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Help: Crate opinion wanted form people with 20+ years Breeding.
My family had an AKC Kennel when I was a boy (Schipperke's) ANYWAY, the
question is this, when I grew up no one (that we knew) boxed their dogs, or considered it. I'm not saying it's not a better way, but everything I've been able to find (info-wise) has been from people selling boxes, err. a crates, or people with less than 5 years & 5 dogs experience (kids). I'd like to hear from some of the old(er) folks out there that have had/trained/breed dogs longer than most of the people here w/opinions have been eating solid food. What was/is wrong with the OLD ways ? Or, is it more a matter of lets do it faster, & "I don't want the dernd' dog mussin' my stuff", As I recall we puppy proofed a room & let them "go for it". Then again, we's just simple counrty folk, we only trained horses, & dogs & kept a GC line, I doubt we REALLY knew anything.....But I diverge. Oh & Any impartial info (web address) on the subjust would be nice too. Javahead -- "Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatoos nunc" We gladly feast on those who would subdue us. Not just pretty words. |
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Javahead wrotes:
. What was/is wrong with the OLD ways ? Or, is it more a matter of lets do it faster, & "I don't want the dernd' dog mussin' my stuff", More people work full time away from the home these days. No longer is mom home all day with the kids and the dog. I also think safety has become more of a concern in general, but in this case, for the dogs. It's not just the damage a young dog can do to things, it's the damage a young dog can do to itself. As I recall we puppy proofed a room & let them "go for it". Who has a room they can afford to have trashed? Who wants to set bad habits of allowing elimination indoors? Who wants to clean that up? Who wants to exile a puppy in a room, instead of integrating them into the whole house? Then again, we's just simple counrty folk, we only trained horses, & dogs & kept a GC line, I doubt we REALLY knew anything.....But I diverge. If you were "country folk", it sounds like someone was HOME, working the land. That presence alone allows for a bit more flexibility in puppy raising. Janet Boss Best Friends Dog Obedience "Nice Manners for the Family Pet" Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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Javahead wrotes:
. What was/is wrong with the OLD ways ? Or, is it more a matter of lets do it faster, & "I don't want the dernd' dog mussin' my stuff", More people work full time away from the home these days. No longer is mom home all day with the kids and the dog. I also think safety has become more of a concern in general, but in this case, for the dogs. It's not just the damage a young dog can do to things, it's the damage a young dog can do to itself. As I recall we puppy proofed a room & let them "go for it". Who has a room they can afford to have trashed? Who wants to set bad habits of allowing elimination indoors? Who wants to clean that up? Who wants to exile a puppy in a room, instead of integrating them into the whole house? Then again, we's just simple counrty folk, we only trained horses, & dogs & kept a GC line, I doubt we REALLY knew anything.....But I diverge. If you were "country folk", it sounds like someone was HOME, working the land. That presence alone allows for a bit more flexibility in puppy raising. Janet Boss Best Friends Dog Obedience "Nice Manners for the Family Pet" Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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Javahead wrotes:
. What was/is wrong with the OLD ways ? Or, is it more a matter of lets do it faster, & "I don't want the dernd' dog mussin' my stuff", More people work full time away from the home these days. No longer is mom home all day with the kids and the dog. I also think safety has become more of a concern in general, but in this case, for the dogs. It's not just the damage a young dog can do to things, it's the damage a young dog can do to itself. As I recall we puppy proofed a room & let them "go for it". Who has a room they can afford to have trashed? Who wants to set bad habits of allowing elimination indoors? Who wants to clean that up? Who wants to exile a puppy in a room, instead of integrating them into the whole house? Then again, we's just simple counrty folk, we only trained horses, & dogs & kept a GC line, I doubt we REALLY knew anything.....But I diverge. If you were "country folk", it sounds like someone was HOME, working the land. That presence alone allows for a bit more flexibility in puppy raising. Janet Boss Best Friends Dog Obedience "Nice Manners for the Family Pet" Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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(J1Boss) wrote in
: Javahead wrotes: . What was/is wrong with the OLD ways ? Or, is it more a matter of lets do it faster, & "I don't want the dernd' dog mussin' my stuff", More people work full time away from the home these days. No longer is mom home all day with the kids and the dog. I also think safety has become more of a concern in general, but in this case, for the dogs. It's not just the damage a young dog can do to things, it's the damage a young dog can do to itself. This may be true, but I guess I feel, if you need to spend to much time away from your pet, you shouln't have one. Everyone need to decide for themselfs what "too much time is". As I recall we puppy proofed a room & let them "go for it". Who has a room they can afford to have trashed? Who wants to set bad habits of allowing elimination indoors? Who wants to clean that up? Who wants to exile a puppy in a room, instead of integrating them into the whole house? My Mistake, Paper training was the norm in those days, it did have problems, as does Crate training. Then again, we's just simple counrty folk, we only trained horses, & dogs & kept a GC line, I doubt we REALLY knew anything.....But I diverge. If you were "country folk", it sounds like someone was HOME, working the land. That presence alone allows for a bit more flexibility in puppy raising. Yes, then, as now for us, someone is ALWAYS home. Thank you for your prompt and thought provoking ideas & comments. Janet Boss Best Friends Dog Obedience "Nice Manners for the Family Pet" Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com Javahead -- "Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatoos nunc" We gladly feast on those who would subdue us. Not just pretty words. |
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(J1Boss) wrote in
: Javahead wrotes: . What was/is wrong with the OLD ways ? Or, is it more a matter of lets do it faster, & "I don't want the dernd' dog mussin' my stuff", More people work full time away from the home these days. No longer is mom home all day with the kids and the dog. I also think safety has become more of a concern in general, but in this case, for the dogs. It's not just the damage a young dog can do to things, it's the damage a young dog can do to itself. This may be true, but I guess I feel, if you need to spend to much time away from your pet, you shouln't have one. Everyone need to decide for themselfs what "too much time is". As I recall we puppy proofed a room & let them "go for it". Who has a room they can afford to have trashed? Who wants to set bad habits of allowing elimination indoors? Who wants to clean that up? Who wants to exile a puppy in a room, instead of integrating them into the whole house? My Mistake, Paper training was the norm in those days, it did have problems, as does Crate training. Then again, we's just simple counrty folk, we only trained horses, & dogs & kept a GC line, I doubt we REALLY knew anything.....But I diverge. If you were "country folk", it sounds like someone was HOME, working the land. That presence alone allows for a bit more flexibility in puppy raising. Yes, then, as now for us, someone is ALWAYS home. Thank you for your prompt and thought provoking ideas & comments. Janet Boss Best Friends Dog Obedience "Nice Manners for the Family Pet" Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com Javahead -- "Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatoos nunc" We gladly feast on those who would subdue us. Not just pretty words. |
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Hey Javahead -
I confess that I am not over the age you seem to have set for your bar, but I do come from a long line of animal folks, of both the companion and wild animal variety. Regardless, I just want to point out that any tool or method can be used for good or for evil in the right wrong hands. I think that there are *definitely* people out there that use the crate as an excuse to leave their poor dog alone for hours upon hours, but there are also people out there that leave their dogs outside without shelter in all weather, there are people that whack their dogs, there are people that can turn any tool or method into a means to create hurt or excuses for neglect. Heck, there are even people who can turn a newsgroup into a means to attack, let alone, say, some of the training collars out there and some of the systems that almost (and sometimes more than almost) encourage hurting the animals. The same is true of pretty much any teaching or training tool for pretty much any species. I had a teacher that could turn any classroom object into a paddle, and I had other teachers that could turn almost any classroom situation into a learning experience in a good way. People who care enough to explore all the available tools and methods throughout their careers or lives, educate themselves about methods and equipment, and talk to other people to establish good ways to use those items, are generally using those things in good ways. People that read three pages of a housetraining book in the bookstore and run out and get a crate and a puppy from a pet store probably are doing more harm than good. It's all in the user, IMHO, not the equipment. As the cliche goes, a master carpenter never complains about his tools. katie www.katiek9.com |
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Hey Javahead -
I confess that I am not over the age you seem to have set for your bar, but I do come from a long line of animal folks, of both the companion and wild animal variety. Regardless, I just want to point out that any tool or method can be used for good or for evil in the right wrong hands. I think that there are *definitely* people out there that use the crate as an excuse to leave their poor dog alone for hours upon hours, but there are also people out there that leave their dogs outside without shelter in all weather, there are people that whack their dogs, there are people that can turn any tool or method into a means to create hurt or excuses for neglect. Heck, there are even people who can turn a newsgroup into a means to attack, let alone, say, some of the training collars out there and some of the systems that almost (and sometimes more than almost) encourage hurting the animals. The same is true of pretty much any teaching or training tool for pretty much any species. I had a teacher that could turn any classroom object into a paddle, and I had other teachers that could turn almost any classroom situation into a learning experience in a good way. People who care enough to explore all the available tools and methods throughout their careers or lives, educate themselves about methods and equipment, and talk to other people to establish good ways to use those items, are generally using those things in good ways. People that read three pages of a housetraining book in the bookstore and run out and get a crate and a puppy from a pet store probably are doing more harm than good. It's all in the user, IMHO, not the equipment. As the cliche goes, a master carpenter never complains about his tools. katie www.katiek9.com |
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Hey Javahead -
I confess that I am not over the age you seem to have set for your bar, but I do come from a long line of animal folks, of both the companion and wild animal variety. Regardless, I just want to point out that any tool or method can be used for good or for evil in the right wrong hands. I think that there are *definitely* people out there that use the crate as an excuse to leave their poor dog alone for hours upon hours, but there are also people out there that leave their dogs outside without shelter in all weather, there are people that whack their dogs, there are people that can turn any tool or method into a means to create hurt or excuses for neglect. Heck, there are even people who can turn a newsgroup into a means to attack, let alone, say, some of the training collars out there and some of the systems that almost (and sometimes more than almost) encourage hurting the animals. The same is true of pretty much any teaching or training tool for pretty much any species. I had a teacher that could turn any classroom object into a paddle, and I had other teachers that could turn almost any classroom situation into a learning experience in a good way. People who care enough to explore all the available tools and methods throughout their careers or lives, educate themselves about methods and equipment, and talk to other people to establish good ways to use those items, are generally using those things in good ways. People that read three pages of a housetraining book in the bookstore and run out and get a crate and a puppy from a pet store probably are doing more harm than good. It's all in the user, IMHO, not the equipment. As the cliche goes, a master carpenter never complains about his tools. katie www.katiek9.com |
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