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rescue/shelter VS. Breeder
I am torn here, as I have posted earlier, We are looking for a dog/puppy to
bring home. I had previously decided that adopting a dog/puppy from a shelter would be the best route, mainly because I feel so bad about them being there in the first place...But...with all the stories I have heard about the way dogs/puppies are treated at a breeders, aren't they the ones we should feel sorry for? Most shelters now-days are non-kill, meaning dogs can stay until they find a home or die a natural death. These puppies and dogs at the breeder have no such luck. I know the point that anti-breeders are trying to get across is that we should not help the mean people profit from the way they treat the poor little things, but if I get a puppy out of that situation, isn't the good outweighing the bad? Any thoughts? Kim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 10/9/2003 |
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Kim wrote: we should feel sorry for? Most shelters now-days are non-kill, meaning dogs can stay until they find a home or die a natural death. Not true at all. While there are no-kill shelters out there, I would most definitely not say that "most" of the shelters are no-kill. If they were, we wouldn't be killing 5-6 million pets each year. For just one example of all the dogs (and pups) waiting for homes and will get euthanized if one can't be found, try the 'Pet List' at indyhusky.petfinder.com. I check this link regularly, and it isn't at all unusual to find 'Godspeed' next to the name of a particular dog. Many, many times, the dog that was PTS is less than 6 months old. These puppies and dogs at the breeder have no such luck. I know the point that anti-breeders are trying to get across is that we should not help the mean people profit from the way they treat the poor little things, but if I get a puppy out of that situation, isn't the good outweighing the bad? Look at it another way. Bad breeder out to make a buck has a litter of 6 that he needs to get rid of. People who are looking, are looking for responsible breeders and choose not to buy these puppies. The pups are getting older, not so cute any more, and the breeder is spending money keeping them fed. At some point, he'll either give them away for free or dump them in a shelter. Since there is no money in this breeding thing, decides not to breed again. It may be a little tough on this litter of puppies, but the poor mom who would otherwise be bred at every cycle (twice a year) benefits. The unborn pups who would otherwise end up in completely unscreened homes where they will have to put up with whatever kind of treatment is meted out to them benefits. And the human who was willing to make the life of his bitch miserable, produce puppies with no regard for their health and well being just so he could make a buck does not. To me, this situation is better than the one you had previously outlined. And, you can extrapolate this to the large scale breeders (puppy mills) as well. If all the people with a good heart just stopped giving these people a motive (money) to keep up with their shoddy breeding practices, the pet overpopulation problem would be significantly reduced, and the lives of the dog population in general would be better. Suja |
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Kim wrote: we should feel sorry for? Most shelters now-days are non-kill, meaning dogs can stay until they find a home or die a natural death. Not true at all. While there are no-kill shelters out there, I would most definitely not say that "most" of the shelters are no-kill. If they were, we wouldn't be killing 5-6 million pets each year. For just one example of all the dogs (and pups) waiting for homes and will get euthanized if one can't be found, try the 'Pet List' at indyhusky.petfinder.com. I check this link regularly, and it isn't at all unusual to find 'Godspeed' next to the name of a particular dog. Many, many times, the dog that was PTS is less than 6 months old. These puppies and dogs at the breeder have no such luck. I know the point that anti-breeders are trying to get across is that we should not help the mean people profit from the way they treat the poor little things, but if I get a puppy out of that situation, isn't the good outweighing the bad? Look at it another way. Bad breeder out to make a buck has a litter of 6 that he needs to get rid of. People who are looking, are looking for responsible breeders and choose not to buy these puppies. The pups are getting older, not so cute any more, and the breeder is spending money keeping them fed. At some point, he'll either give them away for free or dump them in a shelter. Since there is no money in this breeding thing, decides not to breed again. It may be a little tough on this litter of puppies, but the poor mom who would otherwise be bred at every cycle (twice a year) benefits. The unborn pups who would otherwise end up in completely unscreened homes where they will have to put up with whatever kind of treatment is meted out to them benefits. And the human who was willing to make the life of his bitch miserable, produce puppies with no regard for their health and well being just so he could make a buck does not. To me, this situation is better than the one you had previously outlined. And, you can extrapolate this to the large scale breeders (puppy mills) as well. If all the people with a good heart just stopped giving these people a motive (money) to keep up with their shoddy breeding practices, the pet overpopulation problem would be significantly reduced, and the lives of the dog population in general would be better. Suja |
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Kim wrote: we should feel sorry for? Most shelters now-days are non-kill, meaning dogs can stay until they find a home or die a natural death. Not true at all. While there are no-kill shelters out there, I would most definitely not say that "most" of the shelters are no-kill. If they were, we wouldn't be killing 5-6 million pets each year. For just one example of all the dogs (and pups) waiting for homes and will get euthanized if one can't be found, try the 'Pet List' at indyhusky.petfinder.com. I check this link regularly, and it isn't at all unusual to find 'Godspeed' next to the name of a particular dog. Many, many times, the dog that was PTS is less than 6 months old. These puppies and dogs at the breeder have no such luck. I know the point that anti-breeders are trying to get across is that we should not help the mean people profit from the way they treat the poor little things, but if I get a puppy out of that situation, isn't the good outweighing the bad? Look at it another way. Bad breeder out to make a buck has a litter of 6 that he needs to get rid of. People who are looking, are looking for responsible breeders and choose not to buy these puppies. The pups are getting older, not so cute any more, and the breeder is spending money keeping them fed. At some point, he'll either give them away for free or dump them in a shelter. Since there is no money in this breeding thing, decides not to breed again. It may be a little tough on this litter of puppies, but the poor mom who would otherwise be bred at every cycle (twice a year) benefits. The unborn pups who would otherwise end up in completely unscreened homes where they will have to put up with whatever kind of treatment is meted out to them benefits. And the human who was willing to make the life of his bitch miserable, produce puppies with no regard for their health and well being just so he could make a buck does not. To me, this situation is better than the one you had previously outlined. And, you can extrapolate this to the large scale breeders (puppy mills) as well. If all the people with a good heart just stopped giving these people a motive (money) to keep up with their shoddy breeding practices, the pet overpopulation problem would be significantly reduced, and the lives of the dog population in general would be better. Suja |
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"Kim" wrote in message ... I am torn here, as I have posted earlier, We are looking for a dog/puppy to bring home. I had previously decided that adopting a dog/puppy from a shelter would be the best route, mainly because I feel so bad about them being there in the first place...But...with all the stories I have heard about the way dogs/puppies are treated at a breeders, aren't they the ones we should feel sorry for? Most shelters now-days are non-kill, meaning dogs can stay until they find a home or die a natural death. These puppies and dogs at the breeder have no such luck. I know the point that anti-breeders are trying to get across is that we should not help the mean people profit from the way they treat the poor little things, but if I get a puppy out of that situation, isn't the good outweighing the bad? Any thoughts? Kim Reinforcing the money motive is NOT the way to get back yard breeders to stop. Don't buy from them. If you are interested in a specific breed, there are usually rescue groups devoted to them that have dogs available, many of them from puppy mills and that have the associated health problems to prove it. And, unless you are looking for a specific high quality purebred for showing, why the "need" for a purebred anyway? Shelter mutts can provide just as good a family companionship as a purebred, and in the end, isn't it far more important to add a family member to your home that works with your own family dynamics rather than having a piece of paper that tells you who the dog's parents were? "No-kill" is a bit of a misnomer. All it means is that those particular animals in that particular shelter won't be euthanized as long as they are deemed "adoptible" which means that the rescue cannot take in other animals while one is still occupying that space. What happens when a energetic lab mix has been in caged in a no-kill for a year and becomes psychotic? He is deemed "unadoptible" and euthanized. What happens to the perfectly healthy and social golden mix found on the side of the road looking for help? Where does that needy animal go in the year that the unadoptible dog was taking up space in the no-kill? To the kill shelter or to be left abandoned by the side of the road. No-kills are great for *some* animals, but overall, the homeless pet population isn't as well served by them as the publicity would have you believe. The better, smarter shelters may still euthanize so as to be able to help a larger number of animals, but they are also out there making spay/neuter a priority so as to really have an impact at the source of the problem. The big problem is that they haven't learned how to make cleaning up other people's messes sound pretty, and the no-kills receive all of the publicity and funding. Sunflower |
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"Kim" wrote in message ... I am torn here, as I have posted earlier, We are looking for a dog/puppy to bring home. I had previously decided that adopting a dog/puppy from a shelter would be the best route, mainly because I feel so bad about them being there in the first place...But...with all the stories I have heard about the way dogs/puppies are treated at a breeders, aren't they the ones we should feel sorry for? Most shelters now-days are non-kill, meaning dogs can stay until they find a home or die a natural death. These puppies and dogs at the breeder have no such luck. I know the point that anti-breeders are trying to get across is that we should not help the mean people profit from the way they treat the poor little things, but if I get a puppy out of that situation, isn't the good outweighing the bad? Any thoughts? Kim Reinforcing the money motive is NOT the way to get back yard breeders to stop. Don't buy from them. If you are interested in a specific breed, there are usually rescue groups devoted to them that have dogs available, many of them from puppy mills and that have the associated health problems to prove it. And, unless you are looking for a specific high quality purebred for showing, why the "need" for a purebred anyway? Shelter mutts can provide just as good a family companionship as a purebred, and in the end, isn't it far more important to add a family member to your home that works with your own family dynamics rather than having a piece of paper that tells you who the dog's parents were? "No-kill" is a bit of a misnomer. All it means is that those particular animals in that particular shelter won't be euthanized as long as they are deemed "adoptible" which means that the rescue cannot take in other animals while one is still occupying that space. What happens when a energetic lab mix has been in caged in a no-kill for a year and becomes psychotic? He is deemed "unadoptible" and euthanized. What happens to the perfectly healthy and social golden mix found on the side of the road looking for help? Where does that needy animal go in the year that the unadoptible dog was taking up space in the no-kill? To the kill shelter or to be left abandoned by the side of the road. No-kills are great for *some* animals, but overall, the homeless pet population isn't as well served by them as the publicity would have you believe. The better, smarter shelters may still euthanize so as to be able to help a larger number of animals, but they are also out there making spay/neuter a priority so as to really have an impact at the source of the problem. The big problem is that they haven't learned how to make cleaning up other people's messes sound pretty, and the no-kills receive all of the publicity and funding. Sunflower |
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"Kim" wrote in message ... I am torn here, as I have posted earlier, We are looking for a dog/puppy to bring home. I had previously decided that adopting a dog/puppy from a shelter would be the best route, mainly because I feel so bad about them being there in the first place...But...with all the stories I have heard about the way dogs/puppies are treated at a breeders, aren't they the ones we should feel sorry for? Most shelters now-days are non-kill, meaning dogs can stay until they find a home or die a natural death. These puppies and dogs at the breeder have no such luck. I know the point that anti-breeders are trying to get across is that we should not help the mean people profit from the way they treat the poor little things, but if I get a puppy out of that situation, isn't the good outweighing the bad? Any thoughts? Kim Reinforcing the money motive is NOT the way to get back yard breeders to stop. Don't buy from them. If you are interested in a specific breed, there are usually rescue groups devoted to them that have dogs available, many of them from puppy mills and that have the associated health problems to prove it. And, unless you are looking for a specific high quality purebred for showing, why the "need" for a purebred anyway? Shelter mutts can provide just as good a family companionship as a purebred, and in the end, isn't it far more important to add a family member to your home that works with your own family dynamics rather than having a piece of paper that tells you who the dog's parents were? "No-kill" is a bit of a misnomer. All it means is that those particular animals in that particular shelter won't be euthanized as long as they are deemed "adoptible" which means that the rescue cannot take in other animals while one is still occupying that space. What happens when a energetic lab mix has been in caged in a no-kill for a year and becomes psychotic? He is deemed "unadoptible" and euthanized. What happens to the perfectly healthy and social golden mix found on the side of the road looking for help? Where does that needy animal go in the year that the unadoptible dog was taking up space in the no-kill? To the kill shelter or to be left abandoned by the side of the road. No-kills are great for *some* animals, but overall, the homeless pet population isn't as well served by them as the publicity would have you believe. The better, smarter shelters may still euthanize so as to be able to help a larger number of animals, but they are also out there making spay/neuter a priority so as to really have an impact at the source of the problem. The big problem is that they haven't learned how to make cleaning up other people's messes sound pretty, and the no-kills receive all of the publicity and funding. Sunflower |
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"Sunflower" wrote: in the end, isn't it far more important to add a family member to your home that works with your own family dynamics rather than having a piece of paper that tells you who the dog's parents were? I don't believe that's necessarily true. There's nothing wrong with mutts or rescue dogs, but there are many reasons to get a dog from a responsible breeder. I'm not talking about breeders who don't bother with pesky things like genetic testing, I'm talking about breeders who are breeding for the benefit of the breed. There's nothing wrong with wanting a particular breed of dog. As for knowing who the parents (and several generations back) goes, one good reason to know is to understand whether the line has been tested for genetic problems and what the outcome, over generations, has been. There's nothing wrong with wanting a particular breed of dog and wanting to find the healthiest, best representative of that breed. |
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In article ,
"Sunflower" wrote: in the end, isn't it far more important to add a family member to your home that works with your own family dynamics rather than having a piece of paper that tells you who the dog's parents were? I don't believe that's necessarily true. There's nothing wrong with mutts or rescue dogs, but there are many reasons to get a dog from a responsible breeder. I'm not talking about breeders who don't bother with pesky things like genetic testing, I'm talking about breeders who are breeding for the benefit of the breed. There's nothing wrong with wanting a particular breed of dog. As for knowing who the parents (and several generations back) goes, one good reason to know is to understand whether the line has been tested for genetic problems and what the outcome, over generations, has been. There's nothing wrong with wanting a particular breed of dog and wanting to find the healthiest, best representative of that breed. |
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In article ,
"Sunflower" wrote: in the end, isn't it far more important to add a family member to your home that works with your own family dynamics rather than having a piece of paper that tells you who the dog's parents were? I don't believe that's necessarily true. There's nothing wrong with mutts or rescue dogs, but there are many reasons to get a dog from a responsible breeder. I'm not talking about breeders who don't bother with pesky things like genetic testing, I'm talking about breeders who are breeding for the benefit of the breed. There's nothing wrong with wanting a particular breed of dog. As for knowing who the parents (and several generations back) goes, one good reason to know is to understand whether the line has been tested for genetic problems and what the outcome, over generations, has been. There's nothing wrong with wanting a particular breed of dog and wanting to find the healthiest, best representative of that breed. |
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