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Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Resea rch_Laboratory wrote:
HOWEDY chardonnay9, THANK YOU for doin a FINE job IDENTIFYING, EXXXPOSING and DISCREDITING the lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASES who post their LIES IDIOCY INSANITY and ABUSE here abHOWETS and Thanks to you too Jerry. I've looked into you and your talents. Seems you are in the Orlando area which means we are neighbors. I'm in Tampa. You need to post some better videos to YouTube. They are blurry. WELCOME to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory {}'; ~ ) I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard, Director Of Trainin an Research {}'; ~ ) |
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chardonnay9 wrote: As if anyone could make up a diet from leftovers that don't meet human requirements that is better than what Mother Nature provides! Arsenic - one of nature's building blocks! It doesn't contain any molecules - that's important, right? As we recall from our earlier discussions, carcinogens contain molecules. Science sez that there's a nearly perfect correlation. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Thanks to you too Jerry. I've looked into you and your talents. Seems you
are in the Orlando area which means we are neighbors. I'm in Tampa. You need to post some better videos to YouTube. They are blurry. This explains a lot. You two should start a neighborhood block club. Just notify the authorities first. Welcome to my Jerry Howe hell hole. |
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Hi chardonnay9,
You seem to be very passionate about raw food diets. I was hoping we might have an open discussion about it. First, my own views (I'd invite you to make similar statements of your basic views): I feed kibble. There are some crappy kibbles out there (in fact there are many crappy kibbles out there). There are some crappy raw diets out there (in fact there are many crappy raw diets out there). Some raw diets are better than some kibble diets. Some kibble diets are better than some raw diets. My attitude towards a diet is if it seems to be working for the dog, don't fix it. There are *many* people out there who will try to tell you a diet you should feed your dog. Most of these 'diets' are based on little more than what one person has decided is a good idea, and very little in the way of actual justification. Some of these diets are down right dangerous to feed long term because of nutritional inadequacies. I prefer to give my money to a company that has vested long term interest producing good results (some guy on the internet, or some guy trying to sell a book has no such motivation). Vets will notice if all the dogs who come in eating brand x have a particular problem. Why do you think most vets *ask* what you're feeding? they are looking for correlations, and trying to get an idea for themselves as far as what works, and what doesn’t. As far as lack of scientific research goes, I think part of the issue is that the problem you're looking at is too big. That just isn't the way science generally works. You can't even ask a question like "What is better? Raw diets? Or kibble?" Its too broad, the experimenter can make the results come out any way they choose simply by the way they set up the experiment (the parameters, and measurements). A more appropriate question to ask might be to test one of the claims of the raw diet (or the kibble diet) and see if it stands up to analysis. One claim is that cooking food destroys the nutritional value. Even that is somewhat too vague, as we haven't pinned down exactly what we mean by 'cooking'. Is cooking simply exposing to high heat? Are we boiling in liquid? Are we treating with chemicals? That aside, all the evidence that I was able to find from a literature search points the other way (although not unequivocally). Cooking in fact (generally) enhances the bioavailability of nutrients, possibly by breaking down globular proteins in to more easily digested chunks. There is some loss in the process of total protein, but the amount that is actually available to be digested/absorbed increases. (see references in other thread). There may (potentially) be some preferential loss of certain amino acids more prone to breaking down under heat stress. Anyways, before I go too far, I'd like to hear your response. Dale Atkin |
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"Dale Atkin" wrote in news:niqTk.404$jr4.93
@edtnps82: Why do you think most vets *ask* what you're feeding? They do? Because I've been to a lot of vets, and I've never had one ask me what I was feeding my dog. Even when we were discussing probable food allergies, she didn't ask me about specific foods. -- Shelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) |
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Shelly said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
Why do you think most vets *ask* what you're feeding? They do? Because I've been to a lot of vets, and I've never had one ask me what I was feeding my dog. Even when we were discussing probable food allergies, she didn't ask me about specific foods. I was asked once, but only after it was suggested that I feed Rocky some form of weight loss kibble. "How about if I feed him less of the stuff he's on?" Various vets have complimented me on how my dogs are in great shape. Two, of three, have asked me how this happened. That's when they should be prepared for a good discussion. Generally, I find that vets are open to discussion. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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Shelly wrote: They do? Because I've been to a lot of vets, and I've never had one ask me what I was feeding my dog. Even when we were discussing probable food allergies, she didn't ask me about specific foods. I find it's pretty hit-and-miss. I've been seeing the same vets for years (although they've changed practices during that period) and they asked a few times early on. Can't say I've been asked any time in the past few years despite being down there fairly often (8 dogs will do that) and despite switching foods regularly. The students at the vet school always ask, when we go up there, but they're working off a checklist. They also take the dog's temperature every single time and a bunch of other stuff. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Shelly spoke these words of wisdom in
1: "Dale Atkin" wrote in news:niqTk.404$jr4.93 @edtnps82: Why do you think most vets *ask* what you're feeding? They do? Because I've been to a lot of vets, and I've never had one ask me what I was feeding my dog. Even when we were discussing probable food allergies, she didn't ask me about specific foods. Every vet I've ever been to asks me what I'm feeding, Everytime. Especially when I had gastric issues with Danny, who went to many specialists (who was fed raw food) |
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Shelly wrote:
"Dale Atkin" wrote in news:niqTk.404$jr4.93 @edtnps82: Why do you think most vets *ask* what you're feeding? They do? Because I've been to a lot of vets, and I've never had one ask me what I was feeding my dog. Even when we were discussing probable food allergies, she didn't ask me about specific foods. I've had a lot of vets ask me what I feed but they then sort of look puzzled, because I don't necessarily give the stock answer (Iams or Dog Chow). When I say, "Evo," they don't know what that is. |
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Rocky wrote in
: Various vets have complimented me on how my dogs are in great shape. Two, of three, have asked me how this happened. Oh yeah. *I* have discussed food with my vets, but only after it was clear that they weren't going to broach the topic on their own. That's when they should be prepared for a good discussion. Generally, I find that vets are open to discussion. I've had a mixed bag experience there. Some of them have seemed rushed, and only wanting to do the bare minimum. Trying to discuss food has gotten at best a shrug and "Whatever works" from them. That's one of the reasons I've auditioned pretty much every vet in (and some out of) town. At the new clinic, I've now seen all but one vet, and only the first one was interested in discussing food. That makes sense, though, as the first vet was the one we had the "getting to know you" check-up with. She spent quite a bit of time with us, and after I'd brought up the subject of food, we did discuss specifics. -- Shelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) |
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