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Old August 5th 08, 03:14 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Melinda Shore
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Judith Althouse wrote:
I don't think I ever thought of mushing as a silent sport but I guess
if you are in the middle of nowhere and all is going well and all the
dogs are working their very best it could be silent.


"Silent sport" is usually used to refer to human-powered
stuff, or at least non-motorized stuff, like cycling, x-c
skiing, etc. Mushing has some really distinctive sounds -
the sound of the runners on the snow, the dogs' feet on the
snow, the sound of the tags jingling and the clips against
metal rings, and, of course, the dogs breathing. Everything
sounds clearer in cold weather, also. It's lovely.

Which one of your dogs is the loudest?


Jack. Hands down, Jack, although Saber's really loud, too.

I also have been wondering if you have heard anything about the dogs
that were injured during the races this year?


Well, there's Lance Mackey's dog, Zorro, who was in the sled
bag when he was rear-ended by a drunk on a skidoo. There
are a lot of updates on him at http://www.mackeyscomebackkennel.com/,
the most recent of which is this:

Zorro has had enough of the foo-foo treatment and has
opted for returning to his old dog house deep within the
90 plus sled dogs in the Mackey dog lot.

The fur has grown back over the cracked ribs. There is
only a hint of where the accident occurred in Zorro's
hips, where he occasionally sits to rest them.

Zorro has something new to brag about as he returns to
his team mates in the dog lot. The Mackey's announced
that Zorro is the proud pappa of 9 healthy puppies.

Retirement is grand!

And there are photos.

As for Jen Freking's dog who was injured by a drunk on a
skidoo (I sense a theme), she's posted this:

Aries is doing very well and adjusting to life with
three functional legs. He picked up a ball the other day
and went for a 2-mile jog with me yesterday. Even with
just three legs, he is still faster than I am. He has
gone on free-run hikes frequently as a pup and
occasionally since them and loves heading down the trail
off leash, comes when called, and looks for his
treats. Of course, we live in the middle of nowhere with
no distractions, so this isn't something I would do in a
more populated area.

Aries has been examined by at least 28 veterinarians and
specialists since the accident, and many more have been
consulted. All have agreed that he is not likely to
regain function in the limb, even with the best medical
treatment available. He still has no sensation, no deep
pain response, or movement in his front left leg at
all. At this point would be miraculous if any healing
occurred that resulted in sensation returning to the
limb. Regardless, he is getting daily massage, range of
motion (ROM) exercises, and physical therapy to maintain
the limb as well as possible and in hopes of helping him
regain function.

Although Aries life as a racing sled dog is over, he has
a bright future as my sister "webmaster" Cindy's new
companion. We will give him plenty of time and therapy
in hopes of saving his limb, but most likely it will be
amputated. Thankfully, he is a sweet and happy dog and
will certainly adjust to his new life quickly. My sister
and husband are just graduating from medical school and
will soon be moving to a beautiful hobby farm in
Michigan as they begin their residencies. He will be in
good hands and be a great jogging buddy for Cindy!

http://www.racingsiberians.com/Journal/index.html
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Old August 5th 08, 04:51 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"ceb" wrote in message
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"Beth In Alaska" wrote in
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Its too late now (I hope never to have such a happy barker ever
again, its very embarassing on walks) but what would you do with a
happy-barker!?!


I taught Queenie to "speak" -- she's the only one of my 3 that will do it
on cue. She also, comically, hushes up when I put my hands over my ears
and make a pained expression.


Kavik could both bark and no bark on command! but that didn't mean stopping
barking for long!

And sometimes I just bark loudly back at her until we both get it out of
our systems. But I only do that in the house.



Maybe we should have tried this but I wonder how long it would take a kavik
dog to get all teh barking out of his system!!


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Old August 5th 08, 04:56 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"ChrisJ" wrote in message
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Beth In Alaska wrote:
"ChrisJ" wrote in message
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Collies don't tend to bark because of aggression (Lucy is an
exception), instead they bark at moving objects (BIKES!), to alert
others about the EVIL moving object, when playing, lonely or to express
happiness. The first two are the bad ones, the last three reasons are
easily fixed or managed.



Snipped very amusing collie chat post.

Chris, Kavik was a happy barker. I was never able to really "fix" it.
We battled over happy barking (demanding happy barking, actually, I'm
happy, and you aren't paying enough attention to me barking) just about
every morning. Its too late now (I hope never to have such a happy
barker ever again, its very embarassing on walks) but what would you do
with a happy-barker!?!


Hi Beth,
That is a very good question and a real dilemma. I do think for some
collies, Happy & Barking are so intertwined that trying to diminish
barking means one is constantly scolding or correcting a collie for being
happy. That sucks all around.


This is what we ended up with!!! And it did suck. I wish I had just
debarked him when he was young and he could have been as happy as he wished.

This is especially a problem for a older dog with an deeply ingrained
happy barking problem. I wonder if there is some sort of serotonin
feedback loop going on because training it out of them is darn near
impossible (OK - yes a talented trainer could do it but for the average
joe adopter with crappy timing it is). This is one of the biggest problems
with some rescue collies - if they have a serious barking problem, no one
wants them. If started young, a collie can be conditioned/trained,
actually quite easily, to break the connection between happy & barking and
can learn to be quietly happy.

I know a lot of people are strongly opposed to debarking but in the case
of an older collie with a deeply ingrained happy-barking problem, I see it
as a good solution. Debarking doesn't prevent a dog from barking - the
barks are just not as loud or sharp (they tend to sound a bit raspy). Dogs
don't care what they sound like. The debarking is done by the vet (via
the mouth) nicking the vocal cords with a scalpel.


Yep - lots and lots of sammy people debark. All of them would listen to
kaviks bark - which was especially shrill and high pitched and say "Why
didn't you debark him?" while holding their hands over his ears. Including
his breeder who came to visit him once as an adult and when he barked his
shrill yapping she said "Did I breed THAT NOISE??" and when I said yes, she
apologized profusely.

I knew one lady, Diane, who adopted a hard luck senior collie (Corky -
estimated age of 10) who had spent his entire life as an outside dog tied
to a dog house. Corky was absolutely thrilled with his new life and
wanted to tell everyone about it. Diane's neighbors, however, were not
happy about Corky's barking and frankly it was driving Diane a bit nuts as
well. She tried all the typical first step methods (spray bottle, putting
him away when he barked, startle/redirection), some electronic methods
(Bark Solver, citronella collar, shock bark collar). She said she felt
sick about it - poor Corky didn't understand that, from his point of view,
he was being punished for being happy. Diane had been against debarking
and thought it was cruel to take away a dog's bark. Finally in
desperation, Diane had Corky debarked and after she saw how happy Corky
was - finally being allowed to bark his happy fool head off without being
corrected & scolded all the time - she said she wished she had done it
earlier.

Sorry for going off on a tangent. Now what Kavik was doing - barking in
the morning, during walks or demand barking - I have to say I've been able
to shape my collies away from much of that kind of behavior. Collies are
not much into demand barking or barking on walks, thank goD. I think it
might help that I while I'm strict with barking, I do allow the collies to
talk. They can mutter, grumble, whine, woo-woo as long as they do not
bark. Trying to stop all noise making is like trying to cork a volcano.
Sooner or later - the collie & the volcano is going to erupt (and in the
collie's case - you'll get stealth barking).



Barking on walks was sheer joy for kavik - after the first half mile or so
he'd quit. The first half mile he'd hop backwards pulling the leash in his
mouth and barking with joy. Every time. Was funny as hell but I'll bet the
neighbors didn't think so.


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Old August 6th 08, 06:00 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Judith Althouse
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Melinda said in part...
"Silent Sport" is usually used to refer to human powered stuff, or at
least non motorized stuff............Mushing has some really
distintictive sounds - the sound of the runners on the snow, the dog's
feet on the snow, the sound of the tags jingling and the clips against
metal rings, and, of course the dogs breathing. Everything sounds
clearer in cold weather, also, it's lovely.
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Melinda,
That is a beautiful description, it is almost like being out there.
I do recall trekking thru the woods with my dogs in the U.P. (of Mi)
the crunch of the snow was so sharp and clear. The only other sound was
me breathing (loudly). Buck and Lady used to love to romp in the snow.
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Which one of your dog's is the loudest?
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Melinda said...
Jack, Hands down, Jack, although Saber's really loud too.
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I think I knew that, just as I suspected your plan for Jack was to be
the lead dog. If that works as planned will it be a smooth transition or
will the current lead dog resist or harbor resentment? I am interested
and I am enjoying thinking about snow and cold weather, it is frigging
HOT!
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Thanks for all of the info about Lance Mackey's dog Zorro and Jennifer
Freking's dog Aries. I read everything.
I am not surprised that Zorro has pups or that he has returned to the
dog yards. I hope that speaks to his recovery. I really didn't picture
him lounging around the house very long unless he truly was disabled.
I had no idea that Lance Mackey was in such demand as a public
speaker. Is it because he is Lance Mackey or does he truly have a gift
for story telling?
Wow, Aries has been seen by 28 Vets....that is impressive. My thought
was that Aries would be better with the leg removed. No one can say they
didn't give it their best try. Freking is a Vet herself isn't she?
I guess Aries is the flip side of the coin. He seems to be content to
become a pet and a member of Jen's sister's family.
Didn't the idiot that crashed into Mackey and Zorro offer to pay for
expenses or some such?
The 100,000 Question on Millionaire yesterday was "What disease was
Balto and his mushing team racing to provide serum for? (well something
like that)....I knew it....I knew it!!!!
Thanks for the updates. I am going to be on the look out for Zorro's
pups and will be interested to know if any of them become successful as
sled dogs.


Be Free.....Judy

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Old August 6th 08, 08:37 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Melinda Shore
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Default Bark Collar? Which one?

In article ,
Judith Althouse wrote:
I think I knew that, just as I suspected your plan for Jack was to be
the lead dog. If that works as planned will it be a smooth transition or
will the current lead dog resist or harbor resentment? I am interested
and I am enjoying thinking about snow and cold weather, it is frigging
HOT!


Here, too, but it feels like summer is winding down a bit.
A lead dog is born a little different - something in them
wants to be in front, and they have a little (sometimes a
lot!) more confidence and the other dogs trust their
judgment. There's a lot more to it than knowing gee and
haw, and actually a lot of very good leaders have terrible
steering but will get their team down the trail or through a
blizzard. I hope Jack will become a good lead dog although
I don't know that he will. So far it's looking good. A
lead dog doesn't like to be moved back in the team, and
sometimes when a dog is being kind of a jerk, moving them
back for a bit will take the wind out of their sails and
straighten them out. Image *hates* hates hates not being in
charge. Crow is better about running somewhere else on the
team, and Eclipse will happily run anywhere (she's got a
great work ethic).

I am not surprised that Zorro has pups or that he has returned to the
dog yards. I hope that speaks to his recovery.


I think it does. The dogs live in a pack and that's what
they know and are comfortable with, and so that's where
Zorro wants to be. Mackey is a real hard-luck story and now
that he's finally an incredible success he's milking that
for all it's worth, including selling dogs and selling stud
services.

I had no idea that Lance Mackey was in such demand as a public
speaker. Is it because he is Lance Mackey or does he truly have a gift
for story telling?


He's an incredibly charismatic guy and very, very open and
emotional. He loves his dogs and is excited by mushing, and
he's got an absolutely unbelievable story. So he'll go and
spend a day at some rinky-dink dogsled fair and signs
hundreds of autographs and has hundreds of pictures taken
with strangers, and he's as upbeat and happy to meet people
at the end of the day as he is at the start. Really, if you
have a chance to go hear him speak don't miss it.

Wow, Aries has been seen by 28 Vets....that is impressive. My thought
was that Aries would be better with the leg removed. No one can say they
didn't give it their best try. Freking is a Vet herself isn't she?


She is.

Didn't the idiot that crashed into Mackey and Zorro offer to pay for
expenses or some such?


Yes, but I'm not sure how it was settled. In both of those
cases as far as I know the musher declined to press charges
and settled it personally.

Thanks for the updates. I am going to be on the look out for Zorro's
pups and will be interested to know if any of them become successful as
sled dogs.


Some of them are already, on Mackey's team.
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Old October 30th 08, 08:15 PM posted to alt.animals.dog,rec.pet.dogs,rec.pets.dogs,rec.pets.dogs.behavior,rec.pets.dogs.breeds
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:37:33 GMT, "Tom Ginkel"
wrote:

I have a French bulldog that is a very good dog, but often goes to the fence
and barks excessively. A little barking is good, but I don't want to
alienate the neighbors with constant yapping. Will an anti-bark collar
help? She is very trainable and remembers unpleasant consequences very
well.

Thanks for any help.

Tom



I use a citronella spray collar on my doxie. It's extremely effective
and humane. It helps a ton with safety issues, too, since he'll try
to bolt into the street after a passing dog or person unless he's
wearing the collar.
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Old October 30th 08, 08:23 PM posted to alt.animals.dog,rec.pet.dogs,rec.pets.dogs,rec.pets.dogs.behavior,rec.pets.dogs.breeds
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Mason Barge said in
rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

I use a citronella spray collar on my doxie. It's
extremely effective and humane.


How is it humane? The smell lingers - there's no defined end to
the pushment that the collar provides.

It helps a ton with safety issues, too, since he'll try to
bolt into the street after a passing dog or person unless
he's wearing the collar.


Why do you think that happens?

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Old October 30th 08, 08:29 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Mason Barge" wrote in message
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The post you're replying to is three months old, and the person asking
for advice never bothered to follow up, so it's extremely unlikely that
he'll ever see your response.

I use a citronella spray collar on my doxie. It's extremely effective
and humane.


How, exactly, do you figure that?

It helps a ton with safety issues, too, since he'll try
to bolt into the street after a passing dog or person unless he's
wearing the collar.


Have you considered training your dog? Or, at the very least, putting
him on a leash?

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Old November 8th 08, 08:21 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Bark collars don't really work. I used a shock collar on my dog (I don't
think they had citronella yet) and it only band aided the problem. Some dogs
just bark. You have to find out why the dog is barking and then turn the
behaviour around (ya I know I couldn't be more vague but you get the idea).
Also if you have a terrier (named because these dogs are so persistant that
they will chase animals under ground) then you are trying to shut off the
dog's natural behaviour.
"Rocky" wrote in message
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Mason Barge said in
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I use a citronella spray collar on my doxie. It's
extremely effective and humane.


How is it humane? The smell lingers - there's no defined end to
the pushment that the collar provides.

It helps a ton with safety issues, too, since he'll try to
bolt into the street after a passing dog or person unless
he's wearing the collar.


Why do you think that happens?

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