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Phil L wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health:
cshenk wrote: snip Aunti Mabel, youngest Vet age estimate now is 15 (we call Thanksgiving her birthday so 16 before long). Heartworm but no apparent lingering systemic damage, arthritis. Same as Cash, she gets the bone broth and shrimp shells/heads but her jaw and teeth can't handle the raw marrow bone. We tried the shellfish based one but something in it didn't agree with her (though shrimp shells are fine). We swapped to one with no shellfish and the combination effect of the 2 have her hopping about almost like a puppy now. Thanks for the info, I might make some large batches (to freeze off in portions) of bone broth because my dog never bothers with bones, she's a TV dog, in that if it's on, she's in front of it running around in circles, this is why she never sits or lies down, and rarely even bothers with food or bones until it's switched off. Sorry to hear about your dogs with heartworm, thankfully we don't have this horrid parasite in the UK. I'll cointinue with the 500mg a day of the tablets while I already have them in - she's been on them 6 days now and no side effects as yet, then, if they do give her any benefit, I'll buy the powdered version and adjust her intake accordingly, although the tablets are easy to split into halves or quarters if they work out (much) more cost effective. I realise I might sound like a skinflint here and in other posts, but we live in Britain, where everyone is out to rip off everyone else, for instance, a quick check online throws up 'glucosamine sulphate for cats and dogs' from one supplier at #16 (about us$25) for 60 X 500mg, yet I can buy the human version for #2 ($3) for 90 X 500mg. It's the same with vet's prescriptions - they charge #40 - #50 just to see them, then any scripts are charged for even if you take them home to get the drugs online, and if you don't, the vet charges double what you would pay online, often a simple course of anti-biotics which have a value of less than a #1 can end up costing 70 or 80 times that if you go through the vet No problem Phil and if the pills are easier and cheaper in your case than the powder, by all means use them! It;s much better to save the spare #'s and use that to add a bit of better food for the dog. I freeze up the broth in 1 cup amounts here. Cash gets 1/2 cup, Aunti Mabel gets the rest minus 2 TB for the cat. I used to fiddle with ice trays to freeze it but now i need more so use simple stacking containers and pull one a day. It can not hurt to add this to the suppliments but you add no salt so if using some for yourself, salt it as you warm it back up. 2 carcasses of a 1- 1.5 KG chicken will make about 2 gallons (sorry, challanged there other than a gallon is about 2.5 L?) broth. Least espensive method is a slow cooker (called a crockpot here). A stand alone unit that plugs into an outlet, normally with a removable 'crock' of thick ceramic. You'll go broke doing it on the stove top but in this slow cooker, cost very little in electrics and the result is actually better. I was pressed for time last Xmas and only had pork broth handy and needed chicken. I got some from the store. Man, it was nasty salty water with no flavor. It was like they tried to make a liter of broth with 50 G of bones then salted it up. BTW, if it gels in the fridge, you did it right. If it doesnt, add more bone to water next time and cook a bit longer. -- |
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joint pain - US measurements
Quart = 960 ml or 32 oz, Liter = 1000 ml (30 ml = 1 oz, 8 oz = 1 cup)
Gallon = 4 quarts or 4 liters minus 1/2 cup or 160 ml, approx. KG = 2.2 lbs. 1.5 KG = about 3 1/4 lbs would be a good target. The largest slow-cooker I've actually seen in a store is only 7 quarts/liters. I have one each 3 qt and a 4 qt sizes.... so would split the chicken and the water between them to cook a bit over 3 lbs chicken with a bit over a quart (or 2 quarts?) each of water..... I seriously doubt if you'd get a gel-rich broth using that amount of chicken and 2 gallons of water, even cooking for about 24 hours, but I've never cooked anything that long.... Maybe 2 quarts + 1 cup.... or 4 quarts + 2 cups (4 1/2 qts)? I think. That much math is an effort, and my calculator has run away..... Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia, USA |
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joint pain OOPS
I only accounted for Half of the chicken you specified. 3 KG of chicken
and 2 gallons of water, maybe.... but check my math.... Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia, USA |
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cshenk wrote:
No problem Phil and if the pills are easier and cheaper in your case than the powder, by all means use them! It;s much better to save the spare #'s and use that to add a bit of better food for the dog. I freeze up the broth in 1 cup amounts here. Cash gets 1/2 cup, Aunti Mabel gets the rest minus 2 TB for the cat. I used to fiddle with ice trays to freeze it but now i need more so use simple stacking containers and pull one a day. It can not hurt to add this to the suppliments but you add no salt so if using some for yourself, salt it as you warm it back up. 2 carcasses of a 1- 1.5 KG chicken will make about 2 gallons (sorry, challanged there other than a gallon is about 2.5 L?) broth. Least A US gallon is 3.75L, but thanks for having a bash at the metrics :-) espensive method is a slow cooker (called a crockpot here). A stand alone unit that plugs into an outlet, normally with a removable 'crock' of thick ceramic. You'll go broke doing it on the stove top but in this slow cooker, cost very little in electrics and the result is actually better. I have access to a stockpot, although the more common name over here is slow cooker, and I do use them occasionally for making casseroles while I'm at work I was pressed for time last Xmas and only had pork broth handy and needed chicken. I got some from the store. Man, it was nasty salty water with no flavor. It was like they tried to make a liter of broth with 50 G of bones then salted it up. BTW, if it gels in the fridge, you did it right. If it doesnt, add more bone to water next time and cook a bit longer. I use a similar method when making pea and ham soup, so I know what to expect with regards to the jelly like substance when simmering the ham, the general rule is, if it sticks your lips together, it's perfectly done. How do you get it into the dogs? - I could just mix it with her regular food? Took her out yesterday with the ball and she chased a few rabbits and squirrels so it was a fairly active session and I didn't notice any kind of discomfort with her afterwards, - she's been on 500mg a day for 11 days and 2 days at 250mg, so I'll leave her on half a tab (250mg) from now on but they seem to have started working already. Can get bones for free from a local butcher so it'll probably be a mixture of beef and pork broth. No chance of getting chicken carcases as over here, it's mostly big supermarkets that really sell much chicken and they won't part with anything unless it's astronomically priced |
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A stock pot is just a large, tall kettle.... no heating element, used on
a stove top. Often used for making broth, stock and soups. Crock-Pot is the brand name of the original slow cooker, which does have it's own heating element.... now a number of brands are available.... The broth or gel from the fridge will be no problem for most dogs. Slurp and it's gone, but it certainly can be put on/in the food. Happy cooking! Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia, USA |
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joint pain OOPS
Jo Wolf wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health:
I only accounted for Half of the chicken you specified. 3 KG of chicken and 2 gallons of water, maybe.... but check my math.... Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia, USA I was trying to cross calculate and messed up a bit. I do not think liquids in metric though I can handle KG fine for meats. Basically you want the bones for 6 lbs of chickens which would be 2-3lbs of chicken before deboning. Basically cover them plus 1 inch with water and cook. Only 'momma crock' handles this. Thats a large oval that can handle a whole pork shoulder. http://www.amazon.com/Maxi-Matic-MST...Stainless/dp/B 000F7FM7O/ref=sr_1_1?s=appliances&ie=UTF8&qid=1341617692&sr= 1-1&keywords =large+slow+cooker 8.5 quart and quite a few like it. Mine commonly yields close to 2G results. European versions that are 'slow cookers' but not like USA crockpots range to 22 quarts. We'd call them rosters I think? -- |
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Phil L wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health:
cshenk wrote: No problem Phil and if the pills are easier and cheaper in your case than the powder, by all means use them! It;s much better to save the spare #'s and use that to add a bit of better food for the dog. I freeze up the broth in 1 cup amounts here. Cash gets 1/2 cup, Aunti Mabel gets the rest minus 2 TB for the cat. I used to fiddle with ice trays to freeze it but now i need more so use simple stacking containers and pull one a day. It can not hurt to add this to the suppliments but you add no salt so if using some for yourself, salt it as you warm it back up. 2 carcasses of a 1- 1.5 KG chicken will make about 2 gallons (sorry, challanged there other than a gallon is about 2.5 L?) broth. Least A US gallon is 3.75L, but thanks for having a bash at the metrics :-) Grin, thanks! I do better at the meats. That would be 2 chicken carcasses of about 3lbs before denuding each and water to cover plus an inch (one knuckle finger, like testing rice water). More bone is better! espensive method is a slow cooker (called a crockpot here). A stand alone unit that plugs into an outlet, normally with a removable 'crock' of thick ceramic. You'll go broke doing it on the stove top but in this slow cooker, cost very little in electrics and the result is actually better. I have access to a stockpot, although the more common name over here is slow cooker, and I do use them occasionally for making casseroles while I'm at work Humm, might be a different name. Peek at the picture I sent Jo? You have them but the name varies. It could be your 'stockpot' is the larger 22quart version that plugs to the wall instead of on the stove. Such name doesnt translate well to us poor little cousins on the other side of the water. I was pressed for time last Xmas and only had pork broth handy and needed chicken. I got some from the store. Man, it was nasty salty water with no flavor. It was like they tried to make a liter of broth with 50 G of bones then salted it up. BTW, if it gels in the fridge, you did it right. If it doesnt, add more bone to water next time and cook a bit longer. I use a similar method when making pea and ham soup, so I know what to expect with regards to the jelly like substance when simmering the ham, the general rule is, if it sticks your lips together, it's perfectly done. LOL! How do you get it into the dogs? - I could just mix it with her regular food? I feed it as a nooner nosh and never had a dog (or cat!) turn a nose up yet. They get positivelty 'miffy' if we are late in fact. Feed it on the side and watch what happens! Took her out yesterday with the ball and she chased a few rabbits and squirrels so it was a fairly active session and I didn't notice any kind of discomfort with her afterwards, - she's been on 500mg a day for 11 days and 2 days at 250mg, so I'll leave her on half a tab (250mg) from now on but they seem to have started working already. Thats good, keep with it. Adding more from your own kitchen leftovers will not hurt and might replace some of that added pill. Since i am using normal leftovers, this costs nothing on my end to add to their diet. Can get bones for free from a local butcher so it'll probably be a mixture of beef and pork broth. No chance of getting chicken carcases as over here, it's mostly big supermarkets that really sell much chicken and they won't part with anything unless it's astronomically priced Hehe Beef and pork work just as well! -- |
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Jo Wolf wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health:
A stock pot is just a large, tall kettle.... no heating element, used on a stove top. Often used for making broth, stock and soups. Crock-Pot is the brand name of the original slow cooker, which does have it's own heating element.... now a number of brands are available.... The broth or gel from the fridge will be no problem for most dogs. Slurp and it's gone, but it certainly can be put on/in the food. Happy cooking! Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia, USA LOL, sorry but that's USA/Canada terms. It's not quite the name in some other parts of the world. Sometimes I wish i had not traveled enough to know little detailes like that. Would have been nicer to watch my little girl grow up instead. -- |
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Is there some capsules or injection or in raw? If raw is given, then how? My pommy is shedding and feeling dandruff on body. Is olive a choice? |
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ill dog!
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:03:17 +0000, Askew
wrote: Sorry if posting in a wrong section. Actually, one of my siberian husky is not feeling well. I'm sure he got a tumour on rare left leg and feeling irritation. Because pain, he got angry and frustrated. I'm worried about it. What are suggestion! Is any trusty vet here? No one can diagnose your dog over the internet. Take your dog to the vet if he's in pain. |
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