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Anal Gland infection/UTI medication Q
My black lab had an anal sac infection two months back and the vet gave
her an anti-biotic infusion (filled anal sacs with A.B. cream), I don't know what kind--it was yellow, and oral A.B's. A month later she was still licking a lot and still had bad breath, so I took her back. A check of the sac fluid (what little had built up in that time) was the correct, yellow-ish color. But her awful breath convinced me that it was still there but the vet was not convinced and sent me home. Here we are a month later and she started to vigorously lick her butt so I took her back and sure enough the anal sac fluid was black again. He gave her a stronger A.B. infusion (don't know what kind, it was white) and said that if she's licking over the weekend he'd put her on Clavamox 375 mgs twice a day for 2 weeks, which she was, so I picked up the AB's yesterday. He suggested that sac removal may be down the road. I asked that he be very aggressive in his prescriptions b/c I don't want to have to have her anal sacs removed--removal can cause incontinence. She has spayed bitch syndrome and this leads me to believe that she could be prone to incontinence. Incontinence (for example, poop flies out everytime the dog coughs or sneezes) would be the end of her Therapy work and all the competitive sports we do. NTM I don't relish the idea of cleaning up after her everytime she sneezes or coughs for the next 10 years; and she's such a clean dog I'm sure it would make her miserable too. Then to top things off, yesterday at obedience she leaked urine. We were doing a drop on recall and when she got up from the down there was a puddle under her--she didn't seem to realize she did it. I took her out to pee, she did, and when we came back in she leaked again, this time while sitting. I took a sample to the vet to check for a UTI. They found no blood in the urine and had to send it out to check for the UTI (results in a day or two). She hasn't leaked since. I wonder if the infection from her anal glands, by licking, was spread to her urethra? Sound possible to anyone? And if so, the UTI must be pretty bad before the dog looses bladder control--any idea how long this takes? She showed absolutely no signs--she always marks a lot so that wasn't questioned, she was licking her vagina but I thought that was b/c of the anal gland infection. So my Q is, is he being aggressive enough with his prescriptions to kill an anal sac infection that was probably half killed two months ago and has since come back? I'm afraid that since he didn't kill it the first time that it may be resistant to A.B.'s Any guidance here? TIA -- Kristen & Kali CD, CGC, TDI, TT http://www.kristenandkali.com |
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Okay, I've never heard of it. What is spayed bitch syndrome?]
"Krishur" wrote in message ... My black lab had an anal sac infection two months back and the vet gave her an anti-biotic infusion (filled anal sacs with A.B. cream), I don't know what kind--it was yellow, and oral A.B's. A month later she was still licking a lot and still had bad breath, so I took her back. A check of the sac fluid (what little had built up in that time) was the correct, yellow-ish color. But her awful breath convinced me that it was still there but the vet was not convinced and sent me home. Here we are a month later and she started to vigorously lick her butt so I took her back and sure enough the anal sac fluid was black again. He gave her a stronger A.B. infusion (don't know what kind, it was white) and said that if she's licking over the weekend he'd put her on Clavamox 375 mgs twice a day for 2 weeks, which she was, so I picked up the AB's yesterday. He suggested that sac removal may be down the road. I asked that he be very aggressive in his prescriptions b/c I don't want to have to have her anal sacs removed--removal can cause incontinence. She has spayed bitch syndrome and this leads me to believe that she could be prone to incontinence. Incontinence (for example, poop flies out everytime the dog coughs or sneezes) would be the end of her Therapy work and all the competitive sports we do. NTM I don't relish the idea of cleaning up after her everytime she sneezes or coughs for the next 10 years; and she's such a clean dog I'm sure it would make her miserable too. Then to top things off, yesterday at obedience she leaked urine. We were doing a drop on recall and when she got up from the down there was a puddle under her--she didn't seem to realize she did it. I took her out to pee, she did, and when we came back in she leaked again, this time while sitting. I took a sample to the vet to check for a UTI. They found no blood in the urine and had to send it out to check for the UTI (results in a day or two). She hasn't leaked since. I wonder if the infection from her anal glands, by licking, was spread to her urethra? Sound possible to anyone? And if so, the UTI must be pretty bad before the dog looses bladder control--any idea how long this takes? She showed absolutely no signs--she always marks a lot so that wasn't questioned, she was licking her vagina but I thought that was b/c of the anal gland infection. So my Q is, is he being aggressive enough with his prescriptions to kill an anal sac infection that was probably half killed two months ago and has since come back? I'm afraid that since he didn't kill it the first time that it may be resistant to A.B.'s Any guidance here? TIA -- Kristen & Kali CD, CGC, TDI, TT http://www.kristenandkali.com |
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Why not take her to another Vet?
"Krishur" wrote in message ... My black lab had an anal sac infection two months back and the vet gave her an anti-biotic infusion (filled anal sacs with A.B. cream), I don't know what kind--it was yellow, and oral A.B's. A month later she was still licking a lot and still had bad breath, so I took her back. A check of the sac fluid (what little had built up in that time) was the correct, yellow-ish color. But her awful breath convinced me that it was still there but the vet was not convinced and sent me home. Here we are a month later and she started to vigorously lick her butt so I took her back and sure enough the anal sac fluid was black again. He gave her a stronger A.B. infusion (don't know what kind, it was white) and said that if she's licking over the weekend he'd put her on Clavamox 375 mgs twice a day for 2 weeks, which she was, so I picked up the AB's yesterday. He suggested that sac removal may be down the road. I asked that he be very aggressive in his prescriptions b/c I don't want to have to have her anal sacs removed--removal can cause incontinence. She has spayed bitch syndrome and this leads me to believe that she could be prone to incontinence. Incontinence (for example, poop flies out everytime the dog coughs or sneezes) would be the end of her Therapy work and all the competitive sports we do. NTM I don't relish the idea of cleaning up after her everytime she sneezes or coughs for the next 10 years; and she's such a clean dog I'm sure it would make her miserable too. Then to top things off, yesterday at obedience she leaked urine. We were doing a drop on recall and when she got up from the down there was a puddle under her--she didn't seem to realize she did it. I took her out to pee, she did, and when we came back in she leaked again, this time while sitting. I took a sample to the vet to check for a UTI. They found no blood in the urine and had to send it out to check for the UTI (results in a day or two). She hasn't leaked since. I wonder if the infection from her anal glands, by licking, was spread to her urethra? Sound possible to anyone? And if so, the UTI must be pretty bad before the dog looses bladder control--any idea how long this takes? She showed absolutely no signs--she always marks a lot so that wasn't questioned, she was licking her vagina but I thought that was b/c of the anal gland infection. So my Q is, is he being aggressive enough with his prescriptions to kill an anal sac infection that was probably half killed two months ago and has since come back? I'm afraid that since he didn't kill it the first time that it may be resistant to A.B.'s Any guidance here? TIA -- Kristen & Kali CD, CGC, TDI, TT http://www.kristenandkali.com |
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It's a weakening of the sphincter muscle on the bladder after being spayed.
The most obvious symptom (usually the only symptom) is the female leaks urine while sleeping. Usually it doesn't set in until later in life--but my girl developed it at two. It's treated w/DES (estrogen) but long term use had serious side effects. The other treatment is a daily dose of PPA (phenylproamine (sp?)). Kristen "C A Brown" wrote in message .. . Okay, I've never heard of it. What is spayed bitch syndrome?] "Krishur" wrote in message ... snip for brevity |
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Thank you. I'd only ever heard that referred to by a much more descriptive
term: estrogen dependent incontinence. "Krishur" wrote in message ... It's a weakening of the sphincter muscle on the bladder after being spayed. The most obvious symptom (usually the only symptom) is the female leaks urine while sleeping. Usually it doesn't set in until later in life--but my girl developed it at two. It's treated w/DES (estrogen) but long term use had serious side effects. The other treatment is a daily dose of PPA (phenylproamine (sp?)). Kristen "C A Brown" wrote in message .. . Okay, I've never heard of it. What is spayed bitch syndrome?] "Krishur" wrote in message ... snip for brevity |
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I've never heard that one, but that is more descriptive. I've also heard it
called spayed female incontinence. Both SBS and SFI are pretty redundant. Kristen "C A Brown" wrote in message .. . Thank you. I'd only ever heard that referred to by a much more descriptive term: estrogen dependent incontinence. "Krishur" wrote in message ... It's a weakening of the sphincter muscle on the bladder after being spayed. The most obvious symptom (usually the only symptom) is the female leaks urine while sleeping. Usually it doesn't set in until later in life--but my girl developed it at two. It's treated w/DES (estrogen) but long term use had serious side effects. The other treatment is a daily dose of PPA (phenylproamine (sp?)). Kristen "C A Brown" wrote in message .. . Okay, I've never heard of it. What is spayed bitch syndrome?] "Krishur" wrote in message ... snip for brevity |
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"Pennie" wrote in message
... "Krishur" said: A month later she was still licking a lot and still had bad breath, so I took her back. A check of the sac fluid (what little had built up in that time) was the correct, yellow-ish color. But her awful breath convinced me that it was still there but the vet was not convinced and sent me home. Here we are a month later and she started to vigorously lick her butt so I took her back and sure enough the anal sac fluid was black again. I guess my question to all of this is how do they know it's an infection? There are a lot of dogs who have to go to the vets to have their anal sacs expressed on a monthly (or more often) basis...but it doesn't mean they're infected, just full of fluid. I'm just wondering what type of testing was done to assure they're indeed is an infection and not just impacted. Here's a great page on anything you ever wanted to know about anal sacs: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_anal_sacs.html The anal sac fluid was black and not the normal yellowish color. Thanks for the link and advice. Kristen snip for brevity |
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