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have an 8 week old puppy. Just had a vet check and first shots.
All's well. `cept I didn't think to mention to the vet that the dog doesn't exactly have the shits, but they are a little, shall we say, slushy ? not firm stools. more a thick slurry (without wanting to be too graphic). She has puppy food and puppy kibble. I was wondering about putting a few oats or rice to eh, use as a stiffener. Any thoughts ? |
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On 28 Jan 2007 11:16:30 -0800, "k9nick" wrote:
have an 8 week old puppy. Just had a vet check and first shots. All's well. `cept I didn't think to mention to the vet that the dog doesn't exactly have the shits, but they are a little, shall we say, slushy ? not firm stools. more a thick slurry (without wanting to be too graphic). She has puppy food and puppy kibble. I was wondering about putting a few oats or rice to eh, use as a stiffener. Any thoughts ? Did your vet check for worms? Where did you get the puppy? Breeder? Pet store? Where? How often are you feeding her now? How much are you feeding her? Why do you feed her both "puppy food" and "puppy kibble"? What's the difference? What does that mean? IMO, if she checks out okay for worms, and depending on what you're actually feeding her now, you should just stick to feeding her a PREMIUM brand of puppy kibble (Purina Pro-Plan, Eukanuba, etc.) - and no additives, unless your vet recommends it. -- Handsome Jack Morrison |
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I thought that having taken the pup to the vet that as vets do the
worm pill thing as standard, or if they don't they flippin well should, that it would be understood that all the normal things are done. including worming. Food. Difference,? puppy food is a canned dog food and the kibble is the biscuit. Around 50/50 mix Balanced diet etc. Where did I get the puppy ? It was from a litter we heard about. mother and father dogs live together, but you know, when those nights get chilly and the old love bug strikes, boys and girls get it on. Result, 11 puppies. Of which we have one. On Jan 29, 8:48 am, Handsome Jack Morrison wrote: On 28 Jan 2007 11:16:30 -0800, "k9nick" wrote: have an 8 week old puppy. Just had a vet check and first shots. All's well. `cept I didn't think to mention to the vet that the dog doesn't exactly have the shits, but they are a little, shall we say, slushy ? not firm stools. more a thick slurry (without wanting to be too graphic). She has puppy food and puppy kibble. I was wondering about putting a few oats or rice to eh, use as a stiffener. Any thoughts ?Did your vet check for worms? Where did you get the puppy? Breeder? Pet store? Where? How often are you feeding her now? How much are you feeding her? Why do you feed her both "puppy food" and "puppy kibble"? What's the difference? What does that mean? IMO, if she checks out okay for worms, and depending on what you're actually feeding her now, you should just stick to feeding her a PREMIUM brand of puppy kibble (Purina Pro-Plan, Eukanuba, etc.) - and no additives, unless your vet recommends it. -- Handsome Jack Morrison |
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On 28 Jan 2007 20:39:04 -0800, "k9nick" wrote:
I thought that having taken the pup to the vet that as vets do the worm pill thing as standard, or if they don't they flippin well should, Actually, IMO, no, they shouldn't. Yes, many vets will routinely worm all puppies as part of their initial exam, but many will want to see a stool sample first, to make sure that the puppy actually has worms. I'm with the second group: don't give a puppy poison unless it's absolutely necessary. Food. Difference,? puppy food is a canned dog food and the kibble is the biscuit. Around 50/50 mix Balanced diet etc. Do you know what the puppy was eating before you brought her home? Why the canned food? If you use a premium brand of kibble, no canned food should be necessary. It also makes for a firmer stool, and less mess to clean up. I hope you're not just ad-libbing here. I think the loose stool is probably related to changing your pup's diet, and feeding her too much food. You didn't answer the questions about how much you're feeding her, and how often, and it would really help to know the answers to those questions - before you take any further action. One of the main reasons that puppies have loose stool is that they're given to much food to eat. Where did I get the puppy ? It was from a litter we heard about. mother and father dogs live together, but you know, when those nights get chilly and the old love bug strikes, boys and girls get it on. Result, 11 puppies. Of which we have one. 11 puppies. That's a very big litter. So hopefully you know how critical that *early* socialization (to all the sights, sounds, smells of the world) is for a pup, right? On Jan 29, 8:48 am, Handsome Jack Morrison wrote: On 28 Jan 2007 11:16:30 -0800, "k9nick" wrote: [...] -- Handsome Jack Morrison Myths of the Iraq War: http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/topt.../20070128.aspx |
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I feed the pup canned puppy food and dry kibble. Possibly because
that's the way my father did it and that's the way I feed the old guys anyway. in other words, canned food mixed half and half with kibble. THe puppy of course is on a puppy canned food and puppy biscuit. The food i feed isnt the cheapest on the shelf. Its quality food and a balanced diet. Perhaps I am feeding too much. As to how much I feed well probably I do give too much. She always leaves behind but she eats around 2/3's of what I put down. pup was fed weetbix and milk and canned puppy food before i got her. I put much of it down to a change in diet and her tummy has to settle down and so on. sounds and experiences. well aware of all of that thanks. Im nearly 50. Always lived with 2 or three dogs. I dont like feeding dry food all the time. Which is why I usually give canned food and biscuit and varying flavours. On Jan 29, 9:20 am, montana wildhack wrote: On 2007-01-28 14:16:30 -0500, "k9nick" said: have an 8 week old puppy. Just had a vet check and first shots. All's well. `cept I didn't think to mention to the vet that the dog doesn't exactly have the shits, but they are a little, shall we say, slushy ? not firm stools. more a thick slurry (without wanting to be too graphic). She has puppy food and puppy kibble. I was wondering about putting a few oats or rice to eh, use as a stiffener. Any thoughts ?Rice or oats can help, but for a baby puppy (and we're just giving an unexpected ltter of 5 8 week-old puppies away) the better choice would be cottage cheese. There's more nutrition in it for growing pups. You'll want the mix to be about half and half kibble to cottage cheese. --http://4dsgn.com |
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On 29 Jan 2007 08:57:28 -0800, "k9nick" wrote:
I feed the pup canned puppy food and dry kibble. Possibly because that's the way my father did it and that's the way I feed the old guys anyway. in other words, canned food mixed half and half with kibble. THe puppy of course is on a puppy canned food and puppy biscuit. The food i feed isnt the cheapest on the shelf. Its quality food and a balanced diet. Look, she's your pup. If you want to make it easier for your puppy to have loose stools, get fat, have diseased teeth and gums, etc. - go right ahead. Perhaps I am feeding too much. How exactly will you ever know? Before it's too late, I mean? As to how much I feed well probably I do give too much. She always leaves behind but she eats around 2/3's of what I put down. Is what you "put down" for her in accordance with any particular feeding guideline? Or are you just shooting from the hip? pup was fed weetbix and milk and canned puppy food before i got her. I put much of it down to a change in diet and her tummy has to settle down and so on. Yes, that's almost certainly part of it. But you're almost certainly feeding her too much, too. So what are you going to *do* about it? Adding stuff to her food, without having a clue as to why she has loose stools, doesn't sound very smart to me. sounds and experiences. well aware of all of that thanks. Im nearly 50. Always lived with 2 or three dogs. What exactly do you think early puppy socialization entails? How long does it last? Do you think your puppy, probably resulting from an accidental breeding, and having *10* littermates(!), got enough early socialization from her "breeder"? I don't think so. I dont like feeding dry food all the time. Why not? Which is why I usually give canned food and biscuit and varying flavours. In other words, you're starting to actually enjoy your puppy having loose stools? Well, okay then! On Jan 29, 9:20 am, montana wildhack wrote: On 2007-01-28 14:16:30 -0500, "k9nick" said: have an 8 week old puppy. Just had a vet check and first shots. All's well. `cept I didn't think to mention to the vet that the dog doesn't exactly have the shits, but they are a little, shall we say, slushy ? not firm stools. more a thick slurry (without wanting to be too graphic). She has puppy food and puppy kibble. I was wondering about putting a few oats or rice to eh, use as a stiffener. Any thoughts ?Rice or oats can help, but for a baby puppy (and we're just giving an unexpected ltter of 5 8 week-old puppies away) the better choice would be cottage cheese. There's more nutrition in it for growing pups. You'll want the mix to be about half and half kibble to cottage cheese. --http://4dsgn.com -- Handsome Jack Morrison Whatever Hits the Fan is Never Evenly Distributed: http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/004686.html Myths of the Iraq War: http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/topt.../20070128.aspx |
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On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:30:36 -0500, montana wildhack
wrote: On 2007-01-29 13:23:40 -0500, Handsome Jack Morrison said: Or are you just shooting from the hip? Well Jack, he's nearly 50, he's had dogs, so he surely knows everything he needs to know. Well, okay then! -- Handsome Jack Morrison Whatever Hits the Fan is Never Evenly Distributed: http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/004686.html Myths of the Iraq War: http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/topt.../20070128.aspx |
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"k9nick" wrote in news:1170045544.162841.57860
@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: I thought that having taken the pup to the vet that as vets do the worm pill thing as standard, or if they don't they flippin well should, that it would be understood that all the normal things are done. including worming. Um. No. Worming medicine is poison. Why on earth would you think that a vet should automatically give a puppy something like that as "standard". And if you didn't mention the problems with your pup's poop, the vet would have no way of knowing that he should perhaps take a fecal sample and see if perhaps a worming is actually in order. Call your vet and tell them there is a problem. Ask if they'd like to check a stool sample. Pay them for this. Food. Difference,? puppy food is a canned dog food and the kibble is the biscuit. Around 50/50 mix Balanced diet etc. I don't understand the term "Balanced diet etc". Is that the brand name of the food you're feeding? Where did I get the puppy ? It was from a litter we heard about. mother and father dogs live together, but you know, when those nights get chilly and the old love bug strikes, boys and girls get it on. Result, 11 puppies. Of which we have one. Did the people who allowed their dogs to have an "oops" litter ever worm the pups? Did they have a vet check the pups out at all? Do you have any info on what the breeders did to insure the health of the pups at any point? People get pups from less than stellar breedings all the time (happened right here to one of our regulars who adopted a dog who, it turned out, was pregnant!), but that doesn't mean that the breeders just toss up their hands and let "nature take its course". There's still a lot of work to be done to make sure the pups are properly socialized to humans, sights, sounds, other dogs, etc as well as lots to be done to make sure they're healthy, not carrying parasites and eating a healthy food. I think its great that you have this brand new puppy, and congratulations on your new pup. Tara |
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Handsome Jack Morrison wrote in
: On 29 Jan 2007 08:57:28 -0800, "k9nick" wrote: I feed the pup canned puppy food and dry kibble. Possibly because that's the way my father did it and that's the way I feed the old guys anyway. in other words, canned food mixed half and half with kibble. THe puppy of course is on a puppy canned food and puppy biscuit. The food i feed isnt the cheapest on the shelf. Its quality food and a balanced diet. Look, she's your pup. If you want to make it easier for your puppy to have loose stools, get fat, have diseased teeth and gums, etc. - go right ahead. I hope you're primarily refering to the *amount* being fed, rather than the canned food. I'd love to see some real cites that say feeding canned causes any of the thing you mention. snip Adding stuff to her food, without having a clue as to why she has loose stools, doesn't sound very smart to me. This I do agree with. I'm all for adding, or concocting preperations for dogs as long as you *know* why you're doing it and what you're trying to accomplish. Doing it "just because" doesn't make sense. snip I dont like feeding dry food all the time. Why not? Which is why I usually give canned food and biscuit and varying flavours. In other words, you're starting to actually enjoy your puppy having loose stools? Well, okay then! That doesn't follow. The first thing I'd be looking at is worms and the overfeeding issue. If the pup is used to canned, it shouldn't be causing a problem. Depends on the dog. Most dogs I come across aren't phased by diet changes as long as their humans don't get overly rigid about never altering their food. Then, even those dogs tend to get symptomatic if their diet is changed because their system no longer adapts as well. I used to change Finn's food every two or three bags. No gradual three weeks to change over crap. Just new bag = new food. If I had canned food and wanted to add it to his kibble, I did. His only sensitive area was with too much meat on his once a week raw bones. If there was a lot of meat on the bone, he'd have one loose stool before he pooped out the chalk dry bone poop. That's it. Until the end, of course....but that was obviously a different topic. Annie is nearly the same way, though I notice she gets a smidge looser after more than two big Wellness biscuit treats. When she came to me, she had been eating the same kibble day in and day out forever, and I noticed she had some slight trouble adapting to new foods. Now she gets a mixture of kibbles (maybe 70% one brand, and the rest divided between two other kinds), and I feed her that as rewards throughout the day. Plus meats (cooked turkey or chicken breast, mostly. Some hot dogs). Plus some canned as a filled Kong snack if she has to be crated for a long time. No loose stools at all, and she's doing really well. I'm not saying this poster has a well thought out feeding plan, but what I got from your response was that if you feed canned, or if you feed more than one flavor kibble, its a given that there will be problems....and I just don't see that as true most of the time. Unless either the owner creates that problem in the dog by being too rigid (which is most of the time), or the dog has digestive issues out of the gate, then I see that most dogs are pretty ok with those things. The OP needs to make better decisions about what to feed their pup, obviously. That's a different matter. I just wanted to address what I got from your post. Tara |
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In article 6,
Tara wrote: I used to change Finn's food every two or three bags. No gradual three weeks to change over crap. Just new bag = new food. I do the same thing without current problems. There's a school of thought (i.e. there's no research behind it) that says that 1) rotating food helps develop a more robust digestive system (i.e. parking on one food for extended periods of time decreases the dog's tolerance for variation in his diet), and 2) rotating food helps keep the diet more balanced (as long as you're feeding quality diets, etc.). I stick with one feed through the training and working (HAH) season but switch feeds a few times during the summer, mostly without problems. Duncan was prone to IBD and wasn't very tolerant of most feeds, but otherwise it's been fine. I believe that people create an awful lot of their own problems with their dogs, and that's true of feeding, as well. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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