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Old April 18th 09, 05:22 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Charles Widmoore
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Default My dog had 7 teeth removed - i have to brush his teeth now - HELP!

I have a Maltese Poodle, he's 9/10 years old

The way i've been brushing his teeth is i have dog tooth paste (Chicken
flavor) and I get medical gloves, put some tooth paste on my finger, open
his mouth and do circle motions around the gums and teeth area

I'm too afraid to actually use the tooth brush that came with the package
because i feel i might do it too hard and hurt him...so this finger
approach it feels like i have more control and I won't hurt him but i'm
wondering am i wasting my time???

he had 7 teeth removed about 4 months ago, they were rotten and it took
awhile for him to heal from the operation, had to go through 3 sets of
different anti-biotics till he finally started to show improvement

He still seems sensitive around his mouth area...

am i wasting my time doing this circular motion with medical gloves and
tooth paste?

my dog is part of the family but I've had to spend over 1,000 for all the
medecine and procedures and I just don't have the money at the moment if
I had to go back to the vet ...I have Uncles who would have taken the
approach to put him to sleep
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Old April 18th 09, 05:41 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Dale Atkin
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Default My dog had 7 teeth removed - i have to brush his teeth now - HELP!

I wouldn't say you're wasting your time. You might be a bit better off with
a (slightly) more abrasive surface (like a jay cloth or something like
that). You can also get finger brushes which give you a little more control.

If you'd like, I have an instructional pamphlet that a classmate of mine
(vet student) put together, outlining a method to get your dog to accept
them brushing their teeth, and how to avoid hurting them, etc etc.

If you think it would be helpful, drop me an e-mail off group (d at kin a t
I by c us d o tc o m) and I'll see if I can get a hold of a digital copy of
it from her (its got some good tips in it).

Dale

"Charles Widmoore" wrote in message
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I have a Maltese Poodle, he's 9/10 years old

The way i've been brushing his teeth is i have dog tooth paste (Chicken
flavor) and I get medical gloves, put some tooth paste on my finger, open
his mouth and do circle motions around the gums and teeth area

I'm too afraid to actually use the tooth brush that came with the package
because i feel i might do it too hard and hurt him...so this finger
approach it feels like i have more control and I won't hurt him but i'm
wondering am i wasting my time???

he had 7 teeth removed about 4 months ago, they were rotten and it took
awhile for him to heal from the operation, had to go through 3 sets of
different anti-biotics till he finally started to show improvement

He still seems sensitive around his mouth area...

am i wasting my time doing this circular motion with medical gloves and
tooth paste?

my dog is part of the family but I've had to spend over 1,000 for all the
medecine and procedures and I just don't have the money at the moment if
I had to go back to the vet ...I have Uncles who would have taken the
approach to put him to sleep


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Old April 18th 09, 01:41 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
chardonnay9
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Default My dog had 7 teeth removed - i have to brush his teeth now -HELP!

Charles Widmoore wrote:
I have a Maltese Poodle, he's 9/10 years old

The way i've been brushing his teeth is i have dog tooth paste (Chicken
flavor) and I get medical gloves, put some tooth paste on my finger, open
his mouth and do circle motions around the gums and teeth area

I'm too afraid to actually use the tooth brush that came with the package
because i feel i might do it too hard and hurt him...so this finger
approach it feels like i have more control and I won't hurt him but i'm
wondering am i wasting my time???

he had 7 teeth removed about 4 months ago, they were rotten and it took
awhile for him to heal from the operation, had to go through 3 sets of
different anti-biotics till he finally started to show improvement

He still seems sensitive around his mouth area...

am i wasting my time doing this circular motion with medical gloves and
tooth paste?

my dog is part of the family but I've had to spend over 1,000 for all the
medecine and procedures and I just don't have the money at the moment if
I had to go back to the vet ...I have Uncles who would have taken the
approach to put him to sleep


This is a great example of how vets treat situations probably caused by
eating commercial dog food. Genetics do play a part but let's face it,
if the dog had been eating something more species appropriate this would
not have happened.

Just give him some raw meaty bones and he will clean his own teeth.
Improve his diet, throw away the kibble and canned. Raw feeding would be
best but even a home cooked diet would be an improvement.

This is a prime example of vets making money from pets who are fed a
commercial diet. I don't brush any of my pets' teeth and don't have to.
They all have bright pearly whites!
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Old April 18th 09, 01:49 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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Default My dog had 7 teeth removed - i have to brush his teeth now -HELP!

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
This is a prime example of vets making money from pets who are fed a
commercial diet. I don't brush any of my pets' teeth and don't have to.
They all have bright pearly whites!


Yeah, it's amazing how easy it is to keep Beanie Babies
clean.

Anyway, chard doesn't have veterinary training. Heck, she
didn't even graduate from high school and rather than going
to secondary sources (research papers) for data on what
works and what doesn't, she relies on extremist websites.
For example, she recently made a bunch of assertions about
vaccines and pancreatitis and referenced someone who claims
to be a vet, but if you go to the website not only does the
"vet" not describe her own qualifications, she doesn't even
cite any studies supporting her assertions. And when you do
a web search what you find is NO studies linking
pancreatitis and vaccines in dogs, and the vaccines linked
to pancreatitis in humans are not given to dogs. And when
asked about that chard stayed silent. That's how she works.

When she says "is" and "would" and whatnot she's making
stuff up, and she gives advice that can hurt and kill dogs.
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Old April 18th 09, 03:42 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
chardonnay9
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Default My dog had 7 teeth removed - i have to brush his teeth now -HELP!

Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
This is a prime example of vets making money from pets who are fed a
commercial diet. I don't brush any of my pets' teeth and don't have to.
They all have bright pearly whites!


Yeah, it's amazing how easy it is to keep Beanie Babies
clean.

Anyway, chard doesn't have veterinary training. Heck, she
didn't even graduate from high school and rather than going
to secondary sources (research papers) for data on what
works and what doesn't, she relies on extremist websites.


Why do you feel the need to personally attack me with lies? Are you
mentally ill? Not taking those meds?

None of what you posted is or ever has been true. Why flame me while
ignoring what the OP posted? Get a new hobby! You've proven your illness
simply by posting here, no need to be medically trained to see it.

Why do you hate it when I post truthfully here? Got stock in kibble?
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Old April 18th 09, 04:14 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
sighthounds & siberians
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Default My dog had 7 teeth removed - i have to brush his teeth now - HELP!

On 18 Apr 2009 08:49:52 -0400, (Melinda Shore) wrote:

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
This is a prime example of vets making money from pets who are fed a
commercial diet. I don't brush any of my pets' teeth and don't have to.
They all have bright pearly whites!


Yeah, it's amazing how easy it is to keep Beanie Babies
clean.


I dunno. My Audubon birds get pretty dusty.

I think genetics is just about everything when it comes to dogs'
teeth. I glanced at 4 year-old Gene's teeth (greyhound) the other day
and was fairly appalled; he had a dental at not quite 2 and could use
another one. So, out came the magic Petzlife oral gel. Mukluk the
Siberian is 14 at the very youngest and 16 at the very oldest, has
eaten kibble for all of his years, and has never had a dental in his
life. If a vet were to guesstimate his age based on his teeth, they'd
probably say around 5. (That's probably why we thought Boomer was 8
when he was most likely 14 or so.)

Anyway, chard doesn't have veterinary training. Heck, she
didn't even graduate from high school and rather than going
to secondary sources (research papers) for data on what
works and what doesn't, she relies on extremist websites.
For example, she recently made a bunch of assertions about
vaccines and pancreatitis and referenced someone who claims
to be a vet, but if you go to the website not only does the
"vet" not describe her own qualifications, she doesn't even
cite any studies supporting her assertions. And when you do
a web search what you find is NO studies linking
pancreatitis and vaccines in dogs, and the vaccines linked
to pancreatitis in humans are not given to dogs. And when
asked about that chard stayed silent. That's how she works.

When she says "is" and "would" and whatnot she's making
stuff up, and she gives advice that can hurt and kill dogs.


Yep. Best not to believe a word she says.

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Old April 18th 09, 04:23 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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Default My dog had 7 teeth removed - i have to brush his teeth now -HELP!

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
None of what you posted is or ever has been true.


Of course it's true - all anybody has to do is go back and
look at your posts, and the responses to them. It's all
there in ones and zeros.

Why do you hate it when I post truthfully here? Got stock in kibble?


Because you don't post truthfully (or rather, you post what
you know and what you know is incorrect) and the advice you
throw about so irresponsibly can hurt or kill dogs. And
that's the bottom line.
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Old April 18th 09, 04:28 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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Default My dog had 7 teeth removed - i have to brush his teeth now - HELP!

In article ,
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
I think genetics is just about everything when it comes to dogs'
teeth.


Yeah, there are a lot of variables in there and using
friction to get tartar off the teeth is just one piece of it
that may be major in one dog and minor in another. There's
also acid/base balance and a bunch of other factors that
determine whether or not any given mouth is a hospitable
place for bacteria.
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Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community
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Old April 18th 09, 04:45 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Dale Atkin
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Default My dog had 7 teeth removed - i have to brush his teeth now - HELP!

Chardonnay --- I've been meaning to ask you:

You are a very ardent supporter of raw feeding. You are passionate about.
That much I can tell from your posts.

I'm open to learning, but I need to make sure my data comes from a reputable
source (this doesn't mean some random site off the internet, or some random
book that someone with DVM after their name published).

Can you point me to any peer reviewed research to support any of the claims
you've made re. a raw diet. The problem with testimonials, is that they are
purely anecdotal. For every dog you find me with 'great teeth on a raw
diet', I can find you two more with great teeth on a kibble diet. I'm also
not convinced that wild canids don't have dental problems.

Telling stories isn't enough. I want some real, hard data. If I'm going to
be able to speak intelligently about a raw diet to someone else, it has to
be based on more than just anecdotal evidence.

I've been looking, and have yet to find a really good source.

Can you help me?

Dale


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Old April 18th 09, 08:31 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Paul E. Schoen
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Default My dog had 7 teeth removed - i have to brush his teeth now - HELP!


"chardonnay9" wrote in message
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Just give him some raw meaty bones and he will clean his own teeth.
Improve his diet, throw away the kibble and canned. Raw feeding would be
best but even a home cooked diet would be an improvement.

This is a prime example of vets making money from pets who are fed a
commercial diet. I don't brush any of my pets' teeth and don't have to.
They all have bright pearly whites!


Muttley is almost five now, and the vet said his teeth looked "perfect". I
feed him mostly kibble, but also raw heart meat, various human food, and he
always has marrow bones to chew on.

Maybe we can take a poll on RPDH and get an idea if there is any
correlation between dental problems and breed and/or diet. But it would
still probably be statistically insignificant. Maybe if people would ask
their vets to provide some data, that would increase the number of samples
and provide helpful information.

Paul and Muttley


 




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