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Old September 29th 03, 03:08 PM
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:08:30 -0500, Gwen Watson
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Bethgsd wrote:

Suja wrote:

Some say there must
be fences and yet they are willing to adopt to ppl
in apartments, thus there is no fence.

There are leash laws in this part of the world, Gwen. Ones that do get
enforced. Apartment dwellers are perfectly capable of owning dogs,


And I was one of those people. For four years I lived in an apartment and at
least four times a day my dogs went out for a walk on leash. And one of those
dogs was a high drive working lines shepherd. My living in an apartment didn't
stop any of the breeders I spoke to from thinking I might be a good home for a
dog.

Beth


Nor should they. Precisely my point. And just because a person
lives in a home without a fence that shouldn't make a hill
of beans either as per above message.

It is those double standards that annoy me.

Home owners are not going to pack up and leave
tomorrow as they must sell their property first.
Home owners are just as likely to walk their dogs
4 x's a day.
Home owners should not be treated differently
just because the home is a home with a yard.


1) Some breeds cannot be let off leash in an unfenced area the way
your breed can, Gwen. Fenced yards are a safety issue for those
breeds (and yes, I am aware that they could still escape out the front
door, if the back yard is fenced. 2) Dogs need to run. Some people
take their dogs to dog parks or other places where they can safely run
in an enclosed area. Some don't, or can't. A fenced yard enables
dogs to get offleash exercise. 3) My Siberians would be go crazy if
they had to stay inside all the time, especially in the winter. My
fenced yard enables them to safely hang out outside, playing,
sleeping, or whatever, those times when they'd prefer to be outside
rather than in (whichi is most of the time). This is just an example,
as I doubt that I'm the only owner of dogs that like to be outside
even when their people are inside.

Mustang Sally


"IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.."

Jokerpit, 09/25/03
  #912  
Old September 29th 03, 03:08 PM
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:08:30 -0500, Gwen Watson
wrote:



Bethgsd wrote:

Suja wrote:

Some say there must
be fences and yet they are willing to adopt to ppl
in apartments, thus there is no fence.

There are leash laws in this part of the world, Gwen. Ones that do get
enforced. Apartment dwellers are perfectly capable of owning dogs,


And I was one of those people. For four years I lived in an apartment and at
least four times a day my dogs went out for a walk on leash. And one of those
dogs was a high drive working lines shepherd. My living in an apartment didn't
stop any of the breeders I spoke to from thinking I might be a good home for a
dog.

Beth


Nor should they. Precisely my point. And just because a person
lives in a home without a fence that shouldn't make a hill
of beans either as per above message.

It is those double standards that annoy me.

Home owners are not going to pack up and leave
tomorrow as they must sell their property first.
Home owners are just as likely to walk their dogs
4 x's a day.
Home owners should not be treated differently
just because the home is a home with a yard.


1) Some breeds cannot be let off leash in an unfenced area the way
your breed can, Gwen. Fenced yards are a safety issue for those
breeds (and yes, I am aware that they could still escape out the front
door, if the back yard is fenced. 2) Dogs need to run. Some people
take their dogs to dog parks or other places where they can safely run
in an enclosed area. Some don't, or can't. A fenced yard enables
dogs to get offleash exercise. 3) My Siberians would be go crazy if
they had to stay inside all the time, especially in the winter. My
fenced yard enables them to safely hang out outside, playing,
sleeping, or whatever, those times when they'd prefer to be outside
rather than in (whichi is most of the time). This is just an example,
as I doubt that I'm the only owner of dogs that like to be outside
even when their people are inside.

Mustang Sally


"IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.."

Jokerpit, 09/25/03
  #913  
Old September 29th 03, 03:08 PM
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 08:08:30 -0500, Gwen Watson
wrote:



Bethgsd wrote:

Suja wrote:

Some say there must
be fences and yet they are willing to adopt to ppl
in apartments, thus there is no fence.

There are leash laws in this part of the world, Gwen. Ones that do get
enforced. Apartment dwellers are perfectly capable of owning dogs,


And I was one of those people. For four years I lived in an apartment and at
least four times a day my dogs went out for a walk on leash. And one of those
dogs was a high drive working lines shepherd. My living in an apartment didn't
stop any of the breeders I spoke to from thinking I might be a good home for a
dog.

Beth


Nor should they. Precisely my point. And just because a person
lives in a home without a fence that shouldn't make a hill
of beans either as per above message.

It is those double standards that annoy me.

Home owners are not going to pack up and leave
tomorrow as they must sell their property first.
Home owners are just as likely to walk their dogs
4 x's a day.
Home owners should not be treated differently
just because the home is a home with a yard.


1) Some breeds cannot be let off leash in an unfenced area the way
your breed can, Gwen. Fenced yards are a safety issue for those
breeds (and yes, I am aware that they could still escape out the front
door, if the back yard is fenced. 2) Dogs need to run. Some people
take their dogs to dog parks or other places where they can safely run
in an enclosed area. Some don't, or can't. A fenced yard enables
dogs to get offleash exercise. 3) My Siberians would be go crazy if
they had to stay inside all the time, especially in the winter. My
fenced yard enables them to safely hang out outside, playing,
sleeping, or whatever, those times when they'd prefer to be outside
rather than in (whichi is most of the time). This is just an example,
as I doubt that I'm the only owner of dogs that like to be outside
even when their people are inside.

Mustang Sally


"IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.."

Jokerpit, 09/25/03
  #914  
Old September 29th 03, 03:33 PM
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Gwen Watson wrote:

Sally I agree and do the same but what is being said here is
that

a) rescues will let apartment people have a dog if they qualify.

b) they will NOT let a home owner that doesn't have a fenced
in yard have a dog.


who said that?

i recall Suja stating (or implying) that a homeowner who has a
fenced yard must make sure the fence is dog-proof. a fence
with missing boards is worse than no fence at all. that's the
sort of thing a home check will help with, since the potential
adopter may not realize that their fence isn't dog-proof.

--
shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
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Old September 29th 03, 03:33 PM
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Gwen Watson wrote:

Sally I agree and do the same but what is being said here is
that

a) rescues will let apartment people have a dog if they qualify.

b) they will NOT let a home owner that doesn't have a fenced
in yard have a dog.


who said that?

i recall Suja stating (or implying) that a homeowner who has a
fenced yard must make sure the fence is dog-proof. a fence
with missing boards is worse than no fence at all. that's the
sort of thing a home check will help with, since the potential
adopter may not realize that their fence isn't dog-proof.

--
shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
  #916  
Old September 29th 03, 03:33 PM
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Gwen Watson wrote:

Sally I agree and do the same but what is being said here is
that

a) rescues will let apartment people have a dog if they qualify.

b) they will NOT let a home owner that doesn't have a fenced
in yard have a dog.


who said that?

i recall Suja stating (or implying) that a homeowner who has a
fenced yard must make sure the fence is dog-proof. a fence
with missing boards is worse than no fence at all. that's the
sort of thing a home check will help with, since the potential
adopter may not realize that their fence isn't dog-proof.

--
shelly (perfectly foul wench) and elliott and harriet
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette
  #917  
Old September 29th 03, 03:35 PM
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:01:33 -0500, Gwen Watson
wrote:



"sighthounds etc." wrote:


1) Some breeds cannot be let off leash in an unfenced area the way
your breed can, Gwen. Fenced yards are a safety issue for those
breeds (and yes, I am aware that they could still escape out the front
door, if the back yard is fenced. 2) Dogs need to run. Some people
take their dogs to dog parks or other places where they can safely run
in an enclosed area. Some don't, or can't. A fenced yard enables
dogs to get offleash exercise. 3) My Siberians would be go crazy if
they had to stay inside all the time, especially in the winter. My
fenced yard enables them to safely hang out outside, playing,
sleeping, or whatever, those times when they'd prefer to be outside
rather than in (whichi is most of the time). This is just an example,
as I doubt that I'm the only owner of dogs that like to be outside
even when their people are inside.

Mustang Sally


Sally I agree and do the same but what is being said here is
that

a) rescues will let apartment people have a dog if they qualify.

b) they will NOT let a home owner that doesn't have a fenced
in yard have a dog.

I call that double standards.


You can call it whatever you want; that does not make it so. I've
posted this before, but apparently you either didn't read it or don't
believe it. Our rescue, and other GH (and other breed) rescues I
know, will place older GHs or GHs with racing injuries in apartments,
because these dogs no longer need to run much, or perhaps cannot run
much. Even with older dogs, I encourage people to find a fenced area
where the dog can safely run occasionally if it is able and inclined
to do so. Dogs often cannot escape out of apartments into the street,
the way they can out of house doors with unfenced yards. When there
are children in a family, it's even easier for a dog to escape out of
the house into an unfenced yard.

We have also placed dogs with people in houses that have no fenced
yards (usually in cases where there are zoning restrictions).
However, this only happens when the people can convince me that they
will never just open the door at 11:00 p.m. when it is 0 degrees
outside and they don't feel like going out with the dog on leash for a
potty break. One way to convince me of this is prior experience with
dogs that were always kept on leash, or at least the owner was always
out with the dog; another is to get to know the people during a home
visit.

Our policies are in effect primarily as guidelines; there are only one
or two that are set in stone. We are as flexible as possible so that
the maximum number of dogs can find homes without endangering the
health or safety of any dogs.

You have made it crystal clear that you would never adopt from a
rescue, which is perfectly fine. Since you have never dealt with and
would never deal with a rescue group, and since your posts make it
clear (at least to me) that you not only disagree with, but also don't
really understand, the reasoning behind the policies and procedures of
most rescue groups, I don't really think you're in a position to
decide what is and isn't appropriate for rescue groups to do.

Mustang Sally


"IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.."

Jokerpit, 09/25/03
  #918  
Old September 29th 03, 03:35 PM
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:01:33 -0500, Gwen Watson
wrote:



"sighthounds etc." wrote:


1) Some breeds cannot be let off leash in an unfenced area the way
your breed can, Gwen. Fenced yards are a safety issue for those
breeds (and yes, I am aware that they could still escape out the front
door, if the back yard is fenced. 2) Dogs need to run. Some people
take their dogs to dog parks or other places where they can safely run
in an enclosed area. Some don't, or can't. A fenced yard enables
dogs to get offleash exercise. 3) My Siberians would be go crazy if
they had to stay inside all the time, especially in the winter. My
fenced yard enables them to safely hang out outside, playing,
sleeping, or whatever, those times when they'd prefer to be outside
rather than in (whichi is most of the time). This is just an example,
as I doubt that I'm the only owner of dogs that like to be outside
even when their people are inside.

Mustang Sally


Sally I agree and do the same but what is being said here is
that

a) rescues will let apartment people have a dog if they qualify.

b) they will NOT let a home owner that doesn't have a fenced
in yard have a dog.

I call that double standards.


You can call it whatever you want; that does not make it so. I've
posted this before, but apparently you either didn't read it or don't
believe it. Our rescue, and other GH (and other breed) rescues I
know, will place older GHs or GHs with racing injuries in apartments,
because these dogs no longer need to run much, or perhaps cannot run
much. Even with older dogs, I encourage people to find a fenced area
where the dog can safely run occasionally if it is able and inclined
to do so. Dogs often cannot escape out of apartments into the street,
the way they can out of house doors with unfenced yards. When there
are children in a family, it's even easier for a dog to escape out of
the house into an unfenced yard.

We have also placed dogs with people in houses that have no fenced
yards (usually in cases where there are zoning restrictions).
However, this only happens when the people can convince me that they
will never just open the door at 11:00 p.m. when it is 0 degrees
outside and they don't feel like going out with the dog on leash for a
potty break. One way to convince me of this is prior experience with
dogs that were always kept on leash, or at least the owner was always
out with the dog; another is to get to know the people during a home
visit.

Our policies are in effect primarily as guidelines; there are only one
or two that are set in stone. We are as flexible as possible so that
the maximum number of dogs can find homes without endangering the
health or safety of any dogs.

You have made it crystal clear that you would never adopt from a
rescue, which is perfectly fine. Since you have never dealt with and
would never deal with a rescue group, and since your posts make it
clear (at least to me) that you not only disagree with, but also don't
really understand, the reasoning behind the policies and procedures of
most rescue groups, I don't really think you're in a position to
decide what is and isn't appropriate for rescue groups to do.

Mustang Sally


"IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.."

Jokerpit, 09/25/03
  #919  
Old September 29th 03, 03:35 PM
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:01:33 -0500, Gwen Watson
wrote:



"sighthounds etc." wrote:


1) Some breeds cannot be let off leash in an unfenced area the way
your breed can, Gwen. Fenced yards are a safety issue for those
breeds (and yes, I am aware that they could still escape out the front
door, if the back yard is fenced. 2) Dogs need to run. Some people
take their dogs to dog parks or other places where they can safely run
in an enclosed area. Some don't, or can't. A fenced yard enables
dogs to get offleash exercise. 3) My Siberians would be go crazy if
they had to stay inside all the time, especially in the winter. My
fenced yard enables them to safely hang out outside, playing,
sleeping, or whatever, those times when they'd prefer to be outside
rather than in (whichi is most of the time). This is just an example,
as I doubt that I'm the only owner of dogs that like to be outside
even when their people are inside.

Mustang Sally


Sally I agree and do the same but what is being said here is
that

a) rescues will let apartment people have a dog if they qualify.

b) they will NOT let a home owner that doesn't have a fenced
in yard have a dog.

I call that double standards.


You can call it whatever you want; that does not make it so. I've
posted this before, but apparently you either didn't read it or don't
believe it. Our rescue, and other GH (and other breed) rescues I
know, will place older GHs or GHs with racing injuries in apartments,
because these dogs no longer need to run much, or perhaps cannot run
much. Even with older dogs, I encourage people to find a fenced area
where the dog can safely run occasionally if it is able and inclined
to do so. Dogs often cannot escape out of apartments into the street,
the way they can out of house doors with unfenced yards. When there
are children in a family, it's even easier for a dog to escape out of
the house into an unfenced yard.

We have also placed dogs with people in houses that have no fenced
yards (usually in cases where there are zoning restrictions).
However, this only happens when the people can convince me that they
will never just open the door at 11:00 p.m. when it is 0 degrees
outside and they don't feel like going out with the dog on leash for a
potty break. One way to convince me of this is prior experience with
dogs that were always kept on leash, or at least the owner was always
out with the dog; another is to get to know the people during a home
visit.

Our policies are in effect primarily as guidelines; there are only one
or two that are set in stone. We are as flexible as possible so that
the maximum number of dogs can find homes without endangering the
health or safety of any dogs.

You have made it crystal clear that you would never adopt from a
rescue, which is perfectly fine. Since you have never dealt with and
would never deal with a rescue group, and since your posts make it
clear (at least to me) that you not only disagree with, but also don't
really understand, the reasoning behind the policies and procedures of
most rescue groups, I don't really think you're in a position to
decide what is and isn't appropriate for rescue groups to do.

Mustang Sally


"IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.."

Jokerpit, 09/25/03
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Old September 29th 03, 03:50 PM
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"sighthounds etc." wrote:

You have made it crystal clear that you would never adopt from a
rescue, which is perfectly fine.


Only because of the double standards. I do not care to
deal with organizations that have double standards in
place and or a common denominator.

Since you have never dealt with and
would never deal with a rescue group,


I have dealt with. Not for adoption but for funding
raising, doing garage sales and helping out. So I am
not sure where you have gotten the idea I have
never dealty with a rescue group or would ever
because I most certainly have.


and since your posts make it
clear (at least to me) that you not only disagree with, but also don't
really understand, the reasoning behind the policies and procedures of
most rescue groups, I don't really think you're in a position to
decide what is and isn't appropriate for rescue groups to do.


That's fine but it is obvious to me as well that you don't really know
what I have and haven't done as far as volunteering.



Mustang Sally

"IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.."

Jokerpit, 09/25/03


Gwen

 




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