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dog urinates on everything
is their an ignore setting on here for this IAM person,cause he is
annoying or should i say HOWnoyying. Anywho, let me clarify. the dog gets upset when she jumps on his Back leg,not when she goes near him.someone told me it is something with all rottweilers.Hip displacia or something He is a perfectly trained dog. and i mean i get compliments all the time and how well behaved he is. But what everyone failed to address was the urinating on everything. Anyone have any Suggestions. pooteo Feb 14, 6:19 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "pooteo" - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Feb 2005 18:19:34 -0800 Local: Mon, Feb 14 2005 6:19 pm Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Remove | Report Abuse hello group, i am looking for answers. maybe you can help. i have a new child a 16 month old.since the baby was brought into the home my dog has become jealous.we have tried to play with him more. give him more treats. take him out more. but now he has resorted to urinating on all her toys, it is when no one is around, usually at night.he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed. i would also like to mention that everytime she goes near my dog he growls.and now he has started to growl at my wife. anyone know what i can do?? Reply Leah Roberts Feb 14, 7:18 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: Leah Roberts - Find messages by this author Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 22:18:25 -0500 Local: Mon, Feb 14 2005 7:18 pm Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse On 14 Feb 2005 18:19:34 -0800, "pooteo" wrote: i am looking for answers. maybe you can help. i have a new child a 16 month old.since the baby was brought into the home my dog has become jealous.we have tried to play with him more. give him more treats. take him out more. but now he has resorted to urinating on all her toys, it is when no one is around, usually at night.he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed. i would also like to mention that everytime she goes near my dog he growls.and now he has started to growl at my wife. anyone know what i can do?? Yes - get a behaviorist to come into your home and work with you. This is far too serious a problem to deal with over the internet. The growl is a warning. If warnings aren't heeded, the behavior escalates. -- Leah Roberts, Family Dog Trainer It's A Dog's World http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html Get Healthy, Build Your Immune System, Lose Weight http://re-vita.net/dfrntdrums Reply Ludwig Smith Feb 14, 8:30 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: Ludwig Smith - Find messages by this author Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:30:29 -0500 Local: Mon, Feb 14 2005 8:30 pm Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse On 14 Feb 2005 18:19:34 -0800, "pooteo" wrote : hello group, i am looking for answers. maybe you can help. i have a new child a 16 month old.since the baby was brought into the home my dog has become jealous.we have tried to play with him more. give him more treats. take him out more. but now he has resorted to urinating on all her toys, it is when no one is around, usually at night.he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed. i would also like to mention that everytime she goes near my dog he growls.and now he has started to growl at my wife. anyone know what i can do?? I would second Leah on finding some professional help. Definitely be on the phone tomorrow. In the meantime, you might want to try to reduce situations which might cause a problem. It's not a solution, but it can help by helping to prevent situations fromescalating too far. If the dog has any toys, bones, treats and such laying around, pick them up. Pick up the child's toys out of reach of the dog. Pick up the food bowl after the dog finishes eating. Be aware of letting the child near area the dog considers 'his' - like an eating area or a sleeping area. Use baby gates to keep the dog and the child separated. And yes, it's advisable to get the dog neutered. Ludwig Smith Dog FAQS http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/ rec.pets.dogs.info Reply I Am Feb 14, 11:19 pm show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Feb 2005 23:19:03 -0800 Local: Mon, Feb 14 2005 11:19 pm Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse HOWEDY pooteo, pooteo wrote: hello group, You mean 'HOWEDY Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE ACUTE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES', pooteo. DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS. Perhaps you never read HOWER forums. i am looking for answers. You've come to the right place but you ain't followin the INSTRUCTIONS. You could get burned like that. The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ every thing you gotta know to pupperly handle and train ALL dogs and ALL children and ALL SP-HOWESES NEARLY INSTANTLY is in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual. Study the INSTRUCTIONS and do and follow ALL the EXXXERCISES. Here it is: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G34D2527A Just ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you need any additional FREE heelp. There's NO arbritrary INFORMATION in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual so study it well and do and follow ALL the EXXXERCISES AS INSTRUCTED... it's a PRECISE SCIENCE or it COULDN'T GET 100% CONSISTENT NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS for all handlers and all dogs in all fields or utilities and behaviors all over the Whole Wild World {) ; ~ ) maybe you can help. ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's And All Dogs, And All Fields Or Utilities ALL OVER The Whole Wild World NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual," The Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ ) i have a new child a 16 month old. You GET The Critter You TRAINED A DOG Is A Dog; As A KAT Is A KAT; As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY; As A CHILD IS A CHILD; As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES. ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways; To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment Which We Create For Them. Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. since the baby was brought into the home my dog has become jealous. "It is by muteness that a dog becomes so utterly beyond value." Like a confessor Priest? "With him, words play no torturing tricks.........., " --John Galsworthy. Don't bet your dog won't tell on you... Their behaviors reflect HOWER words, actions and training quirks. Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ ) we have tried to play with him more. This AIN'T abHOWET PLAYIN. give him more treats. Dogs are SCAVENGERS. They STEAL scraps of food and run to hide to eat them with their backs to the wall in a heightened state of alert. take him out more. That's irrelevent. This got to do with your EFFORTS to TRAIN your dog to be GENTLE with anyWON he meets. Trainin an aggression problem AIN'T NO DIFFERENT than trainin a GARBAGE CAN RAIDIN problem or C-HOWENTER SURFIN... or PERIMETER trainin or ANY behavior on accHOWENT of dog trainin AIN'T LUCK. "LUCK is for SUCKERS," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY {) ; ~ ) but now he has resorted to urinating on all her toys, He's UNHAPPY on accHOWENT of you scold and threaten him to BE NICE to the baby and not steal her STUFF. it is when no one is around, On accHOWENT of he KNOWS he'll be SCOLDED again for that. You cannot SCOLD a DUMB CRITTER or INNOCENT CHILD, pooteo. You'll LEARN THAT and you'll LEARN HOWE to train your dog child an SP-HOWES to be a PERFECT workin pack. But you can't DO THAT using NUTHIN the EXXXPERTS tell you on accHOWENT of THEIR METHODS DO NOT WORK. THEY MURDER DOGS LIKE YOU GOT, pooteo. usually at night. The IMBECILES will tell you to lock your dog in a box to CURE the DOMINANCE PISSIN or JERK and CHOKE IT on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar like leah and melanie was just learnin in the thread "Peeing Pomeranian". THEY HURT DOGS LIKE YOU GOT, pooteo. You got a dog who's like DYNAMITE if you push IT'S BUTTONS withHOWET KNOWIN HOWE. he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed. The MENTAL CASES surgically sexually mutilate dogs for these reasons. Surgical sexual mutilation makes dogs FEAR AGGRESSIVE and causes other heelth problems as yet not understood by the veterinary community who PROFITS from this inapupariate unnecessary cruel malpractice. i would also like to mention that everytime she goes near my dog he growls. THAT'S ON accHOWENT of YOU SCARE HIM when you THREATEN HIM when she approaches and he GRHOWELS on accHOWENT of HE'S AFRAID so YOU GRHOWEL LHOWEDER an HE BLAMES the KID and THEN your Mrs. don't SCARE HIM AS BAD so he BLOWS UP AT HER. **** ROLLS DHOWEN HILL, pooteo. and now he has started to growl at my wife. And NHOWE you gotta decide. You gonna be a dog abusing mental case or are you gonna STOP HURTING and INTIMDATING your dog and learn HOWE to MAKE HIM NATURALLY WANT to PROTECT your Mrs. and kid AS IT SHOULD BE? anyone know what i can do?? You can go **** in your hat for all The Amazing Puppy Wizard cares, pooteo. Your CASE HISTORY will SERVE The Amazing Puppy Wizard's HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORY quite well, NO MATTER HOWE YOUR DOG WORKS HOWET... The CHOICE is YOURS. You can follow the advice of the PROVEN LYING DOG ABUSING PUNKG THUG COWARDS and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES or you can rehabilitate YOURSELF NEARLY INSTANTLY and THEN you can teach your DOG to RESPECT the NEW YOU. The Amazing Puppy Wizard {) ; ~ ) "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." ~ Mohandas Gandhi -- Adapted with permission from his FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method manual. } ; ~ ) There are NO grey areas between RIGHT and WRONG. "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them, you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys." Chief Dan George "Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action as separate, not the wise. If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both. The level which is reached by wisdom is attained through right action as well. He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth." "Even the wise man acts in character with his nature, indeed all creatures act according to their natures. What is the use of compulsion then? The love and hate which are aroused by the objects of sense arise from Nature, do not yield to them. They only obstruct the path." -- Bhagavad Gita, adapted by Krishna with permission from His FREE copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual {) ; ~ ) Force training JERRYIZES dogs and GETS THEM DEAD All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer "Thank you for fighting the fine fight-- even tho it's a hopeless task, in this system of things. As long as man is ruling man, there will be animals (and humans!) abused and neglected. :-( Your student," Juanita. "If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow," John Wayne. ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES? ,-._,-, V)"(V (_o_) Have a great day! / V) (l l l) Your Puppy Wizard. {}YPW; ~ } oo-oo The Amazing Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ ) Reply I Am Feb 14, 11:38 pm show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 14 Feb 2005 23:38:28 -0800 Local: Mon, Feb 14 2005 11:38 pm Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse From: (Leah) Date: 04 Feb 2005 03:14:18 GMT Subject: Dog fight, dog bite, aaaiiiieeeeee ceb wrote: I did yell NO!!! or STOP!!! or something like that. It seemed to have no effect. I wonder if a loud, long blast would work. Stick your thumbs up their butts. No, I'm serious. I've never done it, but I hear it works a treat. Gross as it sounds, I'm going to try it if I ever need to. -- Family Dog Trainer "It's A Dog's Life" Family dog's life, eh leah? When the dog tries to jump up on someWON just shove your thumbs up ITS butt. But first, make SHORE you take a good look an asses the situation: From: -OFF (Leah) Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior Subject: I Saw A Baby Corgi Butt!!! Okay, so the owner thought I was nuts. :} A 9-week old corgi came into the store today. I said, "I've heard that there's nothing cuter on earth than a baby corgi butt, so I have to see," and kneeled down to look at the backside of the pup. Ohmygoodness!!! That *is* terminally cute!!! PetsMart Pet Trainer See My Furry Family At: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D LIKE THAT... BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAA!!! You're a LIAR A DOG ABUSER and a MENTAL CASE: Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial about being mentally ill. Has taken several other mentally ill medications before settling on effexor for her chronic mental problems. Recenly changed to another ANTI PSYCHOTIC prescription. "I don't think Jerry intentionally lies. I think he twists things around in his own mind until he actually believes what he's saying." Jerry is the only poster here who gives dangerous advice. Google for spike and squirt. And let's not forget the times he's told posters whose dogs have medical problems that his halfwits-end program could cure them. PetsMart Pet Trainer My Kids, My Students, My Life "It was kind of funny, in an absurd way. The rabbit was completely still, eyes open and glazed, dried blood in his ears and mouth, with his back legs stiffening quickly. It was her pet rabbit, not a wild bunny, so that made it much harder for her. And he was killed by bichons. Her dogs had torn it apart. My one student who had shown up (another weird thing about the night) and I had to continuously check for heart and bowel sounds for her, until she could accept that the rabbit was dead. (The rigor mortis in his back legs she attributed to "pain"). Full moon. Canine Action Dog Trainer http://www.canineaction.com Then she mentioned the names of her dogs, and I immediately remembered them. YOUR STUDENT, leah. Like that RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie who'd been in your SOCIALIZATION classes since IT was ten weeks old who RECENTLY MURDERED a little innocent DEAD DOG at the park. I will always remember the dogs. Yeah. You and ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN. It's A Dog's World On accHOWENT of it SHORE AIN'T the BUNNY'S world noMOORE. You want at PEEEEK at A DOG'S WORLD in your neck of the woods, leah?: "She bit me on the nose. That was a true bite. Not unprovoked, but still a bite. The snarling and barking was vicious - the bite was a quick snap, and the cuts weren't deep." "Once I was holding her bone for her while she chewed it (something she loves). She mistakenly put a tooth in my finger instead of the bone." "The other time was something I reported here because I thought it was funny. I was sitting on the floor with my supposedly agile, coordinated BC dancing around me, mouth hanging open with tongue flopping goofily. She tripped over my legs and fell tooth-first into my forehead." "Oh, okay. One more, I guess. When I had only had her a few days, and she hadn't yet learned not to nip during play, she jumped up and grabbed my t-shirt, pinching some skin. It hurt but, again, there was no blood." Subject: MAJOR Problem with Madigan: "And something happened yesterday that I'm not even ready to talk about. I'm too shocked, overwhelmed, discouraged, upset... and it's 100% my fault because, in retrospect, I see how I actually *trained* her to do it. Sigh. Oh, okay. I said it out loud (or rather, wrote it out loud :}, so I might as well go on... (just changed the subject line, too, because I fear this will turn into a rather volatile thread on its own)... She bit me. Not nipped me. Bit me. Drew blood. A lot of it. Left three holes in my nose. I have never been bitten by a dog before. Least of all my own puppy. In fact, I denied it at first. "She didn't bite me," I told my husband. "She was just clumsy and hit me in the nose with her teeth." "She bit you," he told me. "You have tooth marks." "I don't know what to do. I somehow took a gentle, non-violent dog and trained her to bite. Not only that, but to bite ME in the FACE! How do I address that now?" "I've had dogs all my adult life, and thought I knew a lot about them. It's only been since I got Madigan in January and began training classes, reading books, and hanging out *here* that I realized how LITTLE I knew about training them. I made so many mistakes, especially on my heart dog - my eskie - because he was the only dog I had who had behavior problems. He was yelled at, slapped, made to smell his messes (at least I didn't push his nose IN them) and isolated for long "time outs." I only wish I had it to do over again." I kept teasing her in a way that made her act out, then got right in her face. Whatever. It was JUST WON TIME. Stupid, stupid human. Naaah. THAT ain't what makes you HOWET to BE STUPID, leah. What makes you STUPID is to think you know anything abHOWET trainin dogs. Canine Action Dog Trainer http://www.canineaction.com You MURDERED your own DEAD DOG Buck on accHOWENT of you was TOO LAZY or TOO MENTALLY ILL to WALK him: My Life: Leah Effexor for chronic depression, in denial about being mentally ill. Has taken several other mentally ill medications before settling on effexor for her chronic mental problems. Here's you, arbitrarily MURDERIN your own DEAD DOG Buck on accHOWENT of you was TOO LAZY or TOO MENTALLY ILL to WALK him on those cold central FL nites, and followin THAT is your RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie who RECENTLY MURDERED a innocent little DEAD DOG in the park, thanks to your PAW PATROL and SOCIALIZATION and OBEDIENCE classes since he was ten weeks old: Really Bad Day Date: 2004-03-21 17:34:07 PST HOWEDY leah, "Leah" -OFF wrote in message ... The mom of a graduate student BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! You're no dog trainer, you're a FRAUD. interrupted my class, Class??? You don't have trainin classes you teach people to throw treats to dogs for mindless unthinking behaviors and tell folks to jerk and choke and shock dogs when bribing and avoiding behaviors doesn't work an then you try to get HOWET callin THAT, trainin. in a state of shock, AnyWON who'd trust you to train them to handle their dog was in a state of shock or takin anti psychotic meds before they started. to tell me that her rottie had killed a little dog at a dog park today. Tough break. R.I.P., dog. She wanted to know if she had to put him to sleep. That's typical of a dog abusing coward, ain't it. Mack is the quintessential dog-park dog. You mean he likes to PLAY. I've seen him play, with all sizes of dogs. Yeah. A dog is a dog. He's gentle, friendly, non-dominant, non-aggressive, and has been going to the park weekly since he was a puppy. And he's been jerked and choked and scolded and punished and bribed since you began messin with him. I was in too much of a state of shock myself You mean, you was NORMAL. to get details (like which park and what exactly happened), Yeah. That'll be REAL important for trHOWEbleshootin this behavior problem. Won't it, leah. but she said he chased him, And MOM couldn't call him off cause IT won't come when called nor will IT do anything else unless MOM is danglin a cookie in front of him. picked him up and shook him, Typical Rottie behavior, ain't it. then grabbed his brother. SHOWENDS like he was just HAVIN FUN, like when you jerk and choked him to train him. The other one survived. Got LUCKY, eh leah? Man. I tell my students in every class that dogs are not little people in fur suits. But that's just the begining. Then you teach them to HURT and INTIMIDATE their dogs when they can't BRIBE and AVOID their behavior problems. They are animals. They're able to HOWEtwit you and your ilk, leah. They have no morals, Perhaps that's just allelomimetic behavior? and don't know right from wrong AMAZING? Chalk THAT up to allelomimetic behavior, for SHORE. - only safe from not safe. RIGHT. That's HOWE COME dogs ATTACK, cause they're AFRAID of SUMPTHIN. But then prey drive You mean, when the dinner bell rings? Prey drive ain't got NUTHIN to do with FEAR. Dogs chase PREY to EAT, not have FUN. Dogs chase THINGS on accHOWENT of the visual oral reflex, not PREY drive. Unless they're chasin a bunny their PREY is in their food dish. rears its ugly head and really shoves the message home. The MESSAGE is, you've HURT the dog to force control over IT and THAT'S HOWE COME IT was AFRAID and ATTACKED, not on accHOWENT of some IDIOCY abHOWET PREY drive. Because I'd bet that's what happened. You're a MENTAL CASE a LIAR and a dog abuser. This little white fuzzy guy whizzed by Mack, and his prey drive kicked in. No. He was afraid he was gonna GET HURT for CHASIN IT, so he ATTACKED and MURDERED IT on accHOWENT of he knew he'd GET HURT for CHASIN IT. Plain and simple. Plain an simple indeed. Not a bad dog, Right. Dogs can't know from BAD behavior. Dogs only respond ... read more =BB Reply Janet B Feb 15, 4:39 am show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: Janet B - Find messages by this author Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 07:39:11 -0500 Local: Tues, Feb 15 2005 4:39 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse On 14 Feb 2005 18:19:34 -0800, "pooteo" wrote : but now he has resorted to urinating on all her toys, it is when no one is around, usually at night.he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed. i would also like to mention that everytime she goes near my dog he growls.and now he has started to growl at my wife. anyone know what i can do?? See a psychiatrist to ask why you are allowing this situation to continue? Neutering - because you sure don't need to be breeding that temperament. Placement with Rotti rescue, wh may or may not be able to place him. TRAINING - have you ever done any? Right now, your first job is to keep that baby safe. Do whatever is necessary to do so. -- Janet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com Reply Bettina Jordan Feb 15, 6:36 am show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Bettina Jordan" - Find messages by this author Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:36:38 GMT Local: Tues, Feb 15 2005 6:36 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Please place the dog with a rescue group. Your baby is in danger. It sounds like a very scary situation. I wouldn't care how much training the dog gets, I would still be afraid to have him share the same space as my baby. My ex had a Doberman who almost took my sons face off when he was a child. I have a Labrador who is wonderful with my grandson. He uses her as a pillow and rubs his little face in her fur. Bettina "pooteo" wrote in message oups.com... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - hello group, i am looking for answers. maybe you can help. i have a new child a 16 month old.since the baby was brought into the home my dog has become jealous.we have tried to play with him more. give him more treats. take him out more. but now he has resorted to urinating on all her toys, it is when no one is around, usually at night.he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed. i would also like to mention that everytime she goes near my dog he growls.and now he has started to growl at my wife. anyone know what i can do?? Reply I Am Feb 15, 8:02 am show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 15 Feb 2005 08:02:58 -0800 Local: Tues, Feb 15 2005 8:02 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse HOWEDY bettina, Your dog is DYING from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME on accHOWENT of you're a dog abusing MENTAL CASE: From: "Bettina" Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:01:43 GMT Subject: ECCESSIVE PANTING! I noticed she has also become very fearful in the last year. She trembles when she hears thunder and that started a year ago. She also seeks out cool places. The vet said there is nothing wrong and the panting is normal. Could I be watching too much? I am taking her in tomorrow for her shots and will bring it up again. He showed me the blood levels which mean nothing to me. T something or another and told me it is not cushings disease. Any thoughts on this? She has no other signs of cushings. She's my Baby. Bettina & Cheyenne Well today is the day..I dropped Cheyenne off at the vet's at 10AM. I brought her pillow and her stuffed baby so she wouldn't think she was being abandoned. I am so nervous. He will do her surgery at 12 noon so please pray for her. I just want her home. He said he will be able to tell me if it was just a calcified cyst but it has to go to the lab to be tested. I'm so scared. She looked at me with those big brown eyes and I thought I would die She trusts me, I felt so sorry for her. Please keep praying for her. From: "Bettina" Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:18:39 -0400 Subject: Cheyenne We took the trip to the cardiologist on Friday. He said her heart is structurally fine. The next step would be an event monitor. He doesn't think the event monitor will show anything even if we can catch it while it's happening. I think this may be a seizure type thing. I am so upset. He said I could go home and think about it. The thing is, I could get her all hooked up, go back every five days and nothing will happen so I'm trying to digest all of this. I was also told that after all of these tests we might not find an answer. I am so confused. I'm thinking and driving myself crazy. I have to decide if I want to do the MRI also. A bit of humor on Friday. They took her for 45 minutes to do the ultrasound. When they brought her out the young lady was laughing so hard. She told me Cheyenne was stealing everything. She stole a shoe and a cotton ball which she swallowed. She is the only dog I know that loves to go to the Vets office. She can't wait to get in. Wagging her tail and all happy. All of the others are trying to hide under the chairs. Thank You All, Bettina & Cheyenne From: "Bettina" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:34:27 GMT Subject: Dog licking carpet Hi There, I asked my vet about that. My Labrador Cheyenne does that often. Licks the carpet or the quilt or sofa. He said they do that because they're bored. She gets lots of attention and has a toy box full of toys but she still does it at times. He also said they sometimes lick a spot on a paw over and over and it can get so bad that it gets all raw. Bettina & Cheyenne From: "Bettina Jordan" Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 02:01:07 GMT Local: Fri, Aug 17 2001 7:01 pm Subject: Crate Training When I bought the second book the shop owner was hysterical when he found out Cheyenne ate the training book. She was very good about not having any accidents but she was always ripping things up and getting into big trouble. She especially loves money. I guess it's the scent or something. Bettina & Cheyenne From: "Bettina" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:55:20 -0400 Local: Tues, Jul 23 2002 8:55 am Subject: Cheyenne Fell Down Again... It happened again. There was no mistaking what happened this time. She got excited when she saw our next door neighbor, pulled to get to him and then her back legs went down. She was alert through the whole thing, I think it lasted about 10 seconds which felt like a lifetime to me. This has happened a few times before this. It doesn't always happen when she is excited but each time it did she was excited. I hope I'm making sense. I have a hard time putting my thoughts into words. It has never happened in the house. It looked like her back legs were useless. She tried to get up and rolled from side to side on her flanks. She then got up and was fine. I called the vet and he really didn't have much to say except he was stumped and she was a healthy dog. I have been researching all over the internet looking for clues. I found something called degenerative myelopathy. It sounds like what happens to my Cheyenne except they say it's a disease in GSD and now they are finding it in Akitas and Corgis. I haven't stopped crying since Thursday. I want to take her for an MRI of her brain and spine. My friend told me they won't see it with a cat scan but they do have a better chance of seeing it with an MRI. I hate to put her through all of these tests. I'm afraid to have her sedated. I'm afraid of everything right now. My husband was yelling at me because of the cost and told me I'm being crazy. I should leave her alone and stop looking for things. I want you to know that he witnessed the whole thing. Does anyone know of this disease? How costly are these tests and do I have to leave her overnight. I can't stand the thought of leaving her all alone. She's such a baby. I never leave her alone for more than 2 hours at a time. I had to go to a party last week and called a sitter to stay with her. Walking her has become a nightmare for me. I am terrified it will happen again. I try to avoid meeting people on the street. I don't want her to get excited. This is awful. You all know how Labs are. They love people and I am trying to keep her away from them. Please someone give me some answers. I love her to pieces and can't stand this. Thank You, Bettina & Cheyenne From: "Bettina" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:04:46 -0400 Subject: Cheyenne Fell Down Again... I forgot to mention that she is 7 years old. She has hypothyroidism and is on daily medication. She had a few seizures as a puppy. We traced that to the flea and tick pills she was taking. Also when this last episode happened which was the worst, she had eaten a 500 milligram Tylenol 20 minutes before it happened. I called the emergency vet and they told me not to worry. I am very careful but it had fallen out of my pocket and she got to it before I could. Thanks Again... Bettina From: "Bettina" Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 04:30:22 GMT Subject: Heavy breathing or panting? A worry? Hi, My girl is 6 1/2 years and started that when she was 5. She has been to her vet many times. She was overweight and he thought she needed to have her thyroid checked. It turned out she has hypothyroidism and will be on medication for the rest of her life. She still does the panting thing and it scares me to death. He keeps telling me she is fine but I do still don't think the two things were related. She has lost 15 pounds since taking the medication. I hope someone has an answer. Bettina & Cheyenne Subject: Barking Barking Barking Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:46:47 GMT HOWEDY bettina, "Bettina Jordan" wrote in message ... Hello Everyone, Well it's been two years now that I've been watching my grandson each day. Cheyenne my 9 year old Lab loves the baby and the baby adores Cheyenne. The big problem is still the barking. BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!! You should get rid of the dog and send that innocent child to strangers to care for, where he'll be safe from lying dog abusing mental cases. I tried the squirt bottle which only made her bark more. Duh-Oh? She was getting worse and worse. Naaah? I then tried pennies in an empty soda can. That so? You been hearin abHOWET doin THAT from The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World? That doesn't work for dog abusers, so sorry, bettina. It worked like magic. INDEEDY. Always does. But NOT for dog abusers. She stopped. Of curse! But not for long. Whenever I grabbed the can I didn't even have to shake it anymore and she would shut right up. RIGHT! THAT'S THE PROBLEM, dog abuser. The dog FEARS you on accHOWENT of you're using the penny can as an aversive, like HOWE all the dog abusing EXXXPERTS tell you HOWE to do it. Well guess what...... Naaah. The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't GUESS NUTHIN abHOWET behaviorISM. That worked like magic for about a month. THAT'S a SURPRISE! It shouldn't work MOORE than a couple instances. THAT SEZ your dog is EXXXTREMELY intimidated by you, on accHOWENT of it seldom works MOORE than a couple tries... You must be quite a piece of work, eh bettina? So now what? GET RID of your dog and stay away from innocent defenseless critters, especially humans. It doesn't do anything anymore "IT DOESN'T DO ANY THING anyMOORE" on accHOWENT of you're INTENT is to INTIMIDATE and REPRESS the dog, NOT TRAIN HIM, dog abuser. so a got a huge can and tried that. BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! You're a pathetic dog abusing mental case. Doesn't even faze her. OF CURSE NOT. Other than, of curse, than to MAKE YOUR DOG FEAR and HATE YOU MOORE. So please tell me what's going on? You don't have the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit the cunning of the domestic puppy dog even after The Amazing Puppy Wizard and HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World told you HOWE they done it EZ GENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to boot. I'm losing my mind here. Naaaah. Was never there to begin with. You're lying. Thank You, You're welcome. Bettina & Cheyenne BWEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! HOWEDY People, Can AnyWON ... read more =BB Reply I Am Feb 15, 9:03 am show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 15 Feb 2005 09:03:08 -0800 Local: Tues, Feb 15 2005 9:03 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse HOWEDY janet, Janet B wrote: On 14 Feb 2005 18:19:34 -0800, "pooteo" wrote: but now he has resorted to urinating on all her toys, it is when no one is around, usually at night.he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed. i would also like to mention that everytime she goes near my dog he growls.and now he has started to growl at my wife. anyone know what i can do?? ALL temperament and behavior problems are CAUSED BY ABUSE, not BAD DOGS. See a psychiatrist to ask why you are allowing this situation to continue? YOU MURDER DOGS LIKE THIS, janet, on accHOWENT of you're a lying dog abusing MENTAL CASE a COWARD and a FRAUD. Neutering - Surgical sexual mutilation makes dogs FEAR AGGRESSIVE and makes them physically ill. because you sure don't need to be breeding that temperament. Surgical sexual mutilation got NUTHIN to do with BREEDING janet. The body wasn't built to live withHOWET the hormones you surgically remove so your dogs will be perpetually FEARFUL and SUBMISSIVE of you and your violence, janet. Placement with Rotti rescue, They'll MURDER THIS DOG just as you would. Your own RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT nessa's dogs TURNED ON HER thnanks to you teachin her to choke and lock her dogs in the crapper. Three years you tormented nessa and her dogs till they TURNED ON HER and then you was fixin to MURDER them for her and got MAD at paulette for offering to HOWES two dogs with HANDLER AGGRESSION as their CASE HISTORIES, thanks to your trainin. who may or may not be able to place him. You KNOW they'll MURDER a dog with a HISTORY of child and handler aggression, janet. TRAINING - have you ever done any? INDEEDY! THAT'S HOWE COME HIS DOG IS FEAR AGGRESSIVE of his small child JUST LIKE HOWE your punk thug coward mental case pal tara o. aka tee MURDERED HER OWN DEAD DOG Summer for this SAME SAME SAME SAME REASON. Right now, your first job is to keep that baby safe. You mean PUNISH the dog every time IT gets SCARED of GETTIN PUNISHED for lookin at the baby, janet? THAT'S HOWE COME THE DOGS IS FEAR AGGRESSIVE of small children. Do whatever is necessary to do so. HE HAS DONE WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO DO janet, THAT'S HOWE COME HIS DOG IS TURNING ON HIS Mrs... on accHOWENT of SHE CAN'T DO WHATEVER SHE NEEDS to DO to be as ABUSIVE as pooteo has been thanks to followin the ADVICE of dog abusing mental cases like yourself, janet: Janet B www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com "J1Boss" wrote in message ... He was next to me and I could see his neck muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye. Janet Boss "sionnach" wrote in message ... "J1Boss" wrote in message ... I can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab. An INSENSITIVE DOG??? I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D after issuing a command that she did not listen to. Your dog AIN'T gonna LISTEN to you if you're using AVERSIVES impupperly, scotty opamp. If you're gonna HURT and INTIMDIATE your dog you GOTTA DO IT RIGHT or you're being CRUEL, scotty opamp. From: sionnach ) Subject: Correct use of prong collar Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And Sally responded: Who said that? I would never do or recommend that, and neither would most of the regulars on here. Sally Hennessey I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies across the room! here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy): A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ very persistant. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"? I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight shake to the *skin*". Janet's not talking about actually shaking the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is abusive." "Marshall Dermer" wrote in message ... Di, I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of training. If you are interested in training retrieval behavior than do consider our own Amy Dahl's: The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well- Mannered, Obedient and Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:" "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl. just $17.95 at Amazon.com. (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.) --Marshall amy lying frosty dahl continues: "On the other extreme, the really ard dogs we have trained require much more frequent and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done, This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When the dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch, you are finished If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!" (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl. "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold. terri willis, Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist: "None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate, frighten, or any of the crap he constantly attributes to me," lying frosty dahl. BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!! "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl, discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors. Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS? "John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the rump with a training stick while holding him partially off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back to the line and cast him back to the dummies." The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE. We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL... Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like a raped ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel of your palm. "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web. The time following this displinary measure, You mean PUNISHMENT. You cannot PUNISH a DUMB ANIMAL and EXXXPECT IT to naturally want to do ANY THING YOU ASK, scotty opamp. UNLESS YOU CAN HURT IT EVERY TIME YOU GOTTA HURT YOUR DOG TO MAKE IT WANT TO DO AS YOU ASK. Ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE. That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's this, here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer: From: Marshall Dermer ) "At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases then you will have achieved too things. First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased; and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher. How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted biting. **********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************ When our dog was a puppy, "No" came ..=2E. read more =BB Reply Rocky Feb 15, 10:15 am show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: Rocky - Find messages by this author Date: 15 Feb 2005 18:15:10 GMT Local: Tues, Feb 15 2005 10:15 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Bettina Jordan said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: My ex had a Doberman who almost took my sons face off when he was a child. I have a Labrador who is wonderful with my grandson. He uses her as a pillow and rubs his little face in her fur. What's your conclusion from this? Is it bad vs. good training or bad vs. good breed/dog? -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. Reply Bettina Jordan Feb 15, 10:13 am show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health From: "Bettina Jordan" - Find messages by this author Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:13:33 GMT Local: Tues, Feb 15 2005 10:13 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse You have no life. Poor thing. "I Am" wrote in message oups.com... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - HOWEDY bettina, Your dog is DYING from STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME on accHOWENT of you're a dog abusing MENTAL CASE: From: "Bettina" Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:01:43 GMT Subject: ECCESSIVE PANTING! I noticed she has also become very fearful in the last year. She trembles when she hears thunder and that started a year ago. She also seeks out cool places. The vet said there is nothing wrong and the panting is normal. Could I be watching too much? I am taking her in tomorrow for her shots and will bring it up again. He showed me the blood levels which mean nothing to me. T something or another and told me it is not cushings disease. Any thoughts on this? She has no other signs of cushings. She's my Baby. Bettina & Cheyenne Well today is the day..I dropped Cheyenne off at the vet's at 10AM. I brought her pillow and her stuffed baby so she wouldn't think she was being abandoned. I am so nervous. He will do her surgery at 12 noon so please pray for her. I just want her home. He said he will be able to tell me if it was just a calcified cyst but it has to go to the lab to be tested. I'm so scared. She looked at me with those big brown eyes and I thought I would die She trusts me, I felt so sorry for her. Please keep praying for her. From: "Bettina" Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:18:39 -0400 Subject: Cheyenne We took the trip to the cardiologist on Friday. He said her heart is structurally fine. The next step would be an event monitor. He doesn't think the event monitor will show anything even if we can catch it while it's happening. I think this may be a seizure type thing. I am so upset. He said I could go home and think about it. The thing is, I could get her all hooked up, go back every five days and nothing will happen so I'm trying to digest all of this. I was also told that after all of these tests we might not find an answer. I am so confused. I'm thinking and driving myself crazy. I have to decide if I want to do the MRI also. A bit of humor on Friday. They took her for 45 minutes to do the ultrasound. When they brought her out the young lady was laughing so hard. She told me Cheyenne was stealing everything. She stole a shoe and a cotton ball which she swallowed. She is the only dog I know that loves to go to the Vets office. She can't wait to get in. Wagging her tail and all happy. All of the others are trying to hide under the chairs. Thank You All, Bettina & Cheyenne From: "Bettina" Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:34:27 GMT Subject: Dog licking carpet Hi There, I asked my vet about that. My Labrador Cheyenne does that often. Licks the carpet or the quilt or sofa. He said they do that because they're bored. She gets lots of attention and has a toy box full of toys but she still does it at times. He also said they sometimes lick a spot on a paw over and over and it can get so bad that it gets all raw. Bettina & Cheyenne From: "Bettina Jordan" Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 02:01:07 GMT Local: Fri, Aug 17 2001 7:01 pm Subject: Crate Training When I bought the second book the shop owner was hysterical when he found out Cheyenne ate the training book. She was very good about not having any accidents but she was always ripping things up and getting into big trouble. She especially loves money. I guess it's the scent or something. Bettina & Cheyenne From: "Bettina" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:55:20 -0400 Local: Tues, Jul 23 2002 8:55 am Subject: Cheyenne Fell Down Again... It happened again. There was no mistaking what happened this time. She got excited when she saw our next door neighbor, pulled to get to him and then her back legs went down. She was alert through the whole thing, I think it lasted about 10 seconds which felt like a lifetime to me. This has happened a few times before this. It doesn't always happen when she is excited but each time it did she was excited. I hope I'm making sense. I have a hard time putting my thoughts into words. It has never happened in the house. It looked like her back legs were useless. She tried to get up and rolled from side to side on her flanks. She then got up and was fine. I called the vet and he really didn't have much to say except he was stumped and she was a healthy dog. I have been researching all over the internet looking for clues. I found something called degenerative myelopathy. It sounds like what happens to my Cheyenne except they say it's a disease in GSD and now they are finding it in Akitas and Corgis. I haven't stopped crying since Thursday. I want to take her for an MRI of her brain and spine. My friend told me they won't see it with a cat scan but they do have a better chance of seeing it with an MRI. I hate to put her through all of these tests. I'm afraid to have her sedated. I'm afraid of everything right now. My husband was yelling at me because of the cost and told me I'm being crazy. I should leave her alone and stop looking for things. I want you to know that he witnessed the whole thing. Does anyone know of this disease? How costly are these tests and do I have to leave her overnight. I can't stand the thought of leaving her all alone. She's such a baby. I never leave her alone for more than 2 hours at a time. I had to go to a party last week and called a sitter to stay with her. Walking her has become a nightmare for me. I am terrified it will happen again. I try to avoid meeting people on the street. I don't want her to get excited. This is awful. You all know how Labs are. They love people and I am trying to keep her away from them. Please someone give me some answers. I love her to pieces and can't stand this. Thank You, Bettina & Cheyenne From: "Bettina" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 12:04:46 -0400 Subject: Cheyenne Fell Down Again... I forgot to mention that she is 7 years old. She has hypothyroidism and is on daily medication. She had a few seizures as a puppy. We traced that to the flea and tick pills she was taking. Also when this last episode happened which was the worst, she had eaten a 500 milligram Tylenol 20 minutes before it happened. I called the emergency vet and they told me not to worry. I am very careful but it had fallen out of my pocket and she got to it before I could. Thanks Again... Bettina From: "Bettina" Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 04:30:22 GMT Subject: Heavy breathing or panting? A worry? Hi, My girl is 6 1/2 years and started that when she was 5. She has been to her vet many times. She was overweight and he thought she needed to have her thyroid checked. It turned out she has hypothyroidism and will be on medication for the rest of her life. She still does the panting thing and it scares me to death. He keeps telling me she is fine but I do still don't think the two things were related. She has lost 15 pounds since taking the medication. I hope someone has an answer. Bettina & Cheyenne Subject: Barking Barking Barking Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:46:47 GMT HOWEDY bettina, "Bettina Jordan" wrote in message ... Hello Everyone, Well it's been two years now that I've been watching my grandson each day. Cheyenne my 9 year old Lab loves the baby and the baby adores Cheyenne. The big problem is still the barking. BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!! You should get rid of the dog and send that innocent child to strangers to care for, where he'll be safe from lying dog abusing mental cases. I tried the squirt bottle which only made her bark more. Duh-Oh? She was getting worse and worse. Naaah? I then tried pennies in an empty soda can. That so? You been hearin abHOWET doin THAT from The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students all over the Whole Wild World? That doesn't work for dog abusers, so sorry, bettina. It worked like magic. INDEEDY. Always does. But NOT for dog abusers. She stopped. Of curse! But not for long. Whenever I grabbed the can I didn't even have to shake it anymore and she would shut right up. RIGHT! THAT'S THE PROBLEM, dog abuser. The dog FEARS you on accHOWENT of you're using the penny can as an aversive, like HOWE all the dog abusing EXXXPERTS tell you HOWE to do it. Well guess what...... Naaah. The Amazing Puppy Wizard doesn't GUESS NUTHIN abHOWET behaviorISM. That worked like magic for about a month. THAT'S a SURPRISE! It shouldn't work MOORE than a couple instances. THAT SEZ your dog is EXXXTREMELY intimidated by you, on accHOWENT of it seldom works MOORE than a couple tries... You must be quite a piece of work, eh bettina? So now what? GET RID of your dog and stay away from innocent defenseless critters, especially humans. It doesn't do anything anymore "IT DOESN'T DO ANY THING anyMOORE" on accHOWENT of you're INTENT is to INTIMIDATE and REPRESS the dog, NOT TRAIN HIM, dog abuser. so a got a huge can and tried that. BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! You're a pathetic dog abusing mental case. Doesn't even faze her. OF CURSE NOT. Other than, of ..=2E. read more =BB Reply I Am Feb 15, 10:23 am show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 15 Feb 2005 10:23:18 -0800 Local: Tues, Feb 15 2005 10:23 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse HOWEDY lugnut, Ludwig Smith wrote: On 14 Feb 2005 18:19:34 -0800, "pooteo" wrote: hello group, i am looking for answers. maybe you can help. BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! HOWE can you tolerate this kinda EMBARRASSMENT and ABUSE from The Amazing Puppy Wizard every time you post here abHOWETS, lugnut? You've NEVER had NO ADVICE other than to HURT INTIMDIATE GET RID OF or MURDER DOGS to train them, lugnut. i have a new child a 16 month old.since the baby was brought into the home my dog has become jealous. We KNOW that's on accHOWENT of the dysfunctional PARENT abusing and intimidating the dog to keep the baby SAFE. THAT'S HOWE COME your pal steve walker MURDERED his own DEAD DOG Sampson, thanks to your advice. we have tried to play with him more. That's IRRELEVENT ain't it, lugnut. give him more treats. take him out more. but now he has resorted to urinating on all her toys, JUST LIKE HOWE janet boss's kat pisses on her dog's bed when she PUNISHES THEM despite that IT SLEEPS with the dogs. it is when no one is around, So his ABUSER won't CATCH HIM, isn't THAT correct, lugnut? Isn't the CURE for this to NOT ABUSE NO WON in the HOWES? usually at night. When IT won't GET CAUGHT and PUNISHED. he is a rottweiler, about 2 1/2 yrs old and not fixed. Of curse the MENTAL CASES here abHOWETS think that surgically mutilating the dog will make IT NOT FEAR the child whom IT GETS PUNISHED FOR paying ATTENTION to... i would also like to mention that everytime she goes near my dog he growls. The dog is just COPYING his ABUSER. AIN'T HE, lugnut. It's CALLED allelomimetic behaivor ain't it, lugnut. You never heard of THAT pryor or you'd NEVER HURT and INTIDMIATE a dog to "train IT". Would you, lugnut. and now he has started to growl at my wife. AS HE'S BEEN TAUGHT. anyone know what i can do?? The OP is gonna have to STOP HURTIN and INTIMDIATING his dog, ain't that CORRECT, lugnut. I would second Leah Yeah. But leah is a lying dog abusing punk thug coward and active acute long term incurable MENTAL CASE, like yourself. REMEMBER lugnut?: Leah's Pinch Collar Class HOWEDY Charlie, "Charlie Wilkes" wrote in message Disappointed in you , Leah . You don't expect a leopard to change his spots, do you Charlie? Some of your training posts I copied to pass on SEE? That's on accHOWEnt of you smoke too much of that BC bud... must be pretty good STUFF, but should only be used in an institution under prescription of a licenced psychyotherapist, IMNTBHO. but this saddens me. LikeWIZE, Charle. Both for the dogs leah is abusing and for yourself who's evidently succumbed to the evils of the killer weed. "* I think it was out of surprise, not pain. *" leah is a pathological liar like lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, Charlie. If there is *any* doubt of a tool causing pain why are you using it? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT DOG ABUSERS DO, Charlie. Look in The Puppy Wizard's Archives. You'll SEE these lying dog abusers ALL have a VERY LONG HISTORY of HURTIN and KILLING DOGS and LYING abHOWET it to defend their alleged RIGHT to HURT and KILL dogs to suite their fragile defective ego's and compensate for their weak minds and inferiority complexes. Christ. This is way overblown. You've SEEN there's NO appupriate way HOWE to HURT dogs to train them. A twinge of pain that lasts a split second is What makes dogs VICIHOWES and GETS PEOPLE and DOGS DEAD. Ask Diane Whipple. INAPPUPRIATE HANDLING and TRAINING is what KILLED HER, not viciHOWES dogs. The Puppy Wizard intends to PROVE THAT IN COURT and get LAWS WITH TEETH PASSED PROTECTING dogs and children from HOWER DOG LOVERS and PARENTS PREFERENCES for TOOLS and METHODS which makes CRIMINALS and WAR. not the same as beating the damn dog. IRRELEVANT, Charlie. The Puppy Wizard HIGHLY recommends you detox from that killer weed so you'll be able to work with whatever is left of your blHOWEn away crippled mind. Let's think critically for half a second, okay? Put down that BC weed for a week and THEN we can discuss it. My experience is that minor, transient pain from touching a sharp object that doesn't penetrate my skin, is an instructive rather than traumatizing experience. You're an adult human being and UNDERSTAND the risks and consequences of dealing with dangerHOWES substances. I have observed that my dog seems to have about the same reaction, even though such stimuli, in her case, have resulted from encounters of her own choosing. Right. The dog learns to FEAR porcupines, hot stuff, and bees. I say "ouch!" when I poke my wrist with a sharp piece of sheet metal You ain't main line runnin that BC weed. are you, Charlie? HOWE do you cook it down in them little spoons? while working on something. Perhaps you wouldn't be inclined to DO THAT if you had your Wits' abHOWET you? A dog yelps when someone yanks on a prong collar. INDEED. That INHIBITS LEARNING, Charlie, as the dog ONLY focuses on the PAIN, not the so called LESSON. I re-position my hand to avoid the jagged point of metal; As the dog attempts to ESCAPE. the dog adjusts its behavior to avoid further tugs on the collar. NO. The dog FEARS his abuser and tries to ESCAPE. That's HOWE COME HOWER DOG LOVERS cannot TRUST their dogs OFF LEAD. People and dogs are to some extent designed to make these adjustments without a lot of thought, INDEED. They REFLEX and DEFEND themselves or RUN HOWET on their abuser. and without a lot of trauma The amHOWENT of PAIN is IRRELEVANT. The FEAR is permenantely inscribed on the dog's REFLEXIVE MEMORY and will be restimulated any time the associated COMMAND IS GIVEN. That's HOWE COME HOWER DOG LOVER'S DOGS BREAK THEIR COMMANDS. That's HOWE COME lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn's SAR dog JIVE WILL NOT SAR a REAL LIFE SAR JOB, cause HE KNOWS SHE CANNOT HURT HIM IF SHE DOES NOT KNOW WHERE THE FIND IS. Conversely, HE KNOWS SHE CAN AND WILL HURT HIM IN THE TRIAL RING, so consequently, HE GETS HIGH SCORES IN THE RING ONLY. It's the REVERSE a well know condition called RING WISE. provided the pain is not intense or lasting or associated with physical injury. IRRELEVANT. PAIN PRODUCES FEAR. FEAR CAUSES FLIGHT OR FIGHT. Any time the dog is given a command taught with PAIN or FEAR, the dog MAY REFLEX to F/F mode, and ATTACK his abuser or anybody nearby. leah HAS BEEN BITTEN 5 TIMES by her dog Madigan cause SHE ABUSES HER. That's how we learn to get around in a hazardous world, right? If you wanna come HOWET lookin beat to rat **** like you and ME Charlie, that'll work... The Puppy Wizard wouldn't wanna put nobody but HOWER LYING DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARDS thru the PAIN HE'S endured. Leah says she's experimenting We EXPERIMENT with drugs and masturbation, not HURTIN DOGS. UNLESS of curse, you're a descartean scientist, like professor SCRUFF SHAKE. Take a look at his most recent thread with his little dog Maxie The Magnificent OBSESSIVELY COMPULSIVE Masturbator's digestive disorders... THAT'S sumpthin The Puppy Wizard has been teachin abHOWET here for 5 years NHOWE, Charlie. IT'S A PREDICTABLE REFLEXIVE VISCERAL RESPONSE to FEAR of PUNISHMENT and anxiety related to withholding bribes. and is not committed to this approach. leah is and always has been a pathological liar and dog abuser and is committed to HURTING HER DOGS when she can't force or intimidate them to do as she wants. She MURDERED her dog Buck cause she didn't want to brave the cold Central Florida nights to walk him on accHOWENT of she wouldn't stop treating his congestive heart failure with PIZZA and FRENCH FRIES for which he needed LASIX. FIGGER IT HOWET GODDAMNEIT What we're talkin abHOWET is CRIMINAL INSANITY. "What's wrong with that?" NUTHIN. That's HOWE COME we got INSANE ASYLUMS. "I don't think MacKenzie is going to suffer any trauma." Not til she gets the OPPORTUNITY TO ESCAPE and gets shot by a dog lover like diddler or lying lois e... like peejoe's DEAD DOG or POISONED like perry's DEAD DOG Maggie. "One reason dogs make such wonderful friends is because they live in the moment and they don't nurse grudges unreasonably. " The Puppy Wizard sez you got to lay off the BC KILLER WEED for a week or so to straighten HOWET your thinkin. Charlie on finding some professional help. " Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of ..=2E. read more =BB Reply Bettina Jordan Feb 15, 10:56 am show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "Bettina Jordan" - Find messages by this author Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:56:37 GMT Local: Tues, Feb 15 2005 10:56 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse I think with this particular dog it was bad vs. good training. "Rocky" wrote in message ... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Bettina Jordan said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: My ex had a Doberman who almost took my sons face off when he was a child. I have a Labrador who is wonderful with my grandson. He uses her as a pillow and rubs his little face in her fur. What's your conclusion from this? Is it bad vs. good training or bad vs. good breed/dog? -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. Reply I Am Feb 15, 11:05 am show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 15 Feb 2005 11:05:49 -0800 Local: Tues, Feb 15 2005 11:05 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse HOWEDY poote, DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS, and YOU KNOW IT: Subject: Discipline Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:43:46 -0500 From: Amanda To: On Wednesday 15 January 2003 01:54, "N wrote: i responded in katie's mail.. youll get it before this one i'm not the expert.. mr. howe is teaching me.. and im figuring alot out.. plus its just coming to me.. two months ago i would cry cuz i was soooo lost... and now i go ahead and live it... like he gave me just enough for my brain to fill in the rest? when i would swat in my early parent years.. up until i got crunchy this last year.. i swore spanking was great.. a lil bit of fear in yo' momma is what i would say.. and my family supported me.. you can spank and not be abusive. then i felt guilty... not because i knew better, but becuase you guys and others did it wihtout spanking.. better than me... but i would still say i just have bad kids.. then i started feeling guilty.. asked for help.. got some advice and it worked some.. but not much.. enought to make me think i did it.. then it wouldn't help.. then i heard him tell someone on the news group "Do you think hitting babies is intelligent" and i was like whoa.. now i feel like cocka and pray every time i distract them that they can somehow grow up not to hate me.. and i pray i caugh myself in enough time. On Friday 27 December 2002 14:52, Amanda wrote: Ugh.. I feel so stupid. Now I see all of my mistakes. And I feel so retarded. I can write a writ of mandamus and and somehow understand property law.. but this is... well.. confusing. I read the manual.. I have a photographic memory and for the life of me cannot figure out why I still am mishandling my dog when I have the frigging manual! Although, lemme tell you.. your emails are much more ... easier to understand? Anywho.. Kelly shared water with moo today and let him eat.. she hates her food and likes his.. so i serve one bowl.. tonight she barked at our neighbors dog while he ate.. and then she ate. She growled at the lil girl she nipped.. Ayla.. the handicapped one. I had Sara (her mum) hold her on the floor with moo (kelly was nursing, ayla came close and kelly growled) while chris had kelly on a lead (no slack, but for safety reasons.. cuz if kelly nipped and someone found out she could be labeled aggressive).. and kelly did beautifully. She sat, downed and stayed.. and lemme tell ya.. first time this dog ever stayed.. and when i got sick of the barking i stuck my head out the door and yelled good girl.. and she came right in.... tomorrow we are going to petsmart to really work the praise with strangers and other dogs (screw the idiot who says i shouldn't use a retractable lead.. i know my dog).. and we'll do the fplx somewhere on our way there.. perhaps an empty lot... Are all of the people you help in this much need of hand holding? Cuz I still feel like a dolt despite my dog learning this stuff in miliseconds and succeeding far better than i.. despite the peepee on my floor last night. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -----Original Message----- From: Amanda [mailto: ] Sent: Tuesday, January 14,2003 Subject: Discipline On Tuesday 14 January 2003 20:47, T__ wrote: funny you bring this up... i met the most wonderful couple.. man and wife.. he's a dog trainer.. all his life who uses a technique that is ONLY praise and distraction with some family pack exercises. They spent the day with us sunday helping me on my two pits... one is a protective/aggressive 20 month old female who is my bubby and our 7 week male pup. anyway.. not only did i nip any and all aggression issues in mere minutes... he and his wife helped me with my kids. I was and always have been a spanker. It is all i knew how.. i never, ever wanted to be.. but i was. my house/kids were out of control.. i was always stressed. Since he and his wife came down sunday we've had a HUGE change... for the first time the kids didn't destroy my house before i woke up... my 3yo was in my bed coloring waiting for us to wake up... this is the first time she ever used paper she usually does walls, furniture. Anyway.. he told me to use sound/praise.. and it works. I have a 6 yo, 3.5 yo who is psycho child and a very bad-a$$ 19 month old. They are all smarter than I am and know it There has not been a temper tantrum in two days in my house. You guys have no idea how great this is. But best of all.. this method does NOT use the evil eye or a tone of that is in any way short of absolute praise.. no shouting.. not even a quiet Chloe!.. nada.. ONLY praise. They even taught my kids not to take candy unless i say so.. (my oldest will literally let you pierce her ears for candy.. it's been done twice and i keep taking em out) and now the bag of blow pops i forget on the floor in my closet (where we keep the girl's dressed) is still there and NO ONE has eaten one! My 3 yo is even helping me pick up the house.. the baby took my lingerie chest apart.. and she cleaned it up! first time! They don't even go out the open door without my offering it! they helped me sort laundry.. clean the living room... im amazed. The 3 yo got some yogurt from the fridge andwalked to our kitchen table, sat down and ate it.. she REFUSES to sit at the table and eat! We also taught them and the dogs to sit pretty so when they're climbing on my couch.. i go Can you show me how you sit pretty?? and they ALL hop down and show me to sit pretty with their feet NOT on the cofee table.. hands friggin folded.. i almost fell over.. thanks for reminding me to share my joy! I'm not a spanker! I don't even yell! lol! here i picked names that shout well and i don't need em!!! Subject: Possessiveness- toys/food w/ children Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:04:57 GMT Subject: Re Discipline. Also, SLEEP! Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:38:46 -0500 From: Amanda Can you go into this a little more? How did they accomplish all this in one day? My learning is progressive. I email or call him with questions. But, i'm getting most of it myself. Something clicked. How would we do it with our families? that is kind of broad.. ask me specifics... or i'd still be typing when your kids are in college I really have problems controlling my temper when I am already stressed out and then C__ is hurting me: Me too.. i was abused... my mom was psycho... and i had problems with anger.. i took it personally when my 6 yr old wouldn't clean her room... i would sometimes cry is was so strung out.. i didn't wanna spank but i didn't know what to do instead.. so i spanked.. and then spanking didn't work.. and then my dogs went nuts and i called this trainer and he showed me how to do it. pulling my hair, scratching me, slapping me, etc. Mine hit me on purpose alot.. scratching.. climbing on me.. hurting me and then laughing. Now as I post.. please don't think im trying to be a know it all.. i simply wanna relay what i have learned... as it is i've only been spank free for a week now and yell free for two days (my neighbors two streets over are happy Children, dogs, people.. they do thinks wrong because it elicits your ultimate attention. Does your 3 year old enjoy fingerpainting on walls? no... do they enjoy fighting the minute you pick up the phone?? No. They *know* they can command your attention.. and that's what they want. same reason your dogs fight.. they think it is controlling you. Your kids want you watching their every move.. making sure they eat.. dont talk to strangers.. because it means you are watching THEM and not them watching you as it should be. they should stay within x feet of you.. because they like mom and she's cool and she keeps em safe... they shouldn't run and expect you to chase them.. because you won't always be there to chase them... that's how kids die or get lost. When they learn to follow you.. it's all good. Now, take my 19 mo old. She had this habit of sipping 4 oz from her bottle and demanding more. if i didn't refill it.. she threw a hgue fit. Now she hands me her bottle and says more.. and i tickle her... then i pick up her bottle and pretend im drinking it.. i offer her a drink and snatch it back saying MY Baba!! She wants that bottle.. so she takes it and drinks it.. even tho i didn't refill it. we had a huge problem with them taking things they cant have and when i wanted it they ran... now i give the baby (19mo) my finger.. and she grabs it.. and i wiggle and shout My finger! that's mine! Gimme it back.. playfully.. and she resists.. and i go "Ooh.. can i have it please?" and she gives it to me and i gleefully say Thank you! and she says you're welcome.. and i give her the finger back... then i hand her say a lighter... and we wrestle for a minute.. and i say... can i have that??? and she gives it over etc. Of course sometimes she'll have a cool! book! and ill ask can i have that.. and shell say No. and i say that's ok! and tickle her or snap my fingers and say good girl naya.. good job.. then ill start my game again and wrestle and try to take it gently... then.. can i have that??? she gives it over. this works with everything now. Or when he's ripping up my homework or something like that. Yea... with the dog training you hide nothing.. no forced control. you set the dog up for fail.. so you can distract and praise and erase the thought.. same with the kids. Put some unimportant paper all over.. when he goes to touch it.. make a sound and distract him.. then good boy, that's a nice baby!... then repeat.. the minute he goes for the paper and breaks the thgouth you throw him in the air and praise like mad! How would I apply this in those situations? Also, what do you do in 'danger' situations (until you're close enough to distract them) - climbing on things, sticking metal objects into electrical outlets, trying to get into the oven, etc.? Use your ..=2E. read more =BB Reply Rocky Feb 15, 12:13 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: Rocky - Find messages by this author Date: 15 Feb 2005 20:13:29 GMT Local: Tues, Feb 15 2005 12:13 pm Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Bettina Jordan said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: I think with this particular dog it was bad vs. good training. Thanks for clarifying. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. Reply I Am Feb 15, 3:33 pm show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.health, rec.pets.dogs.misc From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 15 Feb 2005 15:33:26 -0800 Local: Tues, Feb 15 2005 3:33 pm Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse From: Rocky ) Subject: How to handle aggressive situations Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have, Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash. Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers, thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out" others' dogs at agility trials or training. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. From: Rocky ) Subject: Leg Humper Date: 1999/09/14 (Jerry Howe) wrote in : By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume that you are suggesting that the people knee the dog in the chest. If that's what you meant, just say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods of dealing with behavior problems. Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation up until this last paragraph. Why did you blow it? --Matt "Rocky" wrote in message . 1.4... Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: When you compare using sound and praise to solve a problem with using shock collars, hanging, and punishment how can you criticize the use of sound? There's nothing more to be said, then. You've made up your mind. But you've impressed me by mentioning that you're a professor with 30 years of experience. So, can you cite some examples of people recommending "shock collars, hanging, and punishment"? -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Jerome Bigge writes: I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we want to do. And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter what Jerry Howe states. --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. From: Rocky ) Subject: How to handle aggressive situations Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have, Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the leash. Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers, thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out" others' dogs at agility trials or training. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. "Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For Dealing With This (Destructive Separation Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming / Submissive Urination Technique (STSA/BTC/SUT)? Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented that his bed time calming technique was quite similar? You're scary Marilyn. Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I feel very sorry for her and her family. "His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry. Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce, Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience. BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt, please provide a quote (an original quote, not from one of Jerry Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting or using an abusive form of training. --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Is that true, Marilyn? Of course not~ but THIS IS: "Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap," professora gingold. "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine." "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What does this mean? When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior." --Mike Dufort author of the zero selling book "Courteous Canines" Psychoclown wrote: Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure. Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: lying frosty dahl says: "To me, training a dog without using intimidation, confrontation, or punishment is, indeed, everything. I certainly reject "force" as Marilyn defines it. And "fear" can be included under the category of intimidation. Not a one of these is constructive in the training of a dog; all are bad for the dog/handler relationship, the dog's confidence, the dog's ultimate potential, etc. But I do make use of tools and methods which I believe to cause physical discomfort, including electric collars, pinch collars, chain collars, switches, and the ear pinch. I just don't equate the reaction with the tool/method--I look at the dog to know its reaction. I think that is what some people don't do: they are so full of surmises about what causes what, that they never bother to regard the dog as the authority. I don't beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE'D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON'T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE'S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists... and chin cuff doesn't mean hit, it means slap. amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained require much more frequent and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done, This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply .. With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.' Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog, Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch. Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance .. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in " sinofabitch writes: What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took posts from two different people, took pieces of them out of context, cobbled them together, then added his own words: "Neatly," and "Smartly." and a fake signature. "sinofabitch" instead of sionnach. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Which is exactly what he did. The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context, and Jerry's faked "quote" is downright meaningless. Here's Jerry's version "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch. Here's yours; "I dropped the leash, threw my right arm over the Lab's shoulder, grabbed her opposite foot with my left hand, rolled her on her side, leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and nipped her ear. --Sara Sionnach BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!! That's INSANE. Ain't it. "When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY. BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! From: Mark Shaw ) Subject: Fido-Shock Date: 2002-04-10 14:12:18 PST In article gWLs8.203228$af7.101030@rwcrnsc53, "Coleman Brumley" wrote: Has anyone had experience with this product (Fido-Shock). If so, what model number, voltage, etc.? If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system, I have one. It's to keep boarded dogs out of my flowers. I have a 1.5 year St Bernard who is scaling (not clearing -- more like falling over) our 4 foot fence to visit with owners walking their dogs. I thought of raising the fence a foot or so, but don't think that'll solve the problem. I've tried watching her outside, and give a stern "NO" when she props on the fence for a peek over it. No avail. I've heard this product works after just a couple of tries. I take it you're considering running the wire across the top of the fence? I don't think I'd recommend that, although it may be worth a try. Watch closely -- the one case where I ..=2E. read more =BB Reply dogsnus Feb 16, 3:26 am show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health Followup-To: poster From: dogsnus - Find messages by this author Date: 16 Feb 2005 11:26:15 GMT Local: Wed, Feb 16 2005 3:26 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Note: The author of this message requested that it not be archived. This message will be removed from Groups in 5 days (Feb 23, 3:26 am). "Bettina Jordan" wrote in : You have no life. Poor thing. snip 1280 lines of quote: Dear Bettina, http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/#quotes Thanks. Terri -- The other night I was lying on my bed, looking up at the beautiful stars, and I said to myself, 'where the HELL is my ROOF? !!' Reply I Am Feb 16, 4:56 am show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 16 Feb 2005 04:56:25 -0800 Local: Wed, Feb 16 2005 4:56 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Your dog is DYIN from STRESS INDUCED AUTO- IMMUNE DIS-EASE on accHOWENT of you're a dog abusing MENTAL CASE like the rest of your PALS here abHOWETS {) ; ~ ) Reply I Am Feb 16, 5:01 am show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.health, rec.pets.dogs.misc From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 16 Feb 2005 05:01:14 -0800 Local: Wed, Feb 16 2005 5:01 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse HOWEDY dogsnuts, You're a pathetic mental case... "misty" wrote in message news: ... I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her loss. I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern became how to keep them from running off for days on end. I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti- shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all the time. IOW a great companion and friend. Thanks Jerry! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D "misty" wrote in message news: We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars. Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back in the yard and would run for days. The last time, Peach didn't come back home. I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around the yard. I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. The price was too high:-( ~misty =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Terri"@cyberhighway Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes: I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j=2Eh.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care. And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually admit to buying and having success with his little black box. I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll never know. Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to him! LOL! I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right. Terri Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first?) Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for about one year. It truly does work - at least on my Dobe, Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him personally work with Chelsea. His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog that you will bully, and I wouldn't dream of hurting her. After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long story and I won't bore you with all the details, but suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us. Marge Hoffman. (REWARD PAID BY DW.) P=2ES. You can send me the reward money, but I won't sell you my DDR! All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer "Thank you for fighting the fine fight-- even tho it's a hopeless task, in this system of things. As long as man is ruling man, there will be animals (and humans!) abused and neglected. :-( Your student," Juanita. "If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow," John Wayne .. The Amazing Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ ) GOT MILK? Reply I Am Feb 16, 7:14 am show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 16 Feb 2005 07:14:29 -0800 Local: Wed, Feb 16 2005 7:14 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse WARNING: rec./alt.pets./dogs. are newsgroups where foul language, verbal assault, and a wide variety of obscene concepts are often present. If this sort of thing is not likely to sit well with you, it is probably best that you refrain from reading these forums where proven lying dog abusing active acute incurable long term MENTAL CASES hurt intimdiate and murder their own dogs and lie abHOWET IT. {) ; ~ ) Reply I Am Feb 16, 8:17 am show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 16 Feb 2005 08:17:13 -0800 Local: Wed, Feb 16 2005 8:17 am Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse WARNING: rec./alt.pets./dogs. are newsgroups where FHOWEL language, verbal assault, and a wide variety of obscene concepts are often present. If this sort of thing is not likely to sit well with you, it is probably best that you refrain from reading these forums where proven lying dog abusing active acute incurable long term MENTAL CASES hurt intimdiate and murder their own dogs and lie abHOWET IT .. {) ; ~ ) From: "I Am" Subject: Howdy Mr./Ms. Dog Trainer HOWEDY matty! Looks like you're up to the same old same old, eh my little mentally ill dog abusing punk thug coward buddy? Trade: Exchange Dogs are SCAVENGERS. They STEAL SCRAPS and run to hide to eat them with their back to the wall in a heightened state of alert. the toy she's holding for the one you have in your hand. Trying to take STUFF from a dog who DON'T TRUST YOU will TEACH IT to RUN, HIDE, and SWALLOW STUFF so you can't TAKE IT and MAY teach IT to ATTACK YOU and TAKE YOUR STUFF to boot. The P There AIN'T NUTHIN POSITIVE abHOWET TAKIN AWAY STUFF, matty. You ADD VALUE to STUFF you TRY to TAKE AWAY from the dog, matty. THAT makes dogs PROTECTIVE of their STUFF, matty. will come from the toy you're offering You mean, to get the dog to RESPECT your COMMAND to LEAVE IT, matty? We was talkin to your pal taragreen2 from NYC abHOWET her LEAVE IT COMMAND when she suddenly got CHOKED UP and couldn't teach us HOWE to POISON PROOF a dog, matty. PERHAPS you can ADVISE US, as marie was ASKIN abHOWET IT for her own HOWETA CON- TROLL dog Macula and her HOWETA CON-TROLL twins who are LEARNIN to DISRESPECT her for BRIBING them JUST LIKE HOWE her dog Macula has LEARNED to elicit BRIBES and carry on her HOWETA CON-TROLL BEHAIVORS. Like HOWE your pal melanie change is doin with her HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs Solo and her peeing Pekinese you and your punk thug coward mental case pals told her to JERK and CHOKE to break his HOWES PISSIN on accHOWENT of HE'S ABUSED. and the way you're offering it; You mean, TEASING the dog with an alternate REWARD for STEALIN STUFF, matty? You're a MENTAL CASE, matty. that is, make the exchange worthwhile. THAT'S INSANE! There's plenty of good beginning stuff, You mean like a 100% INSTANTLY RELIABLE COME COMMAND trained NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to boot, matty? but "trade" is the best thing Aussie Rocky learned as a pup. Well THAT'S IDIOCY matty. You "TRAINED" your dog to TRADE STUFF HE STOLE for a REWARD??? --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. CERTAINLY even a MENTAL CASE can SEE THAT AIN'T NORMAL THINKIN, matty. IN FACT, your own POSTED CASE HISTORY SHOWES US otherWIZE: From: "The Puppy Wizard" Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 18:38:25 GMT Subject: Puppy Temper Tantrums... HOWEDY matty, "Rocky" wrote in message ... To put a dollar value on it: A "drop it" command would have saved an acquaintance a $1000 surgery bill on her lab. That so? Seems the DROP IT command happens AFTER the dog has TAKEN the FORBIDDEN FRUIT. Said lab (not a puppy) wouldn't give up a squeaky and, when presented with a treat in exchange, You mean as a BRIBE to release what IT got in ITS MHOWETH that YOU WANT MOORE than the stinkin weenie you're offerin IT in EXXXCHANGE? EVEN A DOG GOT MOORE BRAINS than to fall for THAT kinda IDIOCY. made the decision to swallow the toy As ANY critter would, being PURSUED by a COMPETITOR, dog lovers. What do you EXXXPECT a dog to do when you're fixin to STEAL his BHOWENTY. and then grab and swallow the treat bag. THAT'S what The Amazing Puppy Wizard's been TELLIN you bums in HIS N.I.L.I.F. Posts. REMEMBER, matty? The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ the dog is fixin to tell yout to SHOVE IT and RIP YOU OFF for your weenies and FIGHT you if you offer a protest. THAT'S HOWE COME your stinkin N.I.L.I.F. program GETS SOME DOGS DEAD, matty. I'm very sorry for what must have been a terrible scare for your friend as well the risk to the dog, MOST of HOWER DOG LOVERS here abHOWETS have BEEN THROUGH the SAME SAME SAME SAME for the SAME SAME SAME SAME REASON. THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard goes "BWEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!" REMEMBER NHOWE, matty, you lying dog abusing punk thug coward MENTAL CASE? BWEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAA!! but it's hard not to admire a dog with advanced problem-solving skills. BULLSHIT. The dog attacked the bag of treats based on PREDICTABLE NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE REFLECIVE behavior. A freakin CHIMPANZEE woulda seen THAT comin. It was a scare for me, too. That so, matty? No "skin off your nose," eh matty? Hey? That's abHOWET HOWE and where leah got bit, too. How's this for problem-solving: AllHOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard to CONsult HIS crystal ball. Ooops! SEZ you're a lying dog abusing mental case and you can't post your idiocy here abHOWETS no doGgamened MOORE. The dog went for the hand that was holding the bag of treats, not the treat in the proffered hand. SHAAAZZZAAAMMM? In doing so, she scraped up my hand fairly well The dog BIT you matty. JUST LIKE HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ a dog is SUPPOSED TO DO, matty, on accHOWENT of THAT is the NATURE of the BEAST. (I was attempting the trade Dogs ain't into TRADING, matty. They don't CARE abHOWET your "VALUES." after my acquaintance stood still after saying "drop it drop it drop it" and after her attempted wrestling away didn't work). You went an stuck your hand in the dog's face to teach IT to RESPECT you for a WEENIE. BTW, this was the second time this dog had had bowel surgery and the Nth time she wouldn't give up a toy to the owner. Well, perhaps THAT'S on accHOWENT of all the REINFORCEMENT you've done on this behavior problem by REWARDING BAD BEHAVIORS with TREATS, eh matty? I told her to get her dog to the vet ASAP, On accHOWENT of you fed IT a whole bag of "treats" to wash DHOWEN a squeeky toy you din't have the INTELLECT to GET THE DOG TO PLAY WITH? but she waited until the next day. "Birds of a feather," eh matty. --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. "We Had "Come" Down Pat In A Few Reps And You Could Have Knocked Me Down When I Tried The Exercise With "Drop" And, After A Few Reps In Different Spots Darwin Practically *Threw* The Ball At My Feet On Command," Ben. Hi, Jerry. I'm not sure that I'm a 100% convert, or that I agree with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this manual ... BUT ... we had "come" down pat in a few reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber ball at my feet on command. He's still not perfect (just a pup, after all, and he's stubborn enough to want to push and test me a little bit more). For what it's worth, I can see (as no doubt you have) how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even if that was the only method that would work, I'd live with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that. (Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively, tho'). Best, ben =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D You can't post here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE on accHOWENT of you're a liar a dog abuser a coward and active long term incurable MENTAL CASE Google Home - Google Labs - Services & Tools - Terms of Service - Privacy Policy - Jobs, Press, & Help =A92005 Google Reply I Am Feb 16, 3:32 pm show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 16 Feb 2005 15:32:32 -0800 Local: Wed, Feb 16 2005 3:32 pm Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse HOWEDY bettina, You have no life. Poor thing. Your life revolves arHOWEND your case of MunchHOWESEN by PROXY SYNDROME. EITHER THAT OR YOUR DOG IS DYIN FROM The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME {) ; ~ ) YOUR CASE HISTORY PROVES IT, bettina. So do those of your like minded MENALLY ILL PALS whom you're postin to... WARNING: rec./alt.pets./dogs. are newsgroups where FHOWEL language, verbal assault, and a wide variety of obscene concepts are often present. If this sort of thing is not likely to sit well with you, it is probably best that you refrain from reading these forums where proven lying dog abusing active acute incurable long term MENTAL CASES hurt intimdiate and murder their own dogs and lie abHOWET IT .. {) ; ~ ) Here it is: http://makeashorterlink.com/?G34D2527A Just ASK The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you need any additional FREE heelp. There's NO arbritrary INFORMATION in your FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual so study it well and do and follow ALL the EXXXERCISES AS INSTRUCTED... it's a PRECISE SCIENCE or it COULDN'T GET 100% CONSISTENT NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS for all handlers and all dogs in all fields or utilities and behaviors all over the Whole Wild World {) ; ~ ) And FOR FREE, to boot {) ; ~ ) Reply I Am Feb 16, 3:37 pm show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.animals.dog, rec.pets.dogs.health, rec.pets.dogs.misc From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 16 Feb 2005 15:37:43 -0800 Local: Wed, Feb 16 2005 3:37 pm Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse From: (ABADABRACADABRAH) Date: 17 Aug 2004 17:02:29 GMT Subject: This is howe to complain -- and where to complain [Ninnyboy] HOWEDY dogsnuts, Subject: This is howe to complain -- and where to complain [Ninnyboy] From: dogsnus Date: 8/17/04 5:54 AM (Michael Erskine) wrote in . com: Well, if you bitch to AOL Yeah. Just tell them The Amazing Puppy Wizard has EMBARRASSED and DISCREDITED YOU by QUOTIN you HURTIN dogs and LYING abHOWET it. they will trace down the IP addresses and figure out which accHOWENT is doing it and TURN OFF THE accHOWENT.... GET IT? Like heel. They'll laugh their doGgamened arses off at you lying dog abusing punk thug cowards BITCHIN that The Amazing Puppy Wizard has IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED you as the lying dog abusing punk thug cowards and active long term incurable MENTAL CASES you're PROVEN to be. What I *get* is you explaining the obvious to the experienced and to those who know how to use filters effectively, thus making you an equally boring and useless person to read. Well, certainly michale ain't as CREATIVE as sinofabitch... - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - But, thanks for the explanation. sinofabitch writes: What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took posts from two different people, took pieces of them out of context, cobbled them together, then added his own words: "Neatly," and "Smartly." and a fake signature. "sinofabitch" instead of sionnach. Which is exactly what he did. The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context, and Jerry's faked "quote" is downright meaningless. Here's Jerry's version "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch. Here's yours; "I dropped the leash, threw my right arm over the Lab's shoulder, grabbed her opposite foot with my left hand, rolled her on her side, leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and nipped her ear. --Sara Sionnach BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA !!!!! "You're ONLY as good as your WORD. You're JUDGED BY the company you keep, When you lie with pigs you'll awaken STINKIN like 'em. When you get BAGGED FOR LYING you're MARKED FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY. In the six years he's been a rotting corpse here I've never ever seen or heard of anyone_ continuing to quote his drivel nor have I ever heard someone whining and complaining to get his account cancelled. That so? S-HOWENDS like you're havin a other psychotic break from reality, dogsnuts. NO PROBLEMO. THAT'S a SYMPTOM of The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME. About what I'd expect from someone using google to read and post to UNSENT. That so? - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Terri "Terri"@cyberhighway Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes: I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into good behavior. Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care. And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually admit to buying and having success with his little black box. I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll never know. Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to him! LOL! I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right. Terri Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first ?) " The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's And All Dogs , NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual." The Puppy Wizard .. {} ; ~ ) Here's Disciple Paulie: Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands How Wits End Training Really Works, They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On Trust And Understanding." Disciple Paulie Writes: I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them they are good dogs and they seem to follow me, once I told them they were bad dogs and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell them they are good dogs and they always are, always. Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding everytime. A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to every aspect of the relationship with your dog. Obedience and affection are not related, if they were everyone would have obedient dogs. Paul. " Thank you for fighting the fine fight--even tho it's a hopeless task, in this system of things. As long as man is ruling man, there will be animals (and humans!) abused and neglected. :-( Your student," Juanita .. Is THIS HOWE beast friends treat beast friends?: - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "J1Boss" wrote in message ... He was next to me and I could see his neck muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye. Janet Boss "sionnach" wrote in message ... "J1Boss" wrote in message ... I can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab. An INSENSITIVE DOG??? I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9. Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE EXXXCEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE aversives in their faces. Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME IT was MACED? My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS. They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING DOG ABUSERS HURT and MURDER. - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - From: sionnach ) Subject: Correct use of prong collar Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST And Sally responded: Who said that? I would never do or recommend that, and neither would most of the regulars on here. Sally Hennessey I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies across the room! here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy): A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ very persistant. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"? I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight shake to the *skin*". Janet's not talking about actually shaking the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is abusive .." That's INSANE. Ain't it. So's THIS: "Susan Fraser" wrote in message ... Did you try it on your throat? Not very Not very pleasant. Umm, yes. As a matter of fact, I did. It the sensation is actually much milder than it is on the palm, which has sweat glands and so conducts more. You're full of crap. You're a sexual Sadist. http://tinyurl.com/389al In this video, the dog is constantly jerking his head all around. I'm not SHORE why he's doing that. If he's doing it because he is being shocked repeatedly into getting onto that ... read more =BB Reply I Am Feb 16, 3:49 pm show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health From: "I Am" - Find messages by this author Date: 16 Feb 2005 15:49:09 -0800 Local: Wed, Feb 16 2005 3:49 pm Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse HOWEDY dogsnuts, "dogsnus" wrote in message ... (Susan Fraser) wrote in : Now, I need to go start cooking! I'll be back later! Boy, do you_ start cooking early! I may be eating Honey Nut Cheerios today if this storm doesn't let up a bit with the skymonsters and all. Mojo hasn't left the knee well in the desk since it started. Terri Your dog fears thunder cause you abuse him. Fear of thunder is CAUSED by MISHANDLING. That's HOWE COME The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students and Doggy Do Right customers CURE fear of thunder, separation anxiety, car sickness, and all other temperament and behavior problems nearly instantly: From: Chris Williams ) Subject: Thank you Jerry Howe Date: 2002-03-26 08:16:19 PST Engrossing account, Anthony. Our best to Angel and your family. A friend, who socializes the kittens I've taken from a feral cat colony, is using the DDR. She reports far fewer panic problems than she's had before. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D Chris Williams writes: "The FREE Wits' End Dog Training Method manual I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what I've always done without thinking of it as "training". New stuff, I've used. His anchoring technique erased the last of Mac's fireworks trauma," =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D Mrs. Altman and her husband Dr. Altman, a practicing psychiatrist spent a couple HOWERS on the phone discussing BEHAVIORISM and their dog's CURE of fear of thunder... but that was AFTER they SAW THE RESULTS. The Puppy Wizard. } ; ~ ) Subj: Fear of Thunder Date: 6/29/02 6:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Jraltman To: Witsenddog Dear Jerry, I hope you'll be able to post this message so more people who are at their wit's end will be able to help their dogs. To review: Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder storms. At the beginning of the problem, she paced restlessly from room to room. She couldn't settle and sleep. From there the problem grew. She would run to the far southeast corner of the house (which makes sense because most storms here come from the northwest) and she'd cower in the corner of the couch and shake. 1st attempt to help her: I'd pick her up, brush and massage her (call me a nut - I've sung to her when I've done her daily brushing since she was tiny so of course I sang too) and when she relaxed, I'd put her in her crate. She then slept and I thought the problem was solved. Traumatic event: We were out in the park playing with one of her doggy friends when it began to rain. On the way home, there was the loudest, longest, thunder clap I've ever heard. From that day on, the problem got worse and worse. I couldn't calm her with singing and massage. The fear spread. She wouldn't go out if it was raining. No thunder, just gently summer rain, and she wouldn't go out. The solution: I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit's End Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy Do Right that seemed better than anything else I came across. A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and Director of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince me to try both the manual and the product. Problem solved: I followed Jerry's suggestions (more phone calls - he is most generous with his time and advice). The first two thunder storms my puppy was restless but not running around in a blind panic. The third storm, she barked her deep, stranger danger bark after each clap of thunder. The fourth storm, she seemed uneasy at first. Soon she was asleep at my feet and she napped through the rest of the storm. A miracle. I am endlessly grateful to Jerry for his manual and his machine. A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy a machine that emits a sound I cannot hear. I took the chance because Jerry offered a full refund including shipping. Though I heard nothing, my puppy clearly did. When I first turned on the machine, she got the cutest, most quizzical look on her face. She looked at me as if to say: "What's that? I never heard that before." She looks at the machine when it is on. She rests on the floor beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior that she is aware of its cycles. Amazing. Thank you Jerry. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Date: 5/22/03 11:24:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: To: Well, let me tell you, your Wits' End Dog Training Method works. My dog, Dasie, Loves to chase chameleons around the barbecue on the patio. I used this system on four different occasions. When she went out today, she looked everywhere else but the barbecue. Amazing, just amazing. I will write to Amanda about the video. I am really excited to learn more, and understand. Maybe just a little reassurance that I am going about it the right way. Thanks again Paul Ron M. Jun 2 2004, 1:51 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.animals.dog From: (Ron M.) - Find messages by this author Date: 2 Jun 2004 13:51:46 -0700 Local: Wed, Jun 2 2004 1:51 pm Subject: Dog is petrified of Thunder Storms Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse Puppy Wizard? I can't believe this idiot is STILL around. Please ignore him. He's a psychiatric patient in an Independent Living facility, and has never even been near a dog. Do NOT respond to his posts. Anyway... it's not unusual for dogs to develop a fear of thunderstorms, and it's hard to predict when it will happen. I had a golden retriever that did the same thing. She would fold her ears back and pant heavily, eyes bulging with fear. I don't know what started it; she was about 5 years old, and it just started happening out of the blue. It got to where we couldn't sleep at night - she'd come in and put her feet on the bed and pant over you. If you closed the bedroom door, she'd paw it into splinters. We ended up getting a tranquilizer from the vet to give her. ANYTHING would start it - a light rain, a distant flash of lightning, anything, and there was absolutely nothing you could do to calm her. NOTHING. Sometimes it's very seve I've heard of dogs that would develop this and then go into grand mal seizures when a rain started. One theory is that some condition develops where the dog is hypersensitive to barometric pressure, which usually drops precipitously in rain/storm conditions, and it causes some kind of inner-ear disturbance in the dog's head which scares and confuses it. It's as good an explanation as any, I suspect. There is absolutely no pattern to this thing. Ron M. The Puppy Wizard Jun 2 2004, 3:39 pm show options Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.pitbull, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, rec.pets.dogs.health, rec.pets.dogs.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.breeds, rec.pets.dogs From: "The Puppy Wizard" - Find messages by this author Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:39:10 GMT Local: Wed, Jun 2 2004 3:39 pm Subject: Dog is petrified of Thunder Storms Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse HOWEDY ron, "Ron M." wrote in message m... Puppy Wizard? The Amazing Puppy Wizard at your service. GREETINGS! I can't believe this idiot is STILL around. You're a dog abusing punk: "I've been training and hunting with dogs for over 40 years, so I do have some experience in this area, (shock collars) although I don't claim to know everything. No doubt, there are some exceptions out there, such as the hysterical pooch you described, that just bark as normally as they breath. If the original poster has that kind of dog, yes, it's very possible that the anti-bark collar might not work. But if it's just a bored backyard dog that barks at everything that moves, wakes people up in the middle of the night, etc. then in all probability it will solve the problem. It's certainly worth a try," Ron M. Please ignore him. "It's not at all that simple (and I'm not anti-ecollar - my dog uses one). Nobody can tell you "the proper way to use one" in a USENET post. ANYTHING can happen. Ecollars are like chain saws: used knowledgeably, they can be tremendously productive. Used unknowledgeably, than can cause catastrophic destruction," Ron M. He's a psychiatric patient in an Independent Living facility, Both your dog and kat have seriHOWES anxiHOWESNESS behavior problems, PAINIC ATTACKS. Don't they, ronnie. and has never even been near a dog. FUNctional ANAL-ysists don't need to SEE a dog, ronnie. Alls a behaviorIST gotta do is review your posting history and use the CONstructive approach to determine HOWE COME both your critters are having OCD problems. Do NOT respond to his posts. Like you done. Anyway... You mean anyHOWE. If you're gonna post here abHOWETS you better be nice to gramma an respect SPELLIN. it's not unusual for dogs to develop a fear of thunderstorms, It's not unusual for dogs to have panic attacks withHOWET thunder for a dog that's been abused by a shock or pronged spiked pinch choke collars or otherWIZE HURT and INTIMIDATED by aversive devices and locked in a box under the disguise of TRAININ, ronnie. and it's hard to predict when it will happen. Yeah. But it's NOT hard to predict to WHOM it's GONNA happen, ronnie. It only happens to dogs that are MISHANDLED and ABUSED. That includes dogs that are bribed and their treats withheld to elicit behaviors. I had a golden retriever that did the same thing. INDEED. That's pretty good cause for you not to want folks to read The Amazing Puppy Wizard's posts, particularly when you've ... read more =BB Reply pooteo Feb 17, 5:52 pm show options Newsgroups: uk.rec.pets.misc, alt.med.veterinary, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, alt.pets.dogs.labrador, rec.pets.dogs.health From: "pooteo" - Find messages by this author Date: 17 Feb 2005 17:52:39 -0800 Local: Thurs, Feb 17 2005 5:52 pm Subject: dogs urinates on everything Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Remove | Report Abuse is their an ignore setting on here for this IAM person,cause he is annoying or should i say HOWnoyying. Anywho, let me clarify. the dog gets upset when she jumps on his Back leg,not when she goes near him.He is a perfectly trained dog. and i mean i get compliments all the time and how well he is. everyone failed to address the urinating on everythingin site. Anyone have any Suggestions. |
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Why is there FOUR replies to pooteo?!?
Why not get all your bullshit out that everyone will ignore in ONE message and be done with it? It's easy. Put everything in a single message, then go ahead and add 20,000 lines of crap after your response as usual. No one's going to read what you write anyway so might as well get it done in a single ignorable message. AssHowe is prolly thinking "people ignore me?" NO, REALLY?!? Ignoramus. |
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