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Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet
raw chicken... chopped up... and the regular veggies that you eat
yourself... avoid the starches for the most part... but other than that... should be easy enough for you to feed him... barely any preperation, a chicken leg, or thigh, or leg/thigh combo... pending on size of puppy at first... also keeps teeth VERY healty and strong... and white... toss him an apple to play with and eat for a snack in between... wrote in message oups.com... Sandy in OK wrote: wrote: Hi All Which is better Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet ? Which do you think is better nutrition for a growing puppy ? kIM Neither is something I'd feed to my dogs. Here are a couple of good on-line sites to research commercial dog foods. You won't find them at your grocery store, or at Petsmart. The better foods are frequently available at feed stores and some vets. (my regular vet carries the Hills crap mostly, but my holistic vet carries some of the better foods). Depending on the breed, after about 4 months you may not want to feed puppy food. Other alternatives are a home-cooked or raw menu. But you really need to do your research on that to be sure you are feeding a balanced diet. http://www.nhratterriers.com/goodfood.htm http://www.doberdogs.com/menu.html Hi I have a too busy life to prepare food for the puppy. I meen I would look after it take it walking etc. But I cannot make food. I live in Australia so there is not a large variety of food. I have never seen any of the brands on those websites before. All I have heard about is Hill's Science Diet , Eukanuba and Advance which is an Australian dog food company which food has been tested by WALTHAM. So what do I choose out of the 3 in your opinion? |
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Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet
Drachen wrote:
raw chicken... chopped up... and the regular veggies that you eat yourself... avoid the starches for the most part... but other than that... should be easy enough for you to feed him... barely any preperation, a chicken leg, or thigh, or leg/thigh combo... pending on size of puppy at first... also keeps teeth VERY healty and strong... and white... toss him an apple to play with and eat for a snack in between... Sounds like a recipe for malnutrition. But hey, at least you're feeding with love! |
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Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet
Melinda Shore wrote:
Drachen wrote: raw chicken... chopped up... and the regular veggies that you eat yourself... avoid the starches for the most part... but other than that... should be easy enough for you to feed him... barely any preperation, a chicken leg, or thigh, or leg/thigh combo... pending on size of puppy at first... also keeps teeth VERY healty and strong... and white... toss him an apple to play with and eat for a snack in between... Sounds like a recipe for malnutrition. But hey, at least you're feeding with love! Yep, it's this kind of crap that makes me so anti-raw. No real clue what the actual nutritional needs of the dog are, just throw stuff at them--if it's raw, it must be the perfect diet! |
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Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet [jerry]
FORGET abHOWET studyin The
Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing Grand pussy. That's the BEST advice you've EVER given! |
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Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet
wow... thats moronic...
at least my vet has done research and doesn't toss useless cardboard at dogs... my dog has a variety of veggies, meat, and fruit to eat daily... lots of good protien, and other stuff... my dog is far from being malnurished... "Melinda Shore" wrote in message ups.com... Drachen wrote: raw chicken... chopped up... and the regular veggies that you eat yourself... avoid the starches for the most part... but other than that... should be easy enough for you to feed him... barely any preperation, a chicken leg, or thigh, or leg/thigh combo... pending on size of puppy at first... also keeps teeth VERY healty and strong... and white... toss him an apple to play with and eat for a snack in between... Sounds like a recipe for malnutrition. But hey, at least you're feeding with love! |
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Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet
There are also many variations of the barf diet available in bulk... lamb,
chicken, beef, etc... and its about the same cost as any high end grain based dogfood... "Robin Nuttall" wrote in message news:vE7oh.205194$aJ.144770@attbi_s21... Melinda Shore wrote: Drachen wrote: raw chicken... chopped up... and the regular veggies that you eat yourself... avoid the starches for the most part... but other than that... should be easy enough for you to feed him... barely any preperation, a chicken leg, or thigh, or leg/thigh combo... pending on size of puppy at first... also keeps teeth VERY healty and strong... and white... toss him an apple to play with and eat for a snack in between... Sounds like a recipe for malnutrition. But hey, at least you're feeding with love! Yep, it's this kind of crap that makes me so anti-raw. No real clue what the actual nutritional needs of the dog are, just throw stuff at them--if it's raw, it must be the perfect diet! |
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Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet
Drachen wrote:
at least my vet has done research and doesn't toss useless cardboard at dogs... my dog has a variety of veggies, meat, and fruit to eat daily... lots of good protien, and other stuff... my dog is far from being malnurished... How do you know? It sounds as if you're just throwing a bunch of food at your dog without regard for protein/fat/carbohydrate balance, nutrients, micronutrients, or overall nutritional content. So again, how do you know whether or not your dog is receiving adequate nutrition? |
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Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet
I consult my vet who has done more than her share of research on the
subject, as well as following a basic guideline for more popular barf diets that are more commercially available... most vets only have to take one course in nutrition and they are generally pawns and pushers for dog food companies... You can also contact various places that make the diet and check for yourself. and in addition, rather than her getting shots every year, we take a blood test to see if she needs them, and to see how she is doing nutritionally... she is healthy, active, bright, strong, good bone structure, teeth are perfect, haven't yet needed any cleaning done on them, she poops and uriinates regularily, and at the moment she is almost 6 years old, black lab, and a seizure response dog for my son... more dogs suffer ear infections due to grain based diets, than do from barf... everytime I've given her more grain based diet she has had an ear infection... *due to mainly not having food available here... you know those days at the end of the month* so three ear infections was more than I wanted to deal with, and more than she wanted to deal with too... I feed chicken legs as a main staple, and about once a week a cheaper cut of beef, either roast or a steak, one day I will do eggs and fish mixed in with veggies... and she gets veggies and fruit daily... I play toss an apple with her down the hallway until she decides she wants to eat it... and she gets our veggie and some meat dishes that are left over... *I do a lot of stirfrys,* I avoid grapes and onions... and she gets no chocolate although with the looks she gives you would think she'd die if she didn't get some... *G* only one commercially available barf diet dogfood... http://www.barfworld.com/html/barf_diet/barfdiet.shtml there are some that may or may not meet nutritional needs, and I havne't looked at this as I use my own variation and have had no problems with it... she gets raw and cooked veggies... all kinds... and fruit, and what grains she gets *outside of corn which I class as a veggie I know slap my fingers* is generally given to her by my son... they like to share their macaroni... its a bonding thing... and rare occassional rice... mainly mixed with her sardines and only half a cups worth... so she does get a huge range... shes a very happy lab... and typically non stop hungry... but works well for her constant training... I've had my son on the keto diet... Im VERY familiar with carbs/fats/etc that need to be taken in etc... just translate to dog from child... with vets help of course... "Melinda Shore" wrote in message ups.com... Drachen wrote: at least my vet has done research and doesn't toss useless cardboard at dogs... my dog has a variety of veggies, meat, and fruit to eat daily... lots of good protien, and other stuff... my dog is far from being malnurished... How do you know? It sounds as if you're just throwing a bunch of food at your dog without regard for protein/fat/carbohydrate balance, nutrients, micronutrients, or overall nutritional content. So again, how do you know whether or not your dog is receiving adequate nutrition? |
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Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet
Drachen wrote:
I consult my vet who has done more than her share of research on the subject, as well as following a basic guideline for more popular barf diets that are more commercially available... most vets only have to take one course in nutrition and they are generally pawns and pushers for dog food companies... I have no idea what "more than her share of research" means. I also don't know how you *know* your dog is receiving adequate nutrition. I do know a dog that went blind from malnutrition (vegetarian owner put her on a diet of his own concoction). The dog was fine right up until she wasn't. she is healthy, active, bright, strong, good bone structure, teeth are perfect, haven't yet needed any cleaning done on them, she poops and uriinates regularily, Golly! If that's the standard you're going by, why would you fling poop about commercial diets, since most dogs on commercial diets meet the same standard? I think that your dog's diet is more about how it makes you feel than about how it makes the dog feel. |
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Eukanuba or Hill's Science Diet
"Melinda Shore" wrote in
ups.com: I think that your dog's diet is more about how it makes you feel than about how it makes the dog feel. When it comes to the higher end nutritionally complete diets, I have to totally agree with this. When it comes to my cats, I'm *always* trying to get them off of grain based kibbled diets. Why? Because grain based kibble feels completely unnatural to feed to obligate cornivores. So (and this will also suffice as an update to my latest diet change for Annie and the Cats), a few months ago I switched the cats to Evo (actually, one bag of Evo, and the second bag was the Prairie low carb version as the store ran out of my first choice) and I switched Annie to the canine version. Results: Mikey cat was actually doing pretty well, though I could tell he felt less enthusiastic about mealtimes. Annie was having some gastric issues- which given her recent bout of giardia as well as a diet change, I expected- but she just didn't seem quite up to her usual self to me. After a couple of weeks into the bag of Prairie, JJ ended up at the vets overnight with a near total constipated impaction. Ok, so its back to Iams for the cats and Natural Choice for Annie. The only switch I've made to the Iams for the cats is I changed to the new Iams Multi Cat formula. Don't know how, but it supposedly meets the nutritional needs of very different weight levels in cats. I think its bull, but hey if it levels them out by some magic chance, I'll take it. Or, if JJ stops getting fat (like she did with regular Iams) and stops ending up getting overnight enemas at the vets, well....I can live with that too. Something similar happened when I switched my cats (Mikey and my dear old Ben) to the freeze dried Prairie food. Again, Mikey did really well (as he always does when I remove fiber from his diet) but after a week Ben got such bad tummy pains I raced him to the vet....only to find out after Xrays that he just had REALLY bad gas from the food. I may, or may not, have learned my lesson. I say "may not" because of the sliver of weirdness in my brain that insists its the Prairie food that's causing all the problems. But, I'm going to try really hard to leave well enough alone this time. I'm a good example, though, of trying to feed a more "natural" food because of what *I* want to be true, in spite of the evidence showing how well my pets are doing on what they're getting. Tara |
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