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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:27:32 -0500, shelly wrote:
on 2005-06-15 at 08:20 wrote: of course. Everything strikes you as odd... doesn't it. if you insist? I see Diddy is still stalking you Shelly. Lucky you! Me, I tend to sort of look askance at any information from someone so mentally unbalanced that they must follow another person from post to post in an attempt to make that person look bad--goes past pettiness to mentally ill IMO. |
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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:26:56 GMT ~*LiveLoveLaugh*~ whittled these words:
We're no longer complete strangers. I've called her at least 10 times and we've talked a looooong time about puppies, dogs, cats, fibromyalgia, social security, vets, dog insurance, breeder clubs, organizations, rescue, etc. Excellent. What did you learn about patella luxation, PRA, open health registries, which kind of cardiac issues appear in the breed? I think chances of finding a chihuahua breeder who checks for genetic health problems is relatively small. Yorkshire terriers aren't much better but here is a way to get an understanding of how breed culture applies here. First, no matter how bad a person is a web design I think you will agree that they will tend to first include on a web site the things they believe are important. What kind of health information can you find on the chihuahua club web site? Now look at how club plitics influnces cautions and information given to outsiders. Compare http://www.chihuahuaclubofamerica.com/teacup.htm and http://www.ytca.org/faq.html I can assure you that the problems discussed in the latter occur equally in the former, but which is more forthright? She's not a crappy breeder. I found a Chi club in my area, and she is known in there as a local Chi breeder for central & upstate NY. So if you believe she is a good breeder what steps is she taking to improve breed health? And are those steps consistent with the advice given in "Control of CAnine Genetic Disease" by Padgett. And if they are not, do you belive those steps are nevertheless reasonable and adequate, and why do you believe that? Fourteen day return policy if my vet finds the dog to have problems. Do you think that shows a high level of confidence in the health of her dogs - as to conditions that won't become apparent and crrppling for from months to years? As a chihuahua breeder she proably believes it is adequate. In other breeds, much healthier breeds, the rock bottom acceptable period is two years - and no return of the dog/puppy required. Sounds pretty much like you will fit right in with the breed culture. Its a personal choice thing. It appears you are comfortable with your choices. I hope it works out well. -- Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/dogplayshop.htm |
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on 2005-06-15 at 13:46 wrote:
I see Diddy is still stalking you Shelly. Lucky you! yes, my cup, she do runneth over with luck and, um, stuff. Me, I tend to sort of look askance at any information from someone so mentally unbalanced that they must follow another person from post to post in an attempt to make that person look bad--goes past pettiness to mentally ill IMO. oye. when i said that having my very own pet troll might be fun, i meant the ceramic kind you stick in your garden. or are those gnomes? see, kids, when your parents tell you to be careful what you wish for, you really ought to listen to them! -- shelly http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/ http://letters-to-esther.blogspot.com/ (updated 4/3/05) |
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shelly wrote:
if the tone of certain posts bothers you and strikes you as counter productive, then it seems to me that the best solution would be to lead by example. if you are unwilling to offer up the sort of advice that you feel is appropriate, the remaining options are for the OP to get *no* help or for the OP to get help with a side of attitude. I am perfectly willing to offer up the sort of advice I think is appropriate, and have done so in other threads. By the time I started reading this particular thread, it was all over but the shouting. I agree that leading by example is the best way, and it is an aberration for me personally to have posted net-nannyish stuff. That was my $.02, and everyone is free to ignore me. I would suggest, though, that "help" with a side of attitude is often no help at all, because it is dismissed. Believe me, I do not underestimate the frustration that people feel at the same questions coming over and over, the people asking why they can't do what they like with "their" property (ie, random breed), the people who think dogs are fine tied up in the yard, yadda, yadda, yadda. It just makes you want to reach through the monitor and rip their throat out sometimes, I know. |
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shelly wrote:
on 2005-06-15 at 08:09 wrote: Perhaps not to THAT individual, but to others. i'm referring to posts specifically to Laurie. it always strikes me as a bit odd when someone complains about others neglecting to provide what that s/he has not her/himself provided. I suggest you look at Diane Goodman's reply to Laurie for an example of good advice presented in a manner that is likely to be taken seriously. How Diane has managed to participate in this ng for what must be at least a decade and maintain this level of sanity and civility I don't know, but I do know that she has done a lot of good. I always recommend her website to people who are thinking of getting a puppy. |
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on 2005-06-15 at 15:23 wrote:
I am perfectly willing to offer up the sort of advice I think is appropriate, and have done so in other threads. By the time I started reading this particular thread, it was all over but the shouting. that makes no sense to me. you had a choice of offering what you consider to be good, kind help to the OP or chastising someone else. now, i'm all for the latter (duh!), but under the circumstances, i find your decision odd (hi, diddy!). from where i'm sitting, it looks like you whined about the crap, which ended up adding to the crap. I would suggest, though, that "help" with a side of attitude is often no help at all, because it is dismissed. of course. but that wasn't the only flavor of help the OP received. several people, myself included (hi, diddy!), gave her information with nary a smidgen of attitude. Believe me, I do not underestimate the frustration that people feel at the same questions coming over and over, the people asking why they can't do what they like with "their" property (ie, random breed), the people who think dogs are fine tied up in the yard, yadda, yadda, yadda. i think, in this particular case, the frustration stems from the OP seeming, at least, to understand the the breeder she's dealing with is not responsible, but still expressing willingness to deal with her. i don't know about you, but i can perfectly understand being irritated by someone who asks for an opinion, appears to generally understand the given opinion and to agree with it, but who seems bent on disregarding that opinion. what do you say to someone like that? clearly, any kind, helpful information has been and likely will be disregarded. about all you can do, i think, is beat your head against a brick wall, ignore the poster in the future or vent your frustration at them. i can't say i would blame someone for choosing either of the last two options. -- shelly http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/ http://letters-to-esther.blogspot.com/ (updated 4/3/05) |
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On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:13:16 -0500, shelly wrote:
on 2005-06-15 at 13:46 wrote: I see Diddy is still stalking you Shelly. Lucky you! yes, my cup, she do runneth over with luck and, um, stuff. Me, I tend to sort of look askance at any information from someone so mentally unbalanced that they must follow another person from post to post in an attempt to make that person look bad--goes past pettiness to mentally ill IMO. oye. when i said that having my very own pet troll might be fun, i meant the ceramic kind you stick in your garden. or are those gnomes? see, kids, when your parents tell you to be careful what you wish for, you really ought to listen to them! Yeah, I had a neighbor once with garden gnomes. They too were tacky and inappropriate but not, fortunately, nutso. |
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on 2005-06-15 at 15:24 wrote:
I suggest you look at Diane Goodman's reply Diane Blackman. and yes, i've read her replies. i read *everything* Diane posts. to Laurie for an example of good advice presented in a manner that is likely to be taken seriously. Diane was not the only one who attempted the kind, helpful approach with Laurie. others gave up more quickly, but that does not mean they did not try. How Diane has managed to participate in this ng for what must be at least a decade and maintain this level of sanity and civility I don't know, but I do know that she has done a lot of good. I always recommend her website to people who are thinking of getting a puppy. i agree! Diane absolutely *rocks*. -- shelly http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/ http://letters-to-esther.blogspot.com/ (updated 4/3/05) |
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on 2005-06-15 at 16:21 wrote:
Yeah, I had a neighbor once with garden gnomes. They too were tacky and inappropriate but not, fortunately, nutso. i *live* for tacky and inappropriate! speaking of, i really want one of these shirts: http://www.cafepress.com/bridezilla/156657 nutso, though, i can live without. -- shelly http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/ http://letters-to-esther.blogspot.com/ (updated 4/3/05) |
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shelly wrote:
on 2005-06-15 at 15:24 wrote: I suggest you look at Diane Goodman's reply Diane Blackman. and yes, i've read her replies. i read *everything* Diane posts. Oops. I knew that. |
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