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Scariest LOOKING breeds, public perception?
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wrote in oups.com: Paul E. Schoen wrote: Now I will see what I need to do in order to give him more exercise and supervised play time. My options include a 4' high 100' x 50' field fence, or an electric radio fence. I also have a 50' aerial cable run I might install. Paul and the MuttMeister Just to throw this one out there, but my 72 lb mutt can clear a 4 foot fence completely. Heh. My 45-lb, 22", 10-yr old ACD has been clearing my 4' fence for 9 years now. The bigger, younger Lab has never even considered jumping the fence. He goes out on a tie-out inside the fence that gives him access to about 90% of the yard, but isn't long enough to let him hop the fence and get hung up. That's for pottying and gentle playtime. |
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Mary Healey wrote:
Heh. My 45-lb, 22", 10-yr old ACD has been clearing my 4' fence for 9 years now. The bigger, younger Lab has never even considered jumping the fence. He goes out on a tie-out inside the fence that gives him access to about 90% of the yard, but isn't long enough to let him hop the fence and get hung up. That's for pottying and gentle playtime. My 48lb Boxer can *easily* clear a 4' fence. She won't, unless it's to get to me. My previous dog (~60lbs) would have never considered going over the fence. Right through it? Sure. He was half bulldozer. (Seriously. I watched him hit--and break!--a section of welded wire fencing.) And if the fence couldn't be meatheaded through, he'd use his handy dandy bucket attachment to dig under it. -- Shelly (Warning: see label for details) http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) |
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"Tara" wrote in message 4.196... "pfoley" wrote in nk.net: That way yes; my dog grumbles all the time when she plays with other dogs, but she hardly ever barks. That's why I said "verbal (as opposed to vocal)" To me, a dog being verbal= rumblings and noises while vocalizing= barking. But being verbal *would* hint that a dog would certainly growl or give some auditory indication before an attack....unless its been corrected out of them, which unfortunately many Rotti owners do. Tara ============ Ok, I guess then you would say these dogs are verbal then; but not vocal. Yes, I have heard warning growls from both of these dogs in certain situations; more from my other Rottie. This Rottweiler I have now does do a low rumbling noise, as you stated, when playing with other dogs; harmless. The only time either dog barked was to call me for some reason and that would be one loud woof. No one ever trained these dogs not to bark; that is just the way they are, and that is the way I like it. I don't like yappy dogs. |
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"Rocky" wrote in message ... "pfoley" said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds: regarding Message-ID: Had there been some content in your message, I surely would have spotted it, however, as usual not much there to read. Why did you respond to it agreeably, then? -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. ========== Unlike you, I try to be polite and respond to messages in a kindly manner. Since your response to my message was rude and sarcastic, it makes me ask myself the question, what type of a person derives pleasure from making derogatory remarks to someone who has said nothing mean or hurtful to them. It boggles my mind how so many of this particular type, congregate on this newsgroup. |
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Mary Healey wrote in
.4: Paul E. Schoen wrote: Now I will see what I need to do in order to give him more exercise and supervised play time. My options include a 4' high 100' x 50' field fence, or an electric radio fence. I also have a 50' aerial cable run I might install. Paul and the MuttMeister Just to throw this one out there, but my 72 lb mutt can clear a 4 foot fence completely. Heh. My 45-lb, 22", 10-yr old ACD has been clearing my 4' fence for 9 years now. The bigger, younger Lab has never even considered jumping the fence. I wouldn't put any dog out with only a four foot high fence without supervision. I think my mini poodle could jump a four footer if he really wanted to. We have a five foot fence and still keep an eye out. Good thing since Molly decided last week to go visit the neighbor kids who got a new play structure for Christmas. You know the big wood looking things with forts at the top and a slide and usually a swing or two? They got one of those tall enough to look over our fence from their fort and talk to us and the dogs. Molly has been wanting to check that out ever since. She ended up dragging a plastic chair from the porch to the fence and was working on how to use it to get over when I interruped the process. I know I'm mean, but she's just going to have to chat with the neighbor boy from our yard. In the case of a big dog that has attacked dogs and bitten a person, under any circumstances, I would never ever trust them with a four foot fence without a leash or tie out. No court is going to think that was reasonable care to protect other dogs and people should something unfortunate happen. Aside from the court's perception, how can you live with yourself when you could have prevented a tragedy with a couple of feet more fence or a tie out? Paula |
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On Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:35:34 GMT, Paula ,
clicked their heels and said: I wouldn't put any dog out with only a four foot high fence without supervision. I have a 4 foot fence. I supervise to some extent, but not 100%. My dogs COULD go over it, but do not show any inclination to do so, and none ever have. More of a concern is the bottom of the fence, that has no wire or rail, and flexes too easily due to erosion and such. The bunnies use it for their escape, but in the right places, a dog could as well. We have a five foot fence and still keep an eye out. More often than not, I'm out with them or watching from a door or window. In the case of a big dog that has attacked dogs and bitten a person, under any circumstances, I would never ever trust them with a four foot fence without a leash or tie out. Me neither, particularly a chain link or worse yet, a flimsier wire fence. Nothing to get a foothold (and it seems from early postings, that this dog got out of a kennel run?). 6' stockade would be my choice, with barricades at the base. But that ain't cheap. No court is going to think that was reasonable care to protect other dogs and people should something unfortunate happen. Aside from the court's perception, how can you live with yourself when you could have prevented a tragedy with a couple of feet more fence or a tie out? Indeed. -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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"Suja" wrote in
: "Paula" wrote in message: I wouldn't put any dog out with only a four foot high fence without supervision. Paula, meet Khan. The only "fence" he's ever jumped was about a foot tall. You could put 10 pounds of steak (or a live fox) on the other side of the fence, and he is just not going to put enough effort to jump over. Go through? Maybe. Over? Not a chance. Finn was the same way. When he was a puppy, all I had to do was *lean* the broken, small, cheap puppy gate I had against the door frame. I could have knocked it over by walking by it too fast. But there he'd be when I got home, napping riiiiight on the other side, positioned "just so" in order not to touch it. I still miss that big hunka burning lug. Tara |
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"Paula" wrote in message: I wouldn't put any dog out with only a four foot high fence without supervision. Paula, meet Khan. The only "fence" he's ever jumped was about a foot tall. You could put 10 pounds of steak (or a live fox) on the other side of the fence, and he is just not going to put enough effort to jump over. Go through? Maybe. Over? Not a chance. Suja |
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on Fri, 05 Jan 2007 00:29:44 GMT, Tara wrote:
Finn was the same way. When he was a puppy, all I had to do was *lean* the broken, small, cheap puppy gate I had against the door frame. I could have knocked it over by walking by it too fast. But there he'd be when I got home, napping riiiiight on the other side, positioned "just so" in order not to touch it. I can do you one better. Izzy, my Sheltie won't even go into a room that previously had a baby gate up but doesn't anymore, not without an invitation. OTOH, Roxy has been jumping stuff since about the 2nd or 3rd day after we brought her home. Baby gates and Xpens were her specialty. I have seen her clear 4 foot fences with ease (impressive, I think, for her size), but she has never tried to jump the 4' chain link fence in our yard. Of course she's only ever out there alone very briefly to eliminate. -- Lynne http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/ "First get your facts; then you may distort them at your leisure." -- Mark Twain |
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"Tara" wrote in message Finn was the same way. When he was a puppy, all I had to do was *lean* the broken, small, cheap puppy gate I had against the door frame. Someone I know has a GSD that won't cross anything he perceives as a barrier. One day, she couldn't find her dog, and searching all over the house, finally found him in one of the bedrooms, looking utterly pitiful. He was being held hostage by the cord of the vacuum cleaner, which hadn't been put away after use. Suja |
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