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Do cops have something against dogs?
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"Bill Graham" wrote: jigo wrote: deadrat wrote: On 2/19/13 8:17 PM, Bill Graham wrote: Mike F. wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 18:19:45 -0800, Bill Graham wrote: Makes me really want to join up and go to Afghanistan..... Instead, I think I'll throw up and go to any other country..... Would you like help packing? I understand Scandinavia countries are mostly socialist. You should fit in well. Where did you get the idea that I am a socialist? Your posts. I am about as libertarian as you can get. I make John Stossel look like Karl Marx... You play the part of a libertarian on usenet. I don't, "play". Everything I post is my real opinion, and I never lie. Your accusation seems rather bizarre; why would a socialist post pro-libertarian material? I remember that "love it or leave it" BS from the Vietnam days. Aside from its other fallacies, why should people who oppose oppressive government policies be the ones who should leave? I obtained my property by working and paying for it, and I don't try to tell people what to do outside my property. The government obtained its control of the area by seizing it with force and massacring the native population. Look up the "Trail of Tears" for example. Pres. Jackson ignored the Supreme Court decision and forcibly drove the Cherokee from their land. http://www.cherokee.org/AboutTheNati...s/Default.aspx Tha5t's true, and I would love to go back to that time and undo whqat he did. but I wouldn;t fix it by giving them anything. I would fix it by making them citizens and telling them that they were going to have to accept our society and make it their own. And today, there is no way to fixit by any other means either. You can't fix it by making me, whose great grandfather was responiible, give something to their great grandchildren who were never harmed because they hadn't been born yte. but I have to live in this crazy, liberal, screwed up society, that has no logic.... Jackson himself enjoyed widespread support that ranged across all classes and sections of the country. He attracted farmers, mechanics, laborers, professionals and even businessmen. And all this without Jackson being clearly pro- or antilabor, pro- or antibusiness, pro- or antilower, middle or upper class. It has been demonstrated that he was a strikebreaker [Jackson sent troops to control rebellions workers on the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal], yet at different times ... he and the Democrats received the backing of organized labor. It was the new politics of ambiguity‹speaking for the lower and middle classes to get their support in times of rapid growth and potential turmoil. The two-party system came into its own in this time. To give people a choice between two different parties and allow them, in a period of rebellion, to choose the slightly more democratic one was an ingenious mode of control. Like so much in the American system, it was not devilishly contrived by some master plotters; it developed naturally out of the needs of the situation. Remini compares the Jacksonian Democrat Martin Van Buren, who succeeded Jackson as President, with the Austrian conservative statesman Metternich: "Like Metternich, who was seeking to thwart revolutionary discontent in Europe. Van Buren and similar politicians were attempting to banish political disorder from the United States by a balance of power achieved through two well- organized and active parties." The Jacksonian idea was to achieve stability and control by winning to the Democratic party "the middling interest, and especially . .. the sub- stantial yeomanry of the country" by "prudent, judicious, well-considered reform." That is, reform that would not yield too much. These were the words of Robert Rantoul, a reformer, corporation lawyer, and Jacksonian Democrat. It was a forecast of the successful appeal of the Democratic party‹and at times the Republican party‹in the twentieth century. A People's History of the United States: 1492-Present by Howard Zinn http://www.amazon.com/Peoples-Histor...resent/dp/B004 HZ6XWS/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1301948477&sr=1-4 (Available at a library near you, until it is closed.) p. 217 -18 -- Welcome to the New America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA736oK9FPg or E Pluribus Unum Next time vote Green Party |
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