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Old July 30th 03, 03:43 PM
Marcel Beaudoin
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Marcel Beaudoin wrote in
. 1.4:

Suja wrote in
:

I don't have access to this journal, but this one might be a
worthwhile read if you can get your hands on it(maybe Dr. B has
access?).


I don't, but I asked a friend who is dating someone in vet school to
see if I can get an electronic copy.


In the mean time, if someone speaks spanish, they should try goinmg to
this site http://www.al-dia.cl/sistema/tablas/...x-vf.asp?id=25
(or http://tinyurl.com/iifs )and then go to Clinical Techniques in Small
Animal Practice. Scroll down to pages 103-106 and then click on the
Obtener link. It looks like you can register for free and pay a small
amount to get access to the journal and get a copy of the article. I
*think*. I know my alma mater doesn't carry it.

Also in the mean time, you might browse through the following google
search:
http://www.google.ca/search?num=50&h...-8&newwindow=1
&safe=off&q=principles+treatment+mammary+gland+tum ors+chemotherapy&btnG=G
oogle+Search&meta=
or
http://tinyurl.com/iig2

It might prove to be useful. It looks like it is mostly reports on types
of treatment, but I don't know.

Here is a search page on Dog mammary tumor
http://www.google.ca/search?num=50&h...-8&newwindow=1
&safe=off&q=dog+mammary++tumor&btnG=Google+Search& meta=
or
http://tinyurl.com/iigg



Good luck and my thoughts go out to you.

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they'd do it.' -- Hobbes
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Old July 30th 03, 04:03 PM
Suja
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Suja wrote:

I don't have access to this journal, but this one might be a worthwhile
read if you can get your hands on it(maybe Dr. B has access?).

Principles of treatment for mammary gland tumors. Novosad CA. Clin
Tech Small Anim Pract. 2003 May;18(2):107-9.


Tracked it down. Locally, the NLM (National Library of Medicine) has
it, but it won't be available to the public until tomorrow at the
earliest. I can swing by and grab a copy if you'd like.

Suja

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Old July 30th 03, 04:03 PM
Suja
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Suja wrote:

I don't have access to this journal, but this one might be a worthwhile
read if you can get your hands on it(maybe Dr. B has access?).

Principles of treatment for mammary gland tumors. Novosad CA. Clin
Tech Small Anim Pract. 2003 May;18(2):107-9.


Tracked it down. Locally, the NLM (National Library of Medicine) has
it, but it won't be available to the public until tomorrow at the
earliest. I can swing by and grab a copy if you'd like.

Suja

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Old July 30th 03, 05:39 PM
buglady
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"House"O"Dogs" wrote in message
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Our much beloved 12 year old German Shepherd, Josey, had a mammary tumor
removed a week ago.


The vet said that he got "clean margins" around the
surgical area and that her lymph nodes do not appear to be enlarged.


I want Josey to have a wonderful life, and not be wracked by side effects

of
Chemo. If she has limited time left here on earth with us, I want her to
enjoy it.


Nutrition and Cancer:
http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proce...02&PID=pr02638

Prognostic Factors for Canine & Feline Mammary Cancer:
http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB...00/PR00181.htm
This report indicates adjuvant chemo not advised for your situation as it
apparently has no value. If the margins were really clean, then your pup is
in the best possible shape for this situation. You'll need to know the
histologic stage and type of the tumor.

There might be more articles at this site in the Oral Presentation sections:
http://www.wsava.org/

Gulf Coast VEterinary Specialists has a pretty well known oncology group. I
checked and did not find any specific chemotherapeutic protocol for mammary
cancer. Did your vets actually suggest chemo?
http://www.gcvs.com/oncology/pwc/index.htm

Also check here - you can order any paper for $3.95:
www.iknowledgenow.com

You might do a search on CLA - conjugated linoleic acid or check this
website for links under Cancer:
www.bowchow.com

Best of luck to your and your oldster
buglady
take out the dog before replying


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Old July 30th 03, 05:39 PM
buglady
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"House"O"Dogs" wrote in message
...
Our much beloved 12 year old German Shepherd, Josey, had a mammary tumor
removed a week ago.


The vet said that he got "clean margins" around the
surgical area and that her lymph nodes do not appear to be enlarged.


I want Josey to have a wonderful life, and not be wracked by side effects

of
Chemo. If she has limited time left here on earth with us, I want her to
enjoy it.


Nutrition and Cancer:
http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proce...02&PID=pr02638

Prognostic Factors for Canine & Feline Mammary Cancer:
http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB...00/PR00181.htm
This report indicates adjuvant chemo not advised for your situation as it
apparently has no value. If the margins were really clean, then your pup is
in the best possible shape for this situation. You'll need to know the
histologic stage and type of the tumor.

There might be more articles at this site in the Oral Presentation sections:
http://www.wsava.org/

Gulf Coast VEterinary Specialists has a pretty well known oncology group. I
checked and did not find any specific chemotherapeutic protocol for mammary
cancer. Did your vets actually suggest chemo?
http://www.gcvs.com/oncology/pwc/index.htm

Also check here - you can order any paper for $3.95:
www.iknowledgenow.com

You might do a search on CLA - conjugated linoleic acid or check this
website for links under Cancer:
www.bowchow.com

Best of luck to your and your oldster
buglady
take out the dog before replying


  #16  
Old August 2nd 03, 09:09 AM
Diana
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"Nomdeplume" wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:21:48 +0100, "Diana"
wrote:

[..]

Hello,

What is CDRM (or DM)? I am a new GSD owner, and I know about the
auto-immune disease, pano, hip dysplasia. But this is a new one for
me.

My previous dogs have all been fed a mix of Solid Gold and "people
food" protein, to up the protein content to around 30%. Solid Gold is
well... as expensive as solid gold, and I am trying to find a high
quality economical feed for the new GSD kid.. The rescue had her on
Diamond, but I get concerned when the first ingredient is "chicken
meal from byproducts".

I can't join Yahoo groups that I don't have the exact name for (to sub
via email, not the web). I have firewall issues with the web site.
Is there a non-Yahoo list?


I don't know of any non yahoo lists, but you can learn a lot about CDRM on
the list's web site and from some of the links, and maybe from there find
another list.

http://server3003.freeyellow.com/dmroster/index01.html

Stone was diagnosed with CDRM on the 4th April 2002. CDRM stands for chronic
degenerative radiculomyelopathy, in the US it is more simply referred to as
degenerative myelopathy.

Very basically, it is an auto immune disease which affected the spinal
chord. Syptoms might not be so obvious at first but signs might be that you
hear the toenails scrape the surface of the ground as the dog walks. It is
very common in GSD's but is known to affect a few other breeds. The nearest
human equivelent is MS.

We were treating her for this and we just put her apparant awkwardness down
to impared nerve function. Our vet never said for one minute that her hips
were also bad ~ but that's a different issue and a good reason why our new
pup will be visiting a different practice.

Diana


  #17  
Old August 2nd 03, 09:09 AM
Diana
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"Nomdeplume" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:21:48 +0100, "Diana"
wrote:

[..]

Hello,

What is CDRM (or DM)? I am a new GSD owner, and I know about the
auto-immune disease, pano, hip dysplasia. But this is a new one for
me.

My previous dogs have all been fed a mix of Solid Gold and "people
food" protein, to up the protein content to around 30%. Solid Gold is
well... as expensive as solid gold, and I am trying to find a high
quality economical feed for the new GSD kid.. The rescue had her on
Diamond, but I get concerned when the first ingredient is "chicken
meal from byproducts".

I can't join Yahoo groups that I don't have the exact name for (to sub
via email, not the web). I have firewall issues with the web site.
Is there a non-Yahoo list?


I don't know of any non yahoo lists, but you can learn a lot about CDRM on
the list's web site and from some of the links, and maybe from there find
another list.

http://server3003.freeyellow.com/dmroster/index01.html

Stone was diagnosed with CDRM on the 4th April 2002. CDRM stands for chronic
degenerative radiculomyelopathy, in the US it is more simply referred to as
degenerative myelopathy.

Very basically, it is an auto immune disease which affected the spinal
chord. Syptoms might not be so obvious at first but signs might be that you
hear the toenails scrape the surface of the ground as the dog walks. It is
very common in GSD's but is known to affect a few other breeds. The nearest
human equivelent is MS.

We were treating her for this and we just put her apparant awkwardness down
to impared nerve function. Our vet never said for one minute that her hips
were also bad ~ but that's a different issue and a good reason why our new
pup will be visiting a different practice.

Diana


  #18  
Old August 4th 03, 07:06 AM
Lynn K.
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"House\"O\"Dogs" wrote in message ...

My vet is going to talk to me about chemotherapy today.


What did your vet say, Lea? Did he/she give you a referral to an
oncologist? You might be able to get some realistic answers there.
Frankly, my concern would be that the DM would progress faster than
the development of another mammary tumor or second site, making chemo
somewhat pointless. It's certainly true that dogs respond differently
to chemo than humans do, but the timing you might expect from Josey's
other conditions would be a factor. An oncologist might also be able
to give you data about the impact of chemo on adrenal glands, given
our breed's sensitivity in that area and her pre-Cushings state.

I know you'll make the right decision for Josey, whatever that
decision is.

An aside - if you can get a copy of this month's GSD Review, there's a
5 page spread on our rescue. Nice article.

Yours in GSD Rescue,
Lynn K.
  #19  
Old August 4th 03, 07:06 AM
Lynn K.
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"House\"O\"Dogs" wrote in message ...

My vet is going to talk to me about chemotherapy today.


What did your vet say, Lea? Did he/she give you a referral to an
oncologist? You might be able to get some realistic answers there.
Frankly, my concern would be that the DM would progress faster than
the development of another mammary tumor or second site, making chemo
somewhat pointless. It's certainly true that dogs respond differently
to chemo than humans do, but the timing you might expect from Josey's
other conditions would be a factor. An oncologist might also be able
to give you data about the impact of chemo on adrenal glands, given
our breed's sensitivity in that area and her pre-Cushings state.

I know you'll make the right decision for Josey, whatever that
decision is.

An aside - if you can get a copy of this month's GSD Review, there's a
5 page spread on our rescue. Nice article.

Yours in GSD Rescue,
Lynn K.
  #20  
Old August 11th 03, 05:42 PM
Nomdeplume
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 09:09:13 +0100, "Diana"
wrote:



Hi Diana

I am so sorry you are having to deal with this. I have fallen hard
for my new GSD girl, and I'd be a basket cae if anything like this
befell her. We'll say a prayer for you and Stone.

Thank you for the info. This is the disease I had read about, but
apparantly didn't know the acronym for.

I could join a yahoo group - IF - I knew the precise name of it. I
can email Yahoo, but the firewall prevents me from visiting the
website.

Thanks


I don't know of any non yahoo lists, but you can learn a lot about CDRM on
the list's web site and from some of the links, and maybe from there find
another list.

http://server3003.freeyellow.com/dmroster/index01.html

Stone was diagnosed with CDRM on the 4th April 2002. CDRM stands for chronic
degenerative radiculomyelopathy, in the US it is more simply referred to as
degenerative myelopathy.

Very basically, it is an auto immune disease which affected the spinal
chord. Syptoms might not be so obvious at first but signs might be that you
hear the toenails scrape the surface of the ground as the dog walks. It is
very common in GSD's but is known to affect a few other breeds. The nearest
human equivelent is MS.

We were treating her for this and we just put her apparant awkwardness down
to impared nerve function. Our vet never said for one minute that her hips
were also bad ~ but that's a different issue and a good reason why our new
pup will be visiting a different practice.

Diana


 




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