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Nasal/Digital Hyperkeratosis
My four year old Lab developed this condition at about age 1. The Vet suggested it may respond to the addition of Zinc suppliments, which I've been giving since (50mgs daily). This past winter the nose has been far worse, possibly aggrevated by 1. dog sleeping near heater. 2. dog sticking head out of car window.
I put Vitamin E cream, paw paw ointment, and nappy rash cream, Bepanthen on his nose, all of which he licks off. His diet is excellent- Royal Canin for Labs, raw kangaroo mince, fruit and vegies, raw meaty bones. We are daily dog park attenders, so he gets plenty of exercise and socialisation. The paws did seem to respond to the Zinc and currently are not a problem. I would welcome any suggestions for treatment. Thanks, Debra |
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"Debra Axelson" wrote
My four year old Lab developed this condition at about age 1. The Vet suggested it may respond to the addition of Zinc suppliments, which I've been giving since (50mgs daily). This past winter the nose has been far Did they run tests to see if he was zinc deficient? Just wondering. It's a harmless guess if not to add a little more. worse, possibly aggrevated by 1. dog sleeping near heater. 2. dog sticking head out of car window. I put Vitamin E cream, paw paw ointment, and nappy rash cream, Bepanthen on his nose, all of which he licks off. Too bad it's his nose. Otherwise I'd suggest something nasty tasting but that would just make him miserable on his nose. His diet is excellent- Royal Canin for Labs, raw kangaroo mince, fruit and vegies, raw meaty bones. Here's some bits I found that may help: - Dogs allergic to something found in their food may develop itchiness and scratching which may irritate the skin, ears and paws. Chewing on the paws may cause the paws to crack once again, and because the allergy often remains unsolved, the chewing is often a chronic and very frustrating problem. - Zinc deficient dogs benefit having their diet supplemented with Omega 3 fatty acids. Royal Canin Lab version ingredients: Chicken meal, corn gluten meal, brown rice, oatmeal, barley, natural chicken flavor, chicken fat, rice, dried beet pulp (sugar removed), pork meal, pea fiber, wheat gluten meal, anchovy oil (source of EPA/DHA), soya oil, sodium silico aluminate, potassium chloride, psyllium seed husk, salt, calcium carbonate, sodium tripolyphosphate, taurine, fructo-oligosaccharides, Vitamins [DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), inositol, niacin supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), D-calcium pantothenate, biotin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), riboflavin supplement (vitamin B2), thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin A acetate, folic acid, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement], choline chloride, glucosamine hydrochloride, Trace Minerals [zinc proteinate, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite], L-carnitine, tea (green tea extract), marigold extract (Tagetes erecta L.), chondroitin sulfate, rosemary extract, preserved with natural mixed tocopherols (source of vitamin E) and citric acid. Note if there is an allergy involved, corn is one of the top 3 items dogs tend to allergies over (the others are wheat and soy). I don't see Omega-3's added. I don't know what the appropriate amount would be (and it's best to check and not assume such things). Thats the sort of thing most vets will answer over the phone with no charge. I'm not sure why taurine is in there (that's for cats) but it's harmless to dogs. Royal Canin is a quite decent mid-range kibble. Augmenting it with raw 'roo mince and meaty bones is a good idea. Dogs don't really 'digest' fruits or veggies but they can add trace minerals and simple bulk/fiber depending on what they are. I use green beans on my Cash-pup to add the bowl up more so he feels more full (harmless extra fiber). |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 09:21:48 +0000, Debra Axelson wrote:
My four year old Lab developed this condition at about age 1. The Vet suggested it may respond to the addition of Zinc suppliments, which I've been giving since (50mgs daily). This past winter the nose has been far worse, possibly aggrevated by 1. dog sleeping near heater. 2. dog sticking head out of car window. I put Vitamin E cream, paw paw ointment, and nappy rash cream, Bepanthen on his nose, all of which he licks off. His diet is excellent- Royal Canin for Labs, raw kangaroo mince, fruit and vegies, raw meaty bones. We are daily dog park attenders, so he gets plenty of exercise and socialisation. The paws did seem to respond to the Zinc and currently are not a problem. I would welcome any suggestions for treatment. Thanks, Debra warning: links maybe broken http://www.lowchensaustralia.com/health/dermabreed.htm http://www.mckeevervetderm.com/documents/diseases/ NasalDigitalHyperkeratosis.pdf http://www.peteducation.com/article....2+2111&aid=427 Mine home remedy for skin: butter (fresh and unsalted, apply like an ointment on dogs nose few times daily) |
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 17:15:29 -0400, cshenk wrote:
Royal Canin Lab version ingredients: Chicken meal, corn gluten meal, brown rice, oatmeal, first four ingredients are byproducts barley, good grain (imho) as fifth natural chicken flavor, how much nutritional value in in it ? chicken fat, rice, dried beet pulp (sugar removed), pork meal, pea fiber, wheat gluten meal, anchovy oil (source of EPA/DHA), soya oil, sodium silico aluminate, potassium chloride, psyllium seed husk, salt, calcium carbonate, sodium tripolyphosphate, taurine, fructo-oligosaccharides, Vitamins [DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), inositol, niacin supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), D-calcium pantothenate, biotin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), riboflavin supplement (vitamin B2), thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin A acetate, folic acid, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement], choline chloride, glucosamine hydrochloride, Trace Minerals [zinc proteinate, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite], L-carnitine, tea (green tea extract), marigold extract (Tagetes erecta L.), chondroitin sulfate, rosemary extract, preserved with natural mixed tocopherols (source of vitamin E) and citric acid. Note if there is an allergy involved, corn is one of the top 3 items dogs tend to allergies over (the others are wheat and soy). I don't see Omega-3's added. I don't know what the appropriate amount would be (and it's best to check and not assume such things). Thats the sort of thing most vets will answer over the phone with no charge. I'm not sure why taurine is in there (that's for cats) but it's harmless to dogs. Royal Canin is a quite decent mid-range kibble. if you consider it a decent food, you may as well feed hay and straw in France this company is still fighting legal challenges due to foof poisoning in 2007/8(?) Augmenting it with raw 'roo mince and meaty bones is a good idea. Dogs don't really 'digest' fruits or veggies but they can add trace minerals and simple bulk/fiber depending on what they are. I use green beans on my Cash-pup to add the bowl up more so he feels more full (harmless extra fiber). |
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On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 09:21:48 +0000, Debra Axelson
wrote: My four year old Lab developed this condition at about age 1. The Vet suggested it may respond to the addition of Zinc suppliments, which I've been giving since (50mgs daily). This past winter the nose has been far worse, possibly aggrevated by 1. dog sleeping near heater. 2. dog sticking head out of car window. I had a Siberian with this, fortunately just on his nose. Probably your dog's nose getting worse didn't have any relation to sleeping near the heater or putting his head out of the car window, though I wouldn't let him do the latter. I put Vitamin E cream, paw paw ointment, and nappy rash cream, Bepanthen on his nose, all of which he licks off. That's one of the frustrating things about this - dogs will lick off ointments put on the nose. Maybe Bag Balm, or something a bit thicker that he can't lick off easily? His diet is excellent- Royal Canin for Labs, raw kangaroo mince, fruit and vegies, raw meaty bones. We are daily dog park attenders, so he gets plenty of exercise and socialisation. Hyperkeratosis doesn't really have anything to do with exercise/socialization. The paws did seem to respond to the Zinc and currently are not a problem. I would welcome any suggestions for treatment. I don't have any suggestions, unfortunately, just sympathy. My dog's nose was at least stable, but nothing we tried helped it either. |
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On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 17:15:29 -0400, "cshenk" wrote:
"Debra Axelson" wrote My four year old Lab developed this condition at about age 1. The Vet suggested it may respond to the addition of Zinc suppliments, which I've been giving since (50mgs daily). This past winter the nose has been far Did they run tests to see if he was zinc deficient? Just wondering. It's a harmless guess if not to add a little more. It isn't a guess; some types of hyperkeratosis respond to zinc. Here's some bits I found that may help: - Dogs allergic to something found in their food may develop itchiness and scratching which may irritate the skin, ears and paws. Chewing on the paws may cause the paws to crack once again, and because the allergy often remains unsolved, the chewing is often a chronic and very frustrating problem. Hyperkeratosis isn't an allergy. |
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"sonofdog" wrote
cshenk wrote: Royal Canin Lab version ingredients: Chicken meal, corn gluten meal, brown rice, oatmeal, first four ingredients are byproducts Yes, I noted that. It may however be the best thing the OP can find locally. Note if there is an allergy involved, corn is one of the top 3 items dogs tend to allergies over (the others are wheat and soy). I don't see Omega-3's added. I don't know what the appropriate amount would be (and it's best to check and not assume such things). Thats the sort of thing most vets will answer over the phone with no charge. I'm not sure why taurine is in there (that's for cats) but it's harmless to dogs. Royal Canin is a quite decent mid-range kibble. if you consider it a decent food, you may as well feed hay and straw Check some of the really cheap stuff and you'll see why I call that 'mid-range'. There's a lady in another group caretaking some pocket poodles for a sick neighbor who are fed 'kibbles-n-bits' and she's trying to get the owner to upgrade to at least this level. Believe me, there's much worse than Royal Canin out there! Al least there is an animal involved in this one's primary top ingredient. My 2 pooches get Blue Wilderness and raw fed healthy stuff. Morning is kibble (except Sammy gets a little 'wet' treat as his fosters did the wet in the morning so he's still swapping gently to just kibble in am). Nooner is bone broth with treat bits of meats. Evening is usually a bit of kibble but mostly raw 'something or other' (the kibble for crunchy contrast). Last night, it was coagulated pig blood, pig heart, and some bits of other raw meat. Later Cash got a marrow bone and Sammy got 3 chicken wings. (Sammy doesn't have the teeth for the marrow bones but doesnt have the gulping problems of Cash with raw meaty chicken either. Chicken wings are just right for him). Hehehe Cash thinks this is all normal but Sammy is so new to us, he's totally delighted at all the oddiments that land in his bowl to try out. He's been here just 1 week and has learned that the cat will steal his shrimp heads, eat the best parts, then give him back the rest. This morning he showed that he's watched Cash and now knows how to keep Daisy-chan at bay from his bowl. Full head lick. She'll stop right away to fix her 'do' and then he can eat his goodies in peace ;-) |
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"sonofdog" wrote in message ... Chicken meal, corn gluten meal, brown rice, oatmeal, first four ingredients are byproducts Oatmeal, brown rice and not even corn gluten meal are considered by-products, which is a term reserved for meat products that are not meat and bone. Meal is: "water and fat are removed from meat meal, so it is only 10% moisture (what's left is mostly protein and minerals)" http://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/.../ucm047113.htm buglady take out the dog before replying |
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"cshenk" wrote in message ... This morning he showed that he's watched Cash and now knows how to keep Daisy-chan at bay from his bowl. Full head lick. She'll stop right away to fix her 'do' and then he can eat his goodies in peace ;-) OK, that's just damn charming, that is! Clever and charming. Thanks for sharing that. |
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"Phyrie" wrote
"cshenk" wrote This morning he showed that he's watched Cash and now knows how to keep Daisy-chan at bay from his bowl. Full head lick. She'll stop right away to fix her 'do' and then he can eat his goodies in peace ;-) OK, that's just damn charming, that is! Clever and charming. Thanks for sharing that. Hehe Sammy shows that 'Yes, you CAN teach an old dog new tricks!' Sammy likes Cats and Daisy-chan is very dog-savvy and knows which can be trusted. Now that my neck is feeling much better, she's taking turns sleeping a few hours with each of us. She starts with me on the sofa (back issue, a memory foam sofa which is the best place for now for me to sleep). Then she moves off around 2am to where Sammy and Cash are kinda belly to back and Daisy-chan takes the little warm spot between'em. Come more towards morning, it's up on the bed with Don so she can make him wake up early for breakfast. Daisy was feral for several years they believe, and her worst fear seems to be missing a meal (grin). |
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