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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:26:56 GMT, "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~"
wrote: I would LOVE to help a dog out. Unfortunately my home has 4 cats that are VERY comfortable in this environment. Training a pup is hard work and it takes a dedicated person to do it. I don't work and can be here ALL of the time for the pup. *RE*-training 4 cats to accept a dog would be a totally different thing. i got elliott as a puppy. my three resident cats did *not* like him and they did not learn to like him as he grew older. one cat sent him to the vet on two occasions, nearly blinding him. the poor dog had never said "boo" to any of the cats, even when he was hurt by them, so it's not like he deserved their dislike. fast forward five years. enter harriet the 7mo bouncing Boxer. granted, 7 months is still a puppy, but she was nearly her full grown size when i got her and Boxers are puppies until they die. anyway, pandora, the cat who loathed dogs, fell in instant love. harriet gets jealous of the cats, but pan is as friendly and affectionate as could be with her. there's no guarantee that your resident cats will like or ever adjust to a puppy. or, that a puppy will grow up to be cat friendly because it was raised with cats. your best bet is to work with a rescue group that can thoroughly vet its dogs for cat-friendliness and who will let you introduce the dog to your cats to see if they'll be compatible. -- shelly http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette || http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com You will find poetry nowhere unless you bring some of it with you. -- Joseph Joubert |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:26:56 GMT ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ whittled these words:
I would LOVE to help a dog out. Unfortunately my home has 4 cats that are VERY comfortable in this environment. Training a pup is hard work and it takes a dedicated person to do it. I don't work and can be here ALL of the time for the pup. *RE*-training 4 cats to accept a dog would be a totally different thing. I've had a lot of experience with dogs and cats. It is MUCH easier for cats to accept dogs than puppies. In fact one of the considerations I had when I was looking to fill the empty spot Oso left behind was making it easy on the cats. And for that reason I did not look for a puppy. Freeway was exactly the ticket. He was between 18 months and 3 years when I adopted him. Maturity has the advantage of adding a degree of impulse control and ability to follow direction. -- Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/dogplayshop.htm |
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"~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" wrote in message ... We're no longer complete strangers. I've called her at least 10 times and we've talked a looooong time about puppies, dogs, cats, fibromyalgia, social security, vets, dog insurance, breeder clubs, organizations, rescue, etc. So, how did she answer that question I suggested you ask her? She's not a crappy breeder. I found a Chi club in my area, and she is known in there as a local Chi breeder for central & upstate NY. So the sire and dam of this litter are finished CH, over 2 years of age, health tested (OFA/BAER/CERF, etc) and the pet puppy is being sold on limited registration? That's a better gauge of whether she's a crappy breeder or not. Fourteen day return policy if my vet finds the dog to have problems. So, if your pup is crippled from luxating patellas and goes blind from genetic problems at age 1, she says "ah, bummer, its been over two weeks!" Great. Nope, not a crappy breeder at all. Rancid is more like it. Her grandmother did it. She grew up with Chi's. She adores them. Her mother and two brothers have them, etc., etc. I do not know if she is breeding to 'better the breed'. Then you haven't talked to her nearly enough. She's a BYB and you're too ignorant, or stubborn, to see that. What a shame. The quality of life for the pup I choose will be top notch. Well, unless it has luxating patellas, legg-calves perth, etc. Christy |
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It is absolutely amazing how critical most of you are. Mel, the 14 day deal
is for full money back. The very first thing she wanted to know from me was 'first right of refusal'. (Answering you kindly, btw). There is nothing a newbie can say or do in here to get help. It's criticism, after criticism. Happy was a puppy when I got him, and Sade', my Ragdoll who was quite snooty, accepted him just fine. The others wanted to sleep with him, play with him, etc. I'm going on what I know and that it works in training a pup. I've passed adoption contracts w/flying colors. `Guess all those folks in adoption and rescue are apt to be ignorant too, huh? Done here. Mel... have a good summer. At least a "cool" front has come our way. We got tons of rain last night w/more coming tonight. Finally!! -- ·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) Laurie ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- ((¸¸ ·.· *~*LiveLoveLaugh*~* Aloha!!!!! "There is no remedy for love but to love more"... ~~Henry David Thoreau "Christy" wrote in message news:2sJre.10920$lb5.4671@trnddc04... "~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" wrote in message ... We're no longer complete strangers. I've called her at least 10 times and we've talked a looooong time about puppies, dogs, cats, fibromyalgia, social security, vets, dog insurance, breeder clubs, organizations, rescue, etc. So, how did she answer that question I suggested you ask her? She's not a crappy breeder. I found a Chi club in my area, and she is known in there as a local Chi breeder for central & upstate NY. So the sire and dam of this litter are finished CH, over 2 years of age, health tested (OFA/BAER/CERF, etc) and the pet puppy is being sold on limited registration? That's a better gauge of whether she's a crappy breeder or not. Fourteen day return policy if my vet finds the dog to have problems. So, if your pup is crippled from luxating patellas and goes blind from genetic problems at age 1, she says "ah, bummer, its been over two weeks!" Great. Nope, not a crappy breeder at all. Rancid is more like it. Her grandmother did it. She grew up with Chi's. She adores them. Her mother and two brothers have them, etc., etc. I do not know if she is breeding to 'better the breed'. Then you haven't talked to her nearly enough. She's a BYB and you're too ignorant, or stubborn, to see that. What a shame. The quality of life for the pup I choose will be top notch. Well, unless it has luxating patellas, legg-calves perth, etc. Christy |
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In article ,
~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ wrote: It is absolutely amazing how critical most of you are. Mel, the 14 day deal is for full money back. Ooooooh. Aaaaaahhh. Look, there are specific things in your description of the breeding and of the transaction that set off warning flags. I don't think any breeder is perfect, but one area where you should expect people to be particularly scrupulous is in their reasons for breeding dogs in the first place. Clearly you're determined to go through with the transaction, but you're really not going about it very carefully. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - 43% of all private-sector jobs created in the US from 2001 to April 2005 are housing-related |
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"~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" wrote in message ... There is nothing a newbie can say or do in here to get help. When they absolutely refuse to listen or be educated, then no, they are beyond help. Sucks, I agree, but whose fault is it exactly? Christy |
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Christy wrote:
"~*LiveLoveLaugh*~" wrote in message ... We're no longer complete strangers. I've called her at least 10 times and we've talked a looooong time about puppies, dogs, cats, fibromyalgia, social security, vets, dog insurance, breeder clubs, organizations, rescue, etc. So, how did she answer that question I suggested you ask her? She's not a crappy breeder. I found a Chi club in my area, and she is known in there as a local Chi breeder for central & upstate NY. So the sire and dam of this litter are finished CH, over 2 years of age, health tested (OFA/BAER/CERF, etc) and the pet puppy is being sold on limited registration? That's a better gauge of whether she's a crappy breeder or not. Fourteen day return policy if my vet finds the dog to have problems. So, if your pup is crippled from luxating patellas and goes blind from genetic problems at age 1, she says "ah, bummer, its been over two weeks!" Great. Nope, not a crappy breeder at all. Rancid is more like it. Your conclusion doesn't necessarily follow from what she said. You don't know that this breeder would respond this way from the information the OP gives. Perhaps if you rephrased your excellent point your intended audience might be able to hear you more effectively. For example: "Many genetic problems don't show up in the first two weeks. If your pup develops luxating patellas or goes blind from genetic problems after that, what will this breeder do? If the answer is "nothing," then this is not a good breeder. I suggest you ask her what her policy is with genetic problems that show up later, and --even better-- what she does to avoid them before she breeds." Her grandmother did it. She grew up with Chi's. She adores them. Her mother and two brothers have them, etc., etc. I do not know if she is breeding to 'better the breed'. Then you haven't talked to her nearly enough. She's a BYB and you're too ignorant, or stubborn, to see that. What a shame. How about "Then you haven't talked to her nearly enough. So far she sounds like a BYB, a person who may like Chihuahuas, but isn't willing to put the work into breeding them ethically. People like that, even if they have good intentions, turn out lots of unhealthy, unsound puppies that go on to create more like themselves, and many of them end up in shelters or mills. You have to ask yourself whether you are willing to financially support someone like that." The quality of life for the pup I choose will be top notch. Well, unless it has luxating patellas, legg-calves perth, etc. In a subsequent post, you say, " When they absolutely refuse to listen or be educated, then no, they are beyond help. Sucks, I agree, but whose fault is it exactly?" I'd suggest that if your goal is to educate--and I'm sure it is--that you consider whether the way you're going about it is effective. Look, on the facts, you and everyone else here is correct. (And although I am responding to your post, I don't mean to single you out.) I agree completely. But it isn't you or I that is going to suffer if people who have been met with a barrage of insults just leave without taking in any information. Think of dog training. Treat them like dogs that need training. Be patient. Give pats for good baby steps. I'm sorry to act like a net nanny, but I've just see this pattern over and over again in this NG over the years, and it gets to me. |
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on 2005-06-15 at 12:30 wrote:
I'd suggest that if your goal is to educate--and I'm sure it is--that you consider whether the way you're going about it is effective. or her goal may be to vent her frustration at people who--though they claim to know better--seem bent on doing detriment to dogs. i dunno. then again, Christy *is* easily amused, so perhaps her real goal is to entertain herself? I'm sorry to act like a net nanny, but I've just see this pattern over and over again in this NG over the years, and it gets to me. i can't find any educational posts--patiently praising or otherwise--from you to the OP. if the tone of certain posts bothers you and strikes you as counter productive, then it seems to me that the best solution would be to lead by example. if you are unwilling to offer up the sort of advice that you feel is appropriate, the remaining options are for the OP to get *no* help or for the OP to get help with a side of attitude. -- shelly http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/ http://letters-to-esther.blogspot.com/ (updated 4/3/05) |
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on 2005-06-15 at 08:09 wrote:
Perhaps not to THAT individual, but to others. i'm referring to posts specifically to Laurie. it always strikes me as a bit odd when someone complains about others neglecting to provide what that s/he has not her/himself provided. -- shelly http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/ http://letters-to-esther.blogspot.com/ (updated 4/3/05) |
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on 2005-06-15 at 08:20 wrote:
of course. Everything strikes you as odd... doesn't it. if you insist? -- shelly http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/ http://letters-to-esther.blogspot.com/ (updated 4/3/05) |
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