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Dog IQ Contest and/or Elder Dog Contest?
Is there a dog contest(s) that judges how smart the dogs are? Dogs are
breed for so many things. How about for intelligence? Also, are there dog contest(s) that judge dogs when they're within the last year of their expected lifespans? Judging them on how well they aged. Scott Jensen -- Peer-to-peer networking (a.k.a. file-sharing) is entertainment's future. If you'd like to know why, read the white paper at the link below. http://www.nonesuch.org/p2prevolution.pdf |
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And also....
Function: The breed developed to man-trail by scent, such as the bloodhound, will be much better at it than, say, a breed developed as a lap dog. Which dog is more intelligent? If you are rating man-trailing, the Bloodhound wins hands down. But within all Bloodhounds, some will be better than others. Which dog is more intelligent? A Labrador Retriever may chase a small critter and try to dig it out of it's den, to no avail, but lots of fun and destruction... but a terrier, bred for the job, enlarges the den slightly and either chases the ritter out the back door or kills it and usually drags it out. Which dog is more intelligent? The Lab retrieves all day, works as a scent detection dog, works as a guide dog, works as an assistance dog.... but as a dog trying to do terrier work, it's a bomb.... (Note that many terriers can and will do water retrieve work even field retrieves, and can do certain types of assistance dog work within it's size capacity... but isn' t big enough to be a guide dog, and won't do many of the Lab's jobs as well as the Lab does them.) It's easiest to rate "intelligence" against the standards for formal obedience trials... happens every weekend at those trials, but it's the individual dog and it's trainer (usually the owner), not the breed, that is measured. Old Dogs: At some dog shows, and almost always at the single-breed shows called "specialties", there is competition for "veterans", dogs 8 years old and older.... They are measured against the breed standard, the same way the young dogs are... and one of those measures is gait... how the dog moves. I have seen a number of 14 and 15year-old dogs in these veterans classes who would still be competitive in the regular classes of younger dogs, except that they move more stiffly, and maybe more slowly. They can also compete in veterans classes in obedience, where they are not asked to jump or retrieve. In terriers, a good number of veterans (by calendar age) compete with the younger dogs with no breaks, in Earthdog tests. In agility, the AKC has one group of classes with lower jumps, aimed originally at the older dog. My dogs have worked as therapy dogs up to and past their 15th birthdays. My present 11 yo terrier is more active than my current 6 yo terrier, and learns new things faster than the 6 yo.... same breed, different dogs. Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia |
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On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:42:21 -0500 Scott T. Jensen whittled these words:
Is there a dog contest(s) that judges how smart the dogs are? Dogs are breed for so many things. How about for intelligence? There are ways of evaluating various aspects of intelligence but its a very broad a concept. Is a dog that knows what is wanted but chooses not to comply unless you make it worth his while more or less intelligent than the dog that slavishly follows every command? Is the dog that learns one way that is successful and then carefully continues to use that way everytime more or less intelligent than the dog that experiments to see if another way might also work? Dogs ARE bred for certain aspects of intelligence. People who are serious about competing in the sport of obedience look for their puppies from pedigrees with success in obedience. Search and rescue handlers prefer dogs that come from a proven background of search and rescue. Great obedience dogs have the ability to learn a large number of commands, to understand those commands in two "languages" (voice and hand signal), and the will to perform them flawlessly. But a great obedience dog need not be a great problem solver. And a great problem solver might not be able to retain and execute the various obedience commands. Then there is the whole problem of separateing out what is inate (and thus can be bred for) vs. what is learned (and is therefore not very useful in breeding selection). This is basically true of humans as well - so called "intelligence tests" often measure accomplishment, not ability. Also, are there dog contest(s) that judge dogs when they're within the last year of their expected lifespans? Judging them on how well they aged. No. There are, for some breeds, registries of longevity. There are, for some breeds, health registries. Getting people to submit the information even once takes a lot of persuasion. Since no one knows that would be the last year of an expected lifespan data collection would have to be continuous. I don't know of many breeds that have just a single age as an "expected lifespan" Even those with the shortest life spans "normal" is a range of two or three years, e.g. a labrador retriever typical lives 10-12 years. Even the term "typical lifespan" is misleading as longevity studies will tend to show significant differences depending upon many factors, including the "line" (pedigree). Even human cultural differences will influence typical lifespan depending upon whether the use and level of veterinary care. Again its as difficult in dogs as it is in people to separate out what is due to genetics and what is environmental - and there is a lot less money incentive behind finding out. Diane Blackman |
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But a great obedience dog need not be a great problem solver. And a great problem solver might not be able to retain and execute the various obedience commands. I was thinking along the lines of a problem-solver. Dogs given problems that were not revealed to their owners/trainers before the contest to see how they do. Scott Jensen -- Peer-to-peer networking (a.k.a. file-sharing) is entertainment's future. If you'd like to know why, read the white paper at the link below. http://www.nonesuch.org/p2prevolution.pdf |
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"Jo Wolf" wrote:
Old Dogs: At some dog shows, and almost always at the single-breed shows called "specialties", there is competition for "veterans", dogs 8 years old and older.... Thanks. I'll try to keep an eye out for this next time a dog show comes through Madison, Wisconsin (or someplace reasonably close). Scott Jensen -- Peer-to-peer networking (a.k.a. file-sharing) is entertainment's future. If you'd like to know why, read the white paper at the link below. http://www.nonesuch.org/p2prevolution.pdf |
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:05:43 -0500 Scott T. Jensen whittled these words:
wrote: But a great obedience dog need not be a great problem solver. And a great problem solver might not be able to retain and execute the various obedience commands. I was thinking along the lines of a problem-solver. Dogs given problems that were not revealed to their owners/trainers before the contest to see how they do. There have been various competitions that might compete one dog against another in problem solving. A typical example would be the TV program "That's my dog" Naturally such contests are individual to the dogs involved. I've heard it is very entertaining. That show and others similiar would certainly qualify as contests of problem solving ability of individual dogs. Not scientific but pertinent to your inquiry. http://www.ukgameshows.com/atoz/prog.../thats_my_dog/ http://www.superdogs.com/ When people ask about dog intelligence tests some of us tend to cringe because some folks misunderstand the significance. When Stanely Coren came out with his list of dogs people started flocking to those at the top of the list. HIs book "The Intelligence of Dogs" was widely popular and just as widely misread. From what folks'd write here it was apparent that they assumed a "smart" dog would be easier. Yikes! and HA! Top problems solvers are the kind that learn how to open the refrigerator, undo all the locks in the house, and push the chair to the kichen counter for easy access to the upper cabinets. NOT easy to live with. Easy to live with is moderate problem solving, good memory, preference for sticking with what is known to work and high desire to comply. Diane Blackman |
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