC CAFE-AU-LAIT STANDARD POODLE WITH CHAMPION BLOODLINES!! Price: $1400 How do you get black puppies from that mating??????????? Yellow Labs carry either yellow/yellow or yellow/black genes IIRC. Not sure about Poodles. -- Tara |
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"Sue" wrote in
: http://www.prestigiouspuppies.com Are offering black "labradoodle"puppies ;- ***MOM IS AN AKC YELLOW LAB AND DAD IS AN AKC CAFE-AU-LAIT STANDARD POODLE WITH CHAMPION BLOODLINES!! How do you get black puppies from that mating??????????? Rather easily, it is just basic color genetics. Yellow Labradors are ee, and most often B- like in this case. "Cafe au lait" means pale brown in Poodles, and it is probably most often bb G- K- which means dominant black, but black pigment is turned into brown, and G silvering/greying makes it paler. All the pups have inherited E gene from Poodle parent, so ee yellow pups are not born. And all have inherited B gene from Labrador parent, so there are no brown pups. And the Poodle parent is either just bb gg, and all the pups will really be black. Or if it is Gg, it is possible that just the g gene has been passed on. Or the pups are still so young that G pups haven't yet started to turn grey and the seller thinks that they are black. Liisa |
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Thanks -I'm not used to a recessive black gene.
"Liisa Sarakontu" wrote in message . .. "Sue" wrote in : http://www.prestigiouspuppies.com Are offering black "labradoodle"puppies ;- ***MOM IS AN AKC YELLOW LAB AND DAD IS AN AKC CAFE-AU-LAIT STANDARD POODLE WITH CHAMPION BLOODLINES!! How do you get black puppies from that mating??????????? Rather easily, it is just basic color genetics. Yellow Labradors are ee, and most often B- like in this case. "Cafe au lait" means pale brown in Poodles, and it is probably most often bb G- K- which means dominant black, but black pigment is turned into brown, and G silvering/greying makes it paler. All the pups have inherited E gene from Poodle parent, so ee yellow pups are not born. And all have inherited B gene from Labrador parent, so there are no brown pups. And the Poodle parent is either just bb gg, and all the pups will really be black. Or if it is Gg, it is possible that just the g gene has been passed on. Or the pups are still so young that G pups haven't yet started to turn grey and the seller thinks that they are black. Liisa |
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