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"Papa Dog" wrote in message ... In article , says... In article .com, Steve Crane wrote: Additionally the starch or carbohydrate fraction of corn - like all grains - is nearly 99% digestible in dogs. The protein fraction of corn is more digestible than any other grain commonly used in pet foods. This would be where I refer you to Huff's "How To Lie With Statistics." "99% of the good stuff is good! Woohoo!" The problem is that dog foods commonly contain corn hull and less digestible parts of corn. To the person Steve's responding to: we have a little ethics problem here in rpdh. Steve and the Gaub are on Hills payroll. Sharon sells Science Diet. They should have told you that. I've read this group for a long time. I'm well aware whose payroll they're on. I don't work for any dogfood company. I've had dogs all my life and I know a crap dog food when I read the ingredients. There are lot of good ones out there. A lot of bad ones too. Iams is not great, neither is Hills for that matter. They're both better than ole roy, but then that ain't sayin' much. You sound like you know a thing or two about dog food, Papa, so I'll put it to you. What dog food do you like best, if money is no object? |
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wolfpuppy wrote: Since I paid a great deal of money for my pup, I took her at her word. You'd pay a huge amount of money for a doodle dog and those breeders are some of the biggest dog morons on the planet. I'm not sure why you're equating "sells at high prices" with "knows a lot about dog food," but the fact that she recommended IAMS is kind of a big hint that she doesn't, actually. Vets can be pretty hit and miss on dog food. Some know a lot about nutrition, some don't. Some know a lot about what's on the market, some don't. When I questioned my vet on IAMS, he was very quick to point out that it was a high quality dog food. It's probably better than Purina Dog Chow or Old Roy. What was your vet comparing it to? It isn't true in every case, but I feel that you most often get what you pay for. I've found the correlation to be pretty loose, but if that's what you believe why are you buying a less expensive dog food? For example, the IAMS company itself produces a premium brand (Eukanuba) - why aren't you buying that? What about the probably dozens of other premium brands? -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community. |
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In article ,
wolfpuppy wrote: Melinda, what problems, exactly, did you have when you were using Science Diet dog food? Dry skin and coat, hard poops (firm poops are good, hard poops aren't), and low energy levels. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community. |
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article , wolfpuppy wrote: Since I paid a great deal of money for my pup, I took her at her word. You'd pay a huge amount of money for a doodle dog and those breeders are some of the biggest dog morons on the planet. I'm not sure why you're equating "sells at high prices" with "knows a lot about dog food," but the fact that she recommended IAMS is kind of a big hint that she doesn't, actually. Vets can be pretty hit and miss on dog food. Some know a lot about nutrition, some don't. Some know a lot about what's on the market, some don't. When I questioned my vet on IAMS, he was very quick to point out that it was a high quality dog food. It's probably better than Purina Dog Chow or Old Roy. What was your vet comparing it to? It isn't true in every case, but I feel that you most often get what you pay for. I've found the correlation to be pretty loose, but if that's what you believe why are you buying a less expensive dog food? For example, the IAMS company itself produces a premium brand (Eukanuba) - why aren't you buying that? What about the probably dozens of other premium brands? -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community. My dogs parents were imported from Germany and are registered down to the number of teeth. When you deal with german breeds, you are dealing with some of the finest and purest breed dogs on the planet, so don't go referring to my dogs as doodle dogs, whatever the hell that is. There are backyard breeders, then there are breeders who breed for show, but that is a subject or later discussion, if you wish. As far as Eukenuba dog food...I wasn't aware that it was produced by IAMS. I will investigate and find out if it is indeed a better quality dog food. If so, I may change to it. I simply want the best. |
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 19:06:04 -0500, "wolfpuppy" ,
clicked their heels and said: When you deal with german breeds, you are dealing with some of the finest and purest breed dogs on the planet, so don't go referring to my dogs as doodle dogs, whatever the hell that is. she was referring to the mixed breed "doodles" - labradoodles, goldendoodles, etc. They cost a lot of money. That isn't a criteria to base quality on. No idea what dogs you have but don't know why they are "better" than anyone else's dog either. As far as Eukenuba dog food...I wasn't aware that it was produced by IAMS. Pretty common knowledge. -- Janet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfr...bedience/album |
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Papa Dog wrote: In article .com, says... Oh boy, here we go again.... sigh Papa Dog wrote: In my opinion, its not that great. I think you can do a lot better. Corn is the second ingredient. This is the #3 cause of alergies in dogs. Yup, I have a cite. I'll find it and post it. Hopefully it'll be at least a Grade 2 or Grade 1 study and not somebody's opinion. This sounds as if it was written by Nutro. The part about digestibility is not neccessarily true. Again, do you have any cites to back this up? Actually came right from AAFCO. Then you should have no problem citing chapter and verse. I'll be waiting for that one, too. Dried beet pulp is just a filler. Actually, it's a fiber source. Its a high source of sugar and is used as a filler. Its garbage. That's your opinion which is not based in fact. Do you deny that beet pulp is a source of fiber? There's more to nutrition than just reading ingredient panels. That will not tell you the whole story and will only lead you astray. I gave my opinion. You gave yours. If its not about good ingredients then what is it about? I know fat content, fiber, protien and other things are important, but what they come from is important, at least to me. It's about the nutrients that those ingredients provide. Don't forget about phosphorus, calcium, magnesium, etc. Nutrition goes much deeper than what the ingredient is. You've got to start with the nutrient profile you are trying to achieve and work backward from there. You don't start with what ingredient "sounds" good and then hope you stumble upon proper nutrition in the process. |
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Papa Dog wrote: I've read this group for a long time. I'm well aware whose payroll they're on. I don't work for any dogfood company. I've had dogs all my life and I know a crap dog food when I read the ingredients. ....and that's where you got led astray, just as I predicted. |
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"wolfpuppy" wrote in message:
My dogs parents were imported from Germany and are registered down to the number of teeth. When you deal with german breeds, you are dealing with some of the finest and purest breed dogs on the planet, so don't go referring to my dogs as doodle dogs, whatever the hell that is. OY! What was being said here is that there isn't necessarily a correlation between the quality of the breeder and the amount of money they charge for the dog. Just as an example, some of the pricier dogs are often found at petstores, although the pups are the product of puppy mills. And being,imported, or of foreign descent, or having registrations up the wazoo aren't necessarily an indicator of quality either. I've seen some pretty craptacular dogs that looked wonderful on paper. I am NOT saying anything about the quality of your dog or his wonderful lineage, mind you. Suja |
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Melinda Shore wrote: .. (Although frankly, until you hire someone to do literature evaluation who's actually qualified to do literature evaluation there's really no way of knowing whether or not your understanding of any given set of results is correct in the first place.) I see, you consider yourself to be more knowledgable about small animal clinical nutrition than the 200 plus veterinarians who work for Hill's and the 30+ boarded diplomates of one veterinary board or another that work at Hill's, more knowledgable than the dozens of pHd's in nutrition that work at Hill's. More knowledgable than the scientists and veterinarians who did the two thousand plus clinical studies referenced in Small Animal ClinicaI Nutrition IV and I suppose you know more than the people who developed 90% of all the veterinary therapeutic diets over the past 60 years? Give me a break, that's hardly a member of a "reality based community". |
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