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In article .com,
wrote: No it is not! It would take a conspiracy larger than the Hill's - Colgate Palmolive fleecing of the public to alter the IP address headers of someone's NNTP posts. No, not really. It's possible (anything in a Usenet post can be forged with enough effort) but it's not as straightforward as changing a From: header, for example. Still, given a variety of explanations for the same thing the simplest one is the most likely. To my mind the most useful thing here has been finding out that Gaub works for Hills. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - George Bush's proposed budget will create $1.6 trillion in additional federal debt, compared to just tracking inflation, according to the CBO. |
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PawsForThought wrote:
Joe Canuck: Marshall Dermer wrote: In article . com " writes: Here are a couple more! Mar 10, 4:35 pm http://tinyurl.com/5wemz and another Mar 11, 10:51 am http://tinyurl.com/3ralu Thanks David. What could be said in Steve's defense? --Marshall That someone went to great lengths and trouble to set him up. Yes, it is possible. Oh please. You've been watching too many conspiracy theory movies. LMAO No, I'm a former computer guy with 30 years experience with a damn good idea of what is and isn't possible wrt computers. I know it is possible. What I'm *not* saying, that that *is* what took place here. Rather, I'm just pointing out possibilities. Because of one incident in which not all the facts are known, let us not paint Science-Diet as the wolf in the chicken coop. At this point, I'm not particulary a diehard fan of any pet food. I look at all the pet foods with some measure of reservation. I'd switch from the brand I'm currently using to something else in a heartbeat if it was proven beyond a doubt the food I'm feeding now is harmful or has deteriorated in quality. And, who is to say the food picked as a replacement is going to be any less harmful or of better quality. I get the impression that folks in this newsgroup are pretty much divided into two camps... pro and con Science-Diet. Thus the giddy exuberance displayed by some when someone appears to have uncovered something "scandalous" and can slam the other side. Big deal. It isn't about that for me. I'll feed what I am comfortable with and foremost what my cat appears to do well on. That, is the bottom-line. |
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In article ,
Joe Canuck wrote: What I'm *not* saying, that that *is* what took place here. Rather, I'm just pointing out possibilities. I suspect it's not possible to post everything that's possible. What a vexing problem. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - George Bush's proposed budget will create $1.6 trillion in additional federal debt, compared to just tracking inflation, according to the CBO. |
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 10:01:29 -0500, Joe Canuck
wrote: At this point, I'm not particulary a diehard fan of any pet food. I look at all the pet foods with some measure of reservation. I'd switch from the brand I'm currently using to something else in a heartbeat if it was proven beyond a doubt the food I'm feeding now is harmful or has deteriorated in quality. for some folks, it's a matter of not giving their money to a company that condones unprofessional, unethical behavior on the part of its employees. besides that, i don't do business with companies that engage in spamming. -- shelly http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette || http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com I am interested in ideas, not merely in visual products. -- Marcel Duchamp |
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In article Joe Canuck writes:
Marshall Dermer wrote: In article . com " writes: Here are a couple more! Mar 10, 4:35 pm http://tinyurl.com/5wemz and another Mar 11, 10:51 am http://tinyurl.com/3ralu Thanks David. What could be said in Steve's defense? --Marshall That someone went to great lengths and trouble to set him up. Yes, it is possible. I agree. Really shouldn't Steve and Gaubuster be speaking up? --Marshall |
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On 13 Mar 2005 15:31:40 GMT, (Marshall
Dermer) wrote: I agree. Really shouldn't Steve and Gaubuster be speaking up? to what purpose? -- shelly http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette || http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com One eye sees, the other feels. -- Paul Klee |
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Shelly wrote:
On 13 Mar 2005 08:30:44 -0500, (Melinda Shore) wrote: Still, given a variety of explanations for the same thing the simplest one is the most likely. To my mind the most useful thing here has been finding out that Gaub works for Hills. i tend to think that the most useful thing learned is that the postings came from Hill's, regardless of whether Gaubster and Steve are one or two entities. i've complained to them in the past about Steve (no way i'm going to support a company whose employees act like asshats while wearing the company's gang colors), but since those posts didn't originate from the Hill's HiveMind, there really wasn't a lot they could do. *this* is different. that these new posts were made using Hill's resources makes Hill's responsible. i can't fathom a company as large as Hill's condoning such unprofessional behavior. Oh I don't know. If it helps sell more food, I think they could very easily turn a blind eye to what Steve Crane aka Gaubster does. -- PawsForThought |
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Joe Canuck:
PawsForThought wrote: Joe Canuck: Marshall Dermer wrote: In article . com " writes: Here are a couple more! Mar 10, 4:35 pm http://tinyurl.com/5wemz and another Mar 11, 10:51 am http://tinyurl.com/3ralu Thanks David. What could be said in Steve's defense? --Marshall That someone went to great lengths and trouble to set him up. Yes, it is possible. Oh please. You've been watching too many conspiracy theory movies. LMAO No, I'm a former computer guy with 30 years experience with a damn good idea of what is and isn't possible wrt computers. I know it is possible. What I'm *not* saying, that that *is* what took place here. Rather, I'm just pointing out possibilities. Because of one incident in which not all the facts are known, let us not paint Science-Diet as the wolf in the chicken coop. At this point, I'm not particulary a diehard fan of any pet food. I look at all the pet foods with some measure of reservation. I'd switch from the brand I'm currently using to something else in a heartbeat if it was proven beyond a doubt the food I'm feeding now is harmful or has deteriorated in quality. And, who is to say the food picked as a replacement is going to be any less harmful or of better quality. I get the impression that folks in this newsgroup are pretty much divided into two camps... pro and con Science-Diet. Thus the giddy exuberance displayed by some when someone appears to have uncovered something "scandalous" and can slam the other side. Big deal. It isn't about that for me. I'll feed what I am comfortable with and foremost what my cat appears to do well on. That, is the bottom-line. I don't feed any commercial food so I really don't care one way or the other what someone feeds. I think if any company were to behave like Steve Crane aka Gaubster, I would be against that company's practices and wouldn't support them. Although computer hardware is more my forte than programming, I find it particularly hard to believe that someone could actually change the IP headers to reflect that both Steve Crane & Gaubster are both posting from Hill's and I believe there is a strong probability that they are one in the same person. I always wondered why Gaubster has harassed me for the past couple of years and his extremely unnatural defense of Hill's products, and his continual denials that he did not work for Hill's. I find it so ironic that he has always called me a liar because I stated that my previous cats did so poorly on Hill's Science Diet food, a fact that he just could not take. He subsequently flipped out like a rapid animal. Now his behavior all makes sense. Funny, him calling me the liar. I don't care if Steve Crane and Gaubster aren't one in the same. But the fact that they both have lied here for years gives them zero credibility in my eyes. -- PawsForThought |
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:00:42 -0500, "PawsForThought"
wrote: Oh I don't know. If it helps sell more food, I think they could very easily turn a blind eye to what Steve Crane aka Gaubster does. obviously, they do turn a blind eye, as past complaints have not had any impact on Stevester's behavior. it seems clear to me that Hill's is complicit. -- shelly http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette || http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com Color is the place where our brain and the universe meet. -- Paul Klee |
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