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Old October 31st 05, 09:51 PM
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Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has one, or knows someone who does.

Also, has anyone ever had any experience with (or know someone who has)
Flying W Farms in Piketon, OH?

Thank you very much.

VB
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Old November 1st 05, 03:27 AM
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:51:08 GMT VERUS BELLATOR whittled these words:
I was wondering if anyone has one, or knows someone who does.
Also, has anyone ever had any experience with (or know someone who has)
Flying W Farms in Piketon, OH?


I don't but here are the common things you should be looking for in any
breeder

1. How are they tracking what they produce? Do they contact their puppy
buyers on a regular basis?

2. Do they require their puppy buyers to report signficant health issues?

3. What kind of screening do they use before breeding? The mastiff breeds
are prone to cardiac issues, cystinuria, hip and elbow dysplasia, cancer,
epilepsy, and pra.

It is sheer foolishness for any breeder to claim that their dogs are never
prone to any of these if they are not tracking and recording the health of
a significant percentage of the dogs produced, and even more so if they
never actually look for the problem. It should be pretty obvious to any
idiot that if you close your eyes you won't see.

Still some breeders will say with a straight face that their dogs never
have problems, but further investigation reveals they have no records and
they have never actually screened dogs for problems. If a breeder can't
produce evidence from a neutral party (like OFA) of screening for
significant health issues, run the other way.

4. What are the contract terms? A responsible breeder will make every
effort to see that the dogs they create never become society's problem,
never end up in rescue or shelter. Of course they don't have 100%
control, but look at the contract - do they at least require that the
person getting the dog contact them before giving up the dog? Why
encourage a breeder who makes no effort to keep their dogs out of the
death camps?

5. Watch out for claims that are not consistent with genetic reality.
Breeding two unhealthy dogs, or two apparently healthy dogs with unhealthy
genetics, increases the risks that the puppies will be unhealthy. If two
dogs are carrying the genetic material for a problem the fact that the two
dogs are of different breeds is meaningless in avoiding that problem.
Again, unless there are sigificant records in the pedigree as the health
you've got pretty much nothing supporting a breeder's claims of good
health.

6. Look at what the breeder does to create the best chances that the match
between puppy and person will be a good one, and that the puppy will have
a permanent home. What is the extent of the breeder's interview and
investigation as to whether the person is ready to provide for the needs
of the dog?

7. Look for other indications of behavior on the part of the breeder that
shows they are acting in a responsible way, rather than just mouthing the
words. For example, breeders of many of the larger breeds will rebate
part of the purchase price if the buyer completes an obedience title. Or
they simply make taking an obedience class a contractual requirement. I'm
not saying a breeder is fails the responsibility test if these aren't
included, but such steps can indicate the interest of the breeder in
seeing to the welfare of the dog.

8. Ask the breeder about specific instances in which a dog was returned -
either as a puppy or as an adult. Now the ideal is certainly that it
won't have happened. But reality is that life is no peach and the more a
breeder produces the more likely it is that one dog or another will lose
its home. So the question is what does the breeder actually DO at that
point, as opposed to what they SAY they would do.

The more puppies the breeder produces the more likely it is that such a
circumstance has arisen. If a breeder has produced 100 puppies and never
had such circumstance arise then either they aren't following up on their
dogs very well, they aren't taking them back as the should, or they are
very likely LYING. Because the chances of 100 puppies living out their
lives in their original homes trouble free are too small to contemplate.
Oh it COULD theoretcially happen, but it would take a lot of evidence
before you could convince me that in a particular circumstance that it DID
happen.


For more on evaluating breeders see
http://www.dogplay.com/GettingDog

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Old November 1st 05, 07:12 PM
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THANKS! Excellent info, much appreciated.

VB
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Old August 21st 06, 09:05 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.breeds
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VERUS BELLATOR:
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has one, or knows someone who does.

Also, has anyone ever had any experience with (or know someone who

has)
Flying W Farms in Piketon, OH?

Thank you very much.

VB



Hello,

I have an American Mastiff (male Fawn) that I purchased directly from
Flying W Farms. He is very loyal and very good with kids and friends.
He is now 195 lbs. and stands 37" from the top of his back to the
ground. Flying W Farms was a good experience. Fredricka Wagner is the
name of the lady there, and is very friendly and helpful. These are
very big dogs and require a lot of attention. Please make sure you do
your home work and are prepared for such a task. I have owned large
dogs (german shepards and such) all my life, and getting through the
puppy stages with a dog that will weigh about 100 lbs at the nine month
point was more of a challenge than I ever expected, but well worth it if
you have the time and patients. They will not do well at all as an
outside dog. Let me know if you need any other info.

Good Luck

CM
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Old August 21st 06, 09:44 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.breeds
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:05:18 -0600, "Cliff Martin" nospam@invalid
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Flying W Farms


I cannot see anything on their website to recommend them as a
responsible breeder of dogs. But, hey, all their puppies are "equally
adorable." That must count for something. And they're all available
for the "adoption" price of USD1200. What a bargain!

Let me know if you need any other info.


The post to which you replied was nearly a year old. I don't expect the
OP is still hanging about, waiting for an answer.

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