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  #11  
Old June 17th 12, 04:57 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
cshenk
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Phil L wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health:

cshenk wrote:
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Aunti Mabel, youngest Vet age estimate now is 15 (we call
Thanksgiving her birthday so 16 before long). Heartworm but no
apparent lingering systemic damage, arthritis. Same as Cash, she
gets the bone broth and shrimp shells/heads but her jaw and teeth
can't handle the raw marrow bone. We tried the shellfish based
one but something in it didn't agree with her (though shrimp shells
are fine). We swapped to one with no shellfish and the combination
effect of the 2 have her hopping about almost like a puppy now.



Thanks for the info, I might make some large batches (to freeze off
in portions) of bone broth because my dog never bothers with bones,
she's a TV dog, in that if it's on, she's in front of it running
around in circles, this is why she never sits or lies down, and
rarely even bothers with food or bones until it's switched off.

Sorry to hear about your dogs with heartworm, thankfully we don't
have this horrid parasite in the UK.

I'll cointinue with the 500mg a day of the tablets while I already
have them in - she's been on them 6 days now and no side effects as
yet, then, if they do give her any benefit, I'll buy the powdered
version and adjust her intake accordingly, although the tablets are
easy to split into halves or quarters if they work out (much) more
cost effective.

I realise I might sound like a skinflint here and in other posts, but
we live in Britain, where everyone is out to rip off everyone else,
for instance, a quick check online throws up 'glucosamine sulphate
for cats and dogs' from one supplier at #16 (about us$25) for 60 X
500mg, yet I can buy the human version for #2 ($3) for 90 X 500mg.
It's the same with vet's prescriptions - they charge #40 - #50 just
to see them, then any scripts are charged for even if you take them
home to get the drugs online, and if you don't, the vet charges
double what you would pay online, often a simple course of
anti-biotics which have a value of less than a #1 can end up costing
70 or 80 times that if you go through the vet


No problem Phil and if the pills are easier and cheaper in your case
than the powder, by all means use them!

It;s much better to save the spare #'s and use that to add a bit of
better food for the dog.

I freeze up the broth in 1 cup amounts here. Cash gets 1/2 cup, Aunti
Mabel gets the rest minus 2 TB for the cat. I used to fiddle with ice
trays to freeze it but now i need more so use simple stacking
containers and pull one a day.

It can not hurt to add this to the suppliments but you add no salt so
if using some for yourself, salt it as you warm it back up.

2 carcasses of a 1- 1.5 KG chicken will make about 2 gallons (sorry,
challanged there other than a gallon is about 2.5 L?) broth. Least
espensive method is a slow cooker (called a crockpot here). A stand
alone unit that plugs into an outlet, normally with a removable 'crock'
of thick ceramic. You'll go broke doing it on the stove top but in
this slow cooker, cost very little in electrics and the result is
actually better.

I was pressed for time last Xmas and only had pork broth handy and
needed chicken. I got some from the store. Man, it was nasty salty
water with no flavor. It was like they tried to make a liter of broth
with 50 G of bones then salted it up.

BTW, if it gels in the fridge, you did it right. If it doesnt, add
more bone to water next time and cook a bit longer.
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Old June 17th 12, 05:41 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Jo Wolf
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Default joint pain - US measurements

Quart = 960 ml or 32 oz, Liter = 1000 ml (30 ml = 1 oz, 8 oz = 1 cup)
Gallon = 4 quarts or 4 liters minus 1/2 cup or 160 ml, approx.
KG = 2.2 lbs. 1.5 KG = about 3 1/4 lbs would be a good target.

The largest slow-cooker I've actually seen in a store is only 7
quarts/liters. I have one each 3 qt and a 4 qt sizes.... so would split
the chicken and the water between them to cook a bit over 3 lbs chicken
with a bit over a quart (or 2 quarts?) each of water..... I seriously
doubt if you'd get a gel-rich broth using that amount of chicken and 2
gallons of water, even cooking for about 24 hours, but I've never cooked
anything that long.... Maybe 2 quarts + 1 cup.... or 4 quarts + 2 cups
(4 1/2 qts)?

I think. That much math is an effort, and my calculator has run
away.....

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia, USA

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Old June 17th 12, 05:43 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Jo Wolf
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Default joint pain OOPS

I only accounted for Half of the chicken you specified. 3 KG of chicken
and 2 gallons of water, maybe.... but check my math....

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia, USA

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Old June 18th 12, 08:10 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Phil L
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cshenk wrote:

No problem Phil and if the pills are easier and cheaper in your case
than the powder, by all means use them!

It;s much better to save the spare #'s and use that to add a bit of
better food for the dog.

I freeze up the broth in 1 cup amounts here. Cash gets 1/2 cup, Aunti
Mabel gets the rest minus 2 TB for the cat. I used to fiddle with ice
trays to freeze it but now i need more so use simple stacking
containers and pull one a day.

It can not hurt to add this to the suppliments but you add no salt so
if using some for yourself, salt it as you warm it back up.

2 carcasses of a 1- 1.5 KG chicken will make about 2 gallons (sorry,
challanged there other than a gallon is about 2.5 L?) broth. Least


A US gallon is 3.75L, but thanks for having a bash at the metrics :-)

espensive method is a slow cooker (called a crockpot here). A stand
alone unit that plugs into an outlet, normally with a removable
'crock' of thick ceramic. You'll go broke doing it on the stove top
but in this slow cooker, cost very little in electrics and the result
is actually better.


I have access to a stockpot, although the more common name over here is slow
cooker, and I do use them occasionally for making casseroles while I'm at
work

I was pressed for time last Xmas and only had pork broth handy and
needed chicken. I got some from the store. Man, it was nasty salty
water with no flavor. It was like they tried to make a liter of broth
with 50 G of bones then salted it up.

BTW, if it gels in the fridge, you did it right. If it doesnt, add
more bone to water next time and cook a bit longer.


I use a similar method when making pea and ham soup, so I know what to
expect with regards to the jelly like substance when simmering the ham, the
general rule is, if it sticks your lips together, it's perfectly done.

How do you get it into the dogs? - I could just mix it with her regular
food?

Took her out yesterday with the ball and she chased a few rabbits and
squirrels so it was a fairly active session and I didn't notice any kind of
discomfort with her afterwards, - she's been on 500mg a day for 11 days and
2 days at 250mg, so I'll leave her on half a tab (250mg) from now on but
they seem to have started working already.

Can get bones for free from a local butcher so it'll probably be a mixture
of beef and pork broth.
No chance of getting chicken carcases as over here, it's mostly big
supermarkets that really sell much chicken and they won't part with anything
unless it's astronomically priced


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Old June 18th 12, 11:09 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Jo Wolf
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A stock pot is just a large, tall kettle.... no heating element, used on
a stove top. Often used for making broth, stock and soups. Crock-Pot
is the brand name of the original slow cooker, which does have it's own
heating element.... now a number of brands are available....

The broth or gel from the fridge will be no problem for most dogs.
Slurp and it's gone, but it certainly can be put on/in the food.

Happy cooking!

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia, USA

  #16  
Old July 7th 12, 12:44 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
cshenk
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Default joint pain OOPS

Jo Wolf wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health:

I only accounted for Half of the chicken you specified. 3 KG of
chicken and 2 gallons of water, maybe.... but check my math....

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia, USA


I was trying to cross calculate and messed up a bit. I do not think
liquids in metric though I can handle KG fine for meats.

Basically you want the bones for 6 lbs of chickens which would be
2-3lbs of chicken before deboning.

Basically cover them plus 1 inch with water and cook.

Only 'momma crock' handles this. Thats a large oval that can handle a
whole pork shoulder.

http://www.amazon.com/Maxi-Matic-MST...Stainless/dp/B
000F7FM7O/ref=sr_1_1?s=appliances&ie=UTF8&qid=1341617692&sr= 1-1&keywords
=large+slow+cooker

8.5 quart and quite a few like it. Mine commonly yields close to 2G
results.

European versions that are 'slow cookers' but not like USA crockpots
range to 22 quarts. We'd call them rosters I think?



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Old July 7th 12, 12:54 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
cshenk
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Phil L wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health:

cshenk wrote:

No problem Phil and if the pills are easier and cheaper in your case
than the powder, by all means use them!

It;s much better to save the spare #'s and use that to add a bit of
better food for the dog.

I freeze up the broth in 1 cup amounts here. Cash gets 1/2 cup,
Aunti Mabel gets the rest minus 2 TB for the cat. I used to fiddle
with ice trays to freeze it but now i need more so use simple
stacking containers and pull one a day.

It can not hurt to add this to the suppliments but you add no salt
so if using some for yourself, salt it as you warm it back up.

2 carcasses of a 1- 1.5 KG chicken will make about 2 gallons (sorry,
challanged there other than a gallon is about 2.5 L?) broth. Least


A US gallon is 3.75L, but thanks for having a bash at the metrics :-)


Grin, thanks! I do better at the meats. That would be 2 chicken
carcasses of about 3lbs before denuding each and water to cover plus an
inch (one knuckle finger, like testing rice water). More bone is better!

espensive method is a slow cooker (called a crockpot here). A stand
alone unit that plugs into an outlet, normally with a removable
'crock' of thick ceramic. You'll go broke doing it on the stove top
but in this slow cooker, cost very little in electrics and the
result is actually better.


I have access to a stockpot, although the more common name over here
is slow cooker, and I do use them occasionally for making casseroles
while I'm at work


Humm, might be a different name. Peek at the picture I sent Jo? You
have them but the name varies. It could be your 'stockpot' is the
larger 22quart version that plugs to the wall instead of on the stove.
Such name doesnt translate well to us poor little cousins on the other
side of the water.


I was pressed for time last Xmas and only had pork broth handy and
needed chicken. I got some from the store. Man, it was nasty salty
water with no flavor. It was like they tried to make a liter of
broth with 50 G of bones then salted it up.

BTW, if it gels in the fridge, you did it right. If it doesnt, add
more bone to water next time and cook a bit longer.


I use a similar method when making pea and ham soup, so I know what
to expect with regards to the jelly like substance when simmering the
ham, the general rule is, if it sticks your lips together, it's
perfectly done.


LOL!

How do you get it into the dogs? - I could just mix it with her
regular food?


I feed it as a nooner nosh and never had a dog (or cat!) turn a nose up
yet. They get positivelty 'miffy' if we are late in fact. Feed it on
the side and watch what happens!


Took her out yesterday with the ball and she chased a few rabbits and
squirrels so it was a fairly active session and I didn't notice any
kind of discomfort with her afterwards, - she's been on 500mg a day
for 11 days and 2 days at 250mg, so I'll leave her on half a tab
(250mg) from now on but they seem to have started working already.


Thats good, keep with it. Adding more from your own kitchen leftovers
will not hurt and might replace some of that added pill. Since i am
using normal leftovers, this costs nothing on my end to add to their
diet.

Can get bones for free from a local butcher so it'll probably be a
mixture of beef and pork broth. No chance of getting chicken
carcases as over here, it's mostly big supermarkets that really sell
much chicken and they won't part with anything unless it's
astronomically priced


Hehe Beef and pork work just as well!


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Old July 7th 12, 12:56 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
cshenk
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Jo Wolf wrote in rec.pets.dogs.health:

A stock pot is just a large, tall kettle.... no heating element, used
on a stove top. Often used for making broth, stock and soups.
Crock-Pot is the brand name of the original slow cooker, which does
have it's own heating element.... now a number of brands are
available....

The broth or gel from the fridge will be no problem for most dogs.
Slurp and it's gone, but it certainly can be put on/in the food.

Happy cooking!

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia, USA


LOL, sorry but that's USA/Canada terms. It's not quite the name in
some other parts of the world.

Sometimes I wish i had not traveled enough to know little detailes like
that. Would have been nicer to watch my little girl grow up instead.

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Old July 19th 12, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by sighthounds & siberians View Post
On Tue, 5 Jun 2012 19:53:06 +0100, "Phil L"
wrote:

border collie 7 years old.
she's a very active dog who likes to excercise all the time, that is to say,
she's never still, she's always running.
Recently I've noticed she's carrying one or other of her hind legs after a
vigourous work out, although she doesn't sit or lie down even after
strenuous excercise, she's started sort of shifting weight from one to
another like humans do - resting one at a time.

would fish oils like codliver oil, salmon oil etc do her any good? - I used
to give her fish regularly but we are suffering a recession and everything
is overpriced now.

Also no lectures on diet, etc, I've been around here long enough to know
everyone's views on all sides of numerous fences, I just want to know if
anyone has had any luck with supplements or any other joint related
remedies, I myself take glucosamine sulphate, which I resorted to after
umpteen visits to the doctor who prescribed a variety of things that didn't
wotk, thus I am reluctant to visit the vet, get charged 500 over the next
month and be left with a dog with joint discomfort.
The glucosamine sulphate works perfectly and has no side effects given that
it's made from shellfish, but are dogs tolerant of it?


Fish oil is good for dogs and yes, you can give your dog human
glucosamine/chondroitin supplements. It's actually cheaper to do that
- the 'special' formulations for dogs are the same thing but for much
more $$.
Ok thats fine, but tell me that in what form the olive oil is given to the dogs.
Is there some capsules or injection or in raw?
If raw is given, then how?
My pommy is shedding and feeling dandruff on body. Is olive a choice?
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Old July 19th 12, 04:08 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
sighthounds & siberians
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:03:17 +0000, Askew
wrote:


Sorry if posting in a wrong section. Actually, one of my siberian husky
is
not feeling well. I'm sure he got a tumour on rare left leg and feeling

irritation. Because pain, he got angry and frustrated. I'm worried about
it.
What are suggestion!
Is any trusty vet here?


No one can diagnose your dog over the internet. Take your dog to the
vet if he's in pain.

 




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