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Animal intelligence
According to biology human and animal nature are the same, so the
basis for human and animal intelligence ought to be the same too. Thinking means forming a correct picture of what the world is like. That is very much the job of the senses: if we know what things are like and where they are in the world, we know quite a lot. Seems that many dogs fail already at this phace: they concentrate on the muscle sensations, smells and social things instead at the organisation of the memory in a spatial way. That is propably a question of learning: I have been teaching my spitz puppy to use the sense of sight for organising sensory impressions in the mind and he seems to learn it easily. So it may be that the dogs' culture, what they copy from each other, isn't beneficial for objectivity while humans are nowadays so educated that we inevitably learn something of objectivity from just about anyone. But what about thinking then: thinking means observing how things are, so it is based on sure observations. The most sure observations are unaaltered sensations (NOT words!!!): this is like this and that is like that. We can use our senses to look at the pictures in our mind's eyes. For example we can notice that this sound appears at the same time as that seen object which is also socially connected to the sound, in other words we can learn to read a language which, like the Finnish language which is my mother tongue, is written exactly the way that it is pronounced. Is the any real reason to suppose that a dog or a rabbit or any other animal with keen senses cannot do the same if it wants to and has the chance of being taught friendlily and respectfully enough (it needs room for its intellectual self- confidence in the social relationship)? Now, this is a serious question and I would like to get really objective answers to it: can an animal connect things that happen at the same time? It can hear something and from the sound deduce what is happening - that is in its nature. It is quite likely that in its nature is also the other possibility: to see some traces and deduce based on them what has happened: the sound too and the meaning in that happening. So in theory an animal could learn to read. Is it only the education and the abundance of tools and the history of our species that separate us from the other animals? And no, I do not want any deductions about brain size (dolphins' brains are three time bigger than humans'): practical observations about animal behaviour and skills must come first! Science says that the practical observations are primary, the deductions get falsified if they do not agree with the first hand observations! I ask this partly because it seems that my own pets have learned to read Finnish: see www.YouTube.com/khtervola : playlists Intelligent Rabbits and My Puppy. Besides, this is a question of great importance: can we trust the human and animal nature which is the real base of all our functioning, or do we have to count on artificialities: What does the future look like for us?! |
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FurPaw wrote: discrimination learning. The latter is what you are attempting to teach your rabbits, to discriminate between two patterns of marks on paper. You'd have to do a lot more work to demonstrate that they are reading. Yes, that's what I am interested in: what do I exactly have to show in order to show that a rabbit can read? Or that a dog can? That is one reason that I bought a dog: it is much easier to get to obey commands, so it is easier to show what the dog can notice. But that of course demands good obedience. I am working on that... My rabbits will not obey a thing even though they sometimes do things to please me. I do not see any problem in a rabbit discriminating between the different letters: the wild rabbits can surely see the difference between a fox's paw print and that of a rabbit's front paw - otherwise they would not stay alive - even though it is much more slight a difference. I think that the problem here is that the most common ways to write are not phonetical. And Finland as a country is very small: no-one here dares to try things that others abroad have not gotten to work well first! Absurd. A stupid human can learn to read and write - why not an intelligent animal?! |
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Animal intelligence
" spoke these words
of wisdom in news:dab869fb-a90c-424a-ab32-f89c4d1ead91 @t66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: FurPaw wrote: discrimination learning. The latter is what you are attempting to teach your rabbits, to discriminate between two patterns of marks on paper. You'd have to do a lot more work to demonstrate that they are reading. Yes, that's what I am interested in: what do I exactly have to show in order to show that a rabbit can read? Or that a dog can? That is one reason that I bought a dog: it is much easier to get to obey commands, so it is easier to show what the dog can notice. But that of course demands good obedience. I am working on that... My rabbits will not obey a thing even though they sometimes do things to please me. I do not see any problem in a rabbit discriminating between the different letters: the wild rabbits can surely see the difference between a fox's paw print and that of a rabbit's front paw - otherwise they would not stay alive - even though it is much more slight a difference. I think that the problem here is that the most common ways to write are not phonetical. And Finland as a country is very small: no-one here dares to try things that others abroad have not gotten to work well first! Absurd. A stupid human can learn to read and write - why not an intelligent animal?! Tuck is learning to read. He can now read 6 words on flash cards. Amazon.com sells "teaching your dog to read" by Bonnie Bergen |
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Animal intelligence
" spoke these words
of wisdom in news:dab869fb-a90c-424a-ab32-f89c4d1ead91 @t66g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: FurPaw wrote: discrimination learning. The latter is what you are attempting to teach your rabbits, to discriminate between two patterns of marks on paper. You'd have to do a lot more work to demonstrate that they are reading. Yes, that's what I am interested in: what do I exactly have to show in order to show that a rabbit can read? Or that a dog can? That is one reason that I bought a dog: it is much easier to get to obey commands, so it is easier to show what the dog can notice. But that of course demands good obedience. I am working on that... My rabbits will not obey a thing even though they sometimes do things to please me. I do not see any problem in a rabbit discriminating between the different letters: the wild rabbits can surely see the difference between a fox's paw print and that of a rabbit's front paw - otherwise they would not stay alive - even though it is much more slight a difference. I think that the problem here is that the most common ways to write are not phonetical. And Finland as a country is very small: no-one here dares to try things that others abroad have not gotten to work well first! Absurd. A stupid human can learn to read and write - why not an intelligent animal?! You might want to check out "http://www.epetwork.com/display.php?user_id=264&pet_id=385" |
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