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WARNING...
There are selfish breeders who will not allow you to enter the
bloodline. You mention that you want a show puppy, Elizabeth Lane of Fort Worth Texas, immediately trys to sell you the 8th or 9th pick from a litter. If you tell her that you want to breed a female that you have. She immediately states that she only breed champions. How do you get started in a breed (Ridgebacks) if EVERY WAY she blocks your entry! How? Is there a web site where you can report such unethical behavior? Lance |
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On 12 Oct 2004 08:57:05 -0700 rocknrollover.com whittled these words:
There are selfish breeders who will not allow you to enter the bloodline. There are also responsible breeders who are careful about their puppy placements. A responsible breeder will sell a breeding prospect only to someone who has established that they will act in the best interests of the dogs and of the breed. You mention that you want a show puppy, Elizabeth Lane of Fort Worth Texas, immediately trys to sell you the 8th or 9th pick from a litter. If you tell her that you want to breed a female that you have. She immediately states that she only breed champions. Well good for her. She is exercising good sense in choosing to sell only to those who will be a credit to her lines. How do you get started in a breed (Ridgebacks) if EVERY WAY she blocks your entry! You start by proving yourself. You establish that you are a concerned and responsible owner of the breed first. You get involved in rescue, you get involved in contributing to the health registries. You take seminars and classes on conformation, movement, structure and the history of the breed. You gain experience and knowledge about the various lines, about what it takes to responsibly place a puppy, about what it takes to improve genetic health and temperament. When your actual behavior demonstrates openness to learning, concern about the welfare of the the dog, and dedication to the improved fitness of the breed, then you might be considered to be an acceptable placement for a pick puppy. Is there a web site where you can report such unethical behavior? It is completely ethical to be choosey about whom you sell a puppy to. The least ethical part of the story is that it sounds like the breeder was willing to sell 8th or 9th pick even without believing the proposed breeding would be a credit to her lines. However, given that the story is from your perspective, not hers, my guess is that it wasn't that way at all. -- Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/ |
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On 12 Oct 2004 16:49:57 GMT Marcel Beaudoin whittled these words:
How do you get started in a breed (Ridgebacks) if EVERY WAY she blocks your entry! The first thing to do would be to take your female, enter her in dog shows, and get her awarded a championship. Voila, you will then be able to breed her to the male that you wanted. Well, no. A responsible breeder won't stud out just because the bitch has her championship. If the bitch owner isn't concerned about health testing, is careless of puppy placement or any other number of factors showing lack of concern for the welfare of the breed then the championship of the bitch is pretty much irrelevant. 1 - Take your female. 2 - Enter her in dog shows. (Note the use of the plural form of Dog Show, indicating that more than one is necessary) 2a - Get her health tested. OFA, common genetic problems in Ridgebacks, other common health problems for large dogs. 3 - Win Dog shows. 4 - Count points. 5 - Obtain Championship. 6 - Determine how your stud would compliment the bitch(es) you would like to breed him to. 7 - Call breeder with bitch available. 8 - Explain to the breeder your breeding practices. Send pictures and, ideally, a video showing your dog move. Send health certifications, proof of registration (Does this exist, I am not sure??). Explain to the breeer how your dog will compliment and improve her line. That list barely scratches the surface of the responsible breeder. What about temperament testing? What about testing whether the dog has the basic instincts or behaviors characteristic of the breed? What about knowledge enough to support and mentor puppy buyers? What about contributing to the welfare of the breed by participating in health and genetics studies? There is a lot to contributing to the welfare of the breed and even what I've added is but a partial list. -- Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/ |
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rocknrollover.com wrote:
You mention that you want a show puppy, Elizabeth Lane of Fort Worth Texas, immediately trys to sell you the 8th or 9th pick from a litter. :-) So how exactly how many people is she trying to sell the 8th and 9th show picks to? How do you get started in a breed (Ridgebacks) if EVERY WAY she blocks your entry! Well, first you place that Dachshund puppy you've been trying to sell through these newsgroups for months now. Next, among the four breeds you've been advertising (Boston Terriers, Miniature Dachshunds, Italian Greyhounds and Rhodesian Ridgebacks) you decide which of the four you want to concentrate on. Spay and neuter all your pet-quality dogs and develop a relationship with a good, responsible breeder who is willing to sell you a good bitch on a co-ownership and mentor you. It's pretty simple, really. Oh yes - it also wouldn't hurt to remove all the copyrighted material you've posted without attribution on your web site, and also statements like these: "Rock-n-rollover Kennel is open Monday thru Saturday, 9:00 am until 9:00 pm US CST. Puppies here, Puppies there, Puppies everywhere. Click through and check out our Boston Terrier Puppies." That just basically screams "puppy mill", know what I mean? Is there a web site where you can report such unethical behavior? It's not unethical behavior. To the contrary, from what you've posted it sounds like she may well be a very ethical breeder. JFWIW, Dianne |
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"rocknrollover.com" wrote in message om... There are selfish breeders who will not allow you to enter the bloodline. Wow, thanks for the warning. Imagine that, breeders concerned about their lines falling into the hands of worthless puppy peddlers who just breed for cash! Shameful! You mention that you want a show puppy, Elizabeth Lane of Fort Worth Texas, immediately trys to sell you the 8th or 9th pick from a litter. She sounds awful, trying to take advantage of someone who is completely clueless about what show quality means by passing off a pet quality puppy... oh, wait, that's YOU. If you tell her that you want to breed a female that you have. She immediately states that she only breed champions. For shame, requiring that a breeder PROVE their dogs to be breeding quality through conformation shows! I bet she asks for health testing too, what a selfish woman! Doesn't she realize she's required to let her males breed to anyone off the street who wants to sell pets for cash!?! How do you get started in a breed (Ridgebacks) if EVERY WAY she blocks your entry! Beats me. How? I told you, I don't know! I mean, if I wanted to start in a breed, I'd acquire a pet quality puppy from a responsible breeder, show that puppy in agility, obedience, and whatever else was available for that breed, and title that puppy. While I was doing that, I'd be researching lines, meeting breed competitors, attending conformation shows to watch and put my hands on as many dogs as I could to learn about structure etc. I'd join the breed club or a local chapter, find a mentor, learn all that I could about the breed, and make myself known to the breed people as a serious student of the breed. Then after a few years hopefully one of these breeders or my mentor would consider co-owning a show prospect puppy with me, which I would then show, title, and do health testing on before *considering* the breeding potential. Then again, you can always just buy two dogs and breed 'em. That is, if you're a puppymilling scum sucking pig who is just out for a buck. You choose! Is there a web site where you can report such unethical behavior? Lance Unethical behavior, like, I don't know, copyright infringement? That's the only reportable lack of ethics I've seen here... you can't report a puppy peddler trying to sell puppies via newsgroups to anyone. Ain't that a shame? Christy |
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wrote in message ... That list barely scratches the surface of the responsible breeder. What about temperament testing? What about testing whether the dog has the basic instincts or behaviors characteristic of the breed? What about knowledge enough to support and mentor puppy buyers? What about contributing to the welfare of the breed by participating in health and genetics studies? There is a lot to contributing to the welfare of the breed and even what I've added is but a partial list. Hey, give Marcel a break - he isn't a breeder, but he knows a bazillion things more than this puppy peddler, even if he didn't cover everything. He's learned an awful lot just by participating in discussions on the groups. Some folks are educable, but this rollover guy doesn't appear to be one of them... Christy |
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In article rVgbd.533$jW1.291@trnddc02,
Christy wrote: He's learned an awful lot just by participating in discussions on the groups. My preference is to get stuff from the horse's (or in this case, expert's) mouth. I also don't post advice when I know there are people participating who have a lot more knowledge than I do and who I can count on to contribute to the thread, but each to his own, I guess. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - 73% of economists polled by "The Economist" magazine rate Bush's first-term economic policies as "bad" or "very bad." |
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... My preference is to get stuff from the horse's (or in this case, expert's) mouth. I also don't post advice when I know there are people participating who have a lot more knowledge than I do and who I can count on to contribute to the thread, but each to his own, I guess. Fair enough. I just appreciate that Marcel has displayed the ability to learn from the various discussions, whereas the puppypeddler has indicated none such ability, regardless of the quality of feedback he has received. Christy |
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On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:07:14 GMT Christy whittled these words:
Fair enough. I just appreciate that Marcel has displayed the ability to learn from the various discussions, whereas the puppypeddler has indicated none such ability, regardless of the quality of feedback he has received. I do too. The reason I felt the need to respond was that at least parts of it appeared to be a closed response i.e. he forgot the "this is a partial list that barely scratches the surface" caveat ... that's all. -- Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/ |
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