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Old March 30th 09, 07:01 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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In article ,
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
She goes on to say that anything that's a carb is something that dogs
don't need. She ought to tell that to my old husky with kidney
disease.


Yeah, and even a healthy dog needs carbohydrates. I
continue to believe that there's a link between carbs being
a primary energy source for the human brain and Chard's, uh,
"situation."

I think she might be as smart as the guy who gave us his greyhound
this weekend.


Oh, dear. Is this the same guy you mentioned in an earlier
post?
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Old March 30th 09, 07:10 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Dogs shouldn't have breadcrumbs or any kind of flour. It's not something
they would naturally eat.


Oh, please. You still can't tell the difference between
"would eat" and "would find in the 'wild'," whatever the
hell is meant by "wild" in the context of domestic animals.
A dog will eat pretty much anything. Whether or not they'd
encounter it in entirely artificial, fabricated situations
is another matter.


A dog will eat chocolate, grapes and onions given the chance. What's
your point?

A dog's digestive system was designed to eat meat, from their teeth on
back to the digestive juices, on down to the short intestines. Their
bodies aren't designed to eat flour and breadcrumbs.

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Old March 30th 09, 07:13 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
She goes on to say that anything that's a carb is something that dogs
don't need. She ought to tell that to my old husky with kidney
disease.


Yeah, and even a healthy dog needs carbohydrates.


If it eats carbs it's not healthy.
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Old March 30th 09, 07:19 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
A dog will eat chocolate, grapes and onions given the chance.


Right.

What's
your point?


That basing an argument about whether or not a diet is
healthy on whether or not it's something a dog would eat in
the "wild" (Yay for the feral Chihuahua!!!) is less than
particularly compelling.

Oh, and grapes and onions? Grow in the "wild." The actual
"wild," not the imagined fictitious "wild" where packs of
undomesticated Pekingese bring down moose and caribou.
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Old March 30th 09, 08:43 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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On Mar 30, 2:13*pm, chardonnay9 wrote:
Yeah, and even a healthy dog needs carbohydrates. *


If it eats carbs it's not healthy.


So what do you do if your dogs develop kidney disease? And don't tell
me that raw-fed dogs never get sick, because that's a big fat lie and
no one except you believes it. Do you just shoot them? Or do you
shoot them before they get old enough to develop kidney disease? Oh
wait, that's right, you don't actually have dogs.

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Old March 30th 09, 08:47 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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On Mar 30, 2:01*pm, (Melinda Shore) wrote:

I think she might be as smart as the guy who gave us his greyhound
this weekend.


Oh, dear. *Is this the same guy you mentioned in an earlier
post?


Yes, the same guy and the same dog. Dog is 10 1/2, thinner than any
dog I've seen straight off the track, loaded with fleas, saw the
Petsmart (not) vet for a bordatella vac (WTF??) a few months ago but
other than that no record of seeing a vet for years. Clearly the dog
spent a lot of time outside on that chain. I'm waiting to see if any
of our adopters/volunteers are interested in him. Because you know
how many people are lining up for a 10 1/2 year-old dog.
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Old March 30th 09, 08:50 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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chardonnay9 wrote:

A dog's digestive system was designed to eat meat, from their teeth on
back to the digestive juices, on down to the short intestines. Their
bodies aren't designed to eat flour and breadcrumbs.


Domesticated dogs are a lot closer to being "designed" through
selective breeding to eat processed human food than their feral
ancestors evolved to eat. A chihuahua and a pug (for example)
are hardly "designed" to rip raw meat off the bones of a carcass;
their jaws and muscles don't have the shape/size/strength to gut
a deer or even a rabbit. (You should have seen my chi the time I
put a 2x2x1" chunk of raw steak on her plate. "What do you want
me to do with that? Aren't you going to cut it up?")

As the theory goes, ancestors of today's dogs who could survive
and flourish in the company of humans were able to eat humans'
left-overs and to spend less and less time hunting their own
prey. If selective breeding can severely distort the shape of a
jaw and skull in 20-30 generations, it should be able to tweak
the digestive process as well. And even without humans'
intervention of _selectively_ breeding dogs, it seems likely that
dogs who hung around humans and thrived on human scraps had a
selective advantage over dogs who lived in the proximity of
humans but did not tolerate human scraps - a difference in
digestion may have been selected for as part of that package.

FurPaw

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Old March 30th 09, 09:36 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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"chardonnay9" wrote in message
Yeah, and even a healthy dog needs carbohydrates.


If it eats carbs it's not healthy.


It's obvious you have never watched wolves, coyotes, or dog packs hunt and
kill in the wild. The first part of the kill that is eaten is the gut where
they get a variety of vegetable matter. Then they start on the meat and
bones.


 




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