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Border Collie with hip dysplasia
My Border Collie Doug has slight dysplaysia sorry if I have misspelt) of his
hip. We noticed that he was walking slightly stiff legged, as I had 2 dogs of 10 and 11 months I assumed it was a war wound (they play fight hard sometimes) Doug was due to go in to be neutered so I asked them to x-ray his hips while he was under the anaesthetic as he had been walking stiff legged for too long for a war wound. The vet said his hip wasn't developing as it should but it certainly wasn't the worst case they had seen and probably wouldn't cause him too much trouble until later in life. I was advised to keep exercise to a bare minimum, especially until he is at least two years old.. My questions are... How far should I take the "keeping exercise to a bare minimum?" he is a border collie after all and those who know BC's know they have an abundance of energy. Plus we are about to move soon where he will have acres of land to run about on. He loves playing with George, retrieving etc. Doug is now 16 months old. any advice would be appreciated, especially what I might expect later on or anything I can do to slow down arthritis etc. Many thanks Shell see my boys at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/hollyputt |
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"Christy" wrote in message
... My collie mix just turned 7, and was diagnosed with moderate dysplasia and beginnings of arthritis at age 3. He exercises every day, whether it be free running, leash . Your dog will definitely benefit from a regular exercise routine. I second this and in addition, keep him as thin as possible - every extra pound is extra strain on joints. My BC is moderately dysplastic and I keep her very active. (Like I could stop her from being from!). Christy -- Melissa S. Frye Skyrocket cockers www.mfrye.com/skyrocket/ |
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Deb wrote:
Subject: Border Collie with hip dysplasia From: "Christy" Date: 8/5/03 6:18 PM Pacific I'd also suggest starting him on a glucosamine supplement, with vitamin C and MSM as well. As for exercise, I would not withhold any unless you see him having problems - severe limping, for example. Excellent advice, exercise is vital. My old gal is doing very well with a liquid glucosamine product and Vit C as well as keeping her weight under control. We go to the park every day and her mobility suffers if for some reason we miss our run. Very good advice. Exercise, especially swimming, glucosamine, vitamin C, and *keep that dog thin*. Keeping the dog thin can be a tough one. My dog's hips are healthy, but my female BC gained weight after spaying. What finally worked to help get the weight off was strict portion control - no free feeding; two meals a day. I also switched for a high performance formulation to an adult maintenance formulation in the same brand so that she could still have a reasonable volume of food to munch down. Also, I started giving her veggies mixed with her kibble at night, so she could go to bed with a full tummy. Carrots and green beans are favorites. She'll eat almost anything, but a single incidence of yarked-up beets was enough to make me cross them off her list. There are plenty of dogs in flyball (a sport which involves jumping and a moderate amount of impact) with mild to moderate dysplasia, both surgically corrected and uncorrected, with *no* activity restrictions from their vets. The benefits of regular exercise far outweigh the risks, even for dogs with faulty hips. Kathleen http://webpages.charter.net/dhfm/ZControl.html |
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Mark/Shell wrote:
wouldn't cause him too much trouble until later in life. I was advised to keep exercise to a bare minimum, especially until he is at least two years old. That sound you hear is that of my jaw hitting the ground. That is incredibly bad advice, and that coming from a vet would prompt me to change the vet and pronto. General advice would be to avoid high impact exercise (such as jumping), but to do everything you can to keep very good muscle tone. I've known several dogs whose CHD was diagnosed at an earlier age (6 months) and told that they would require surgery by the time they are 2 or 3 years old who are doing just great because they are kept lean, given oodles of exercise, and kept very fit. One friend whose GSD has CHD no longer allows her dog to fetch as she was told that the stopping and starting can be difficult, but he gets plenty of free running around time chasing other dogs, goes on moderately long walks and swims. Suja |
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I want to say a big, big thank you to all of you who have answered my post.
I was told by two separate vets (same practice) to keep exercise to a bare minimum, they actually suggested 10/15 minute on lead quiet walks twice a day. To be honest for several months I have been feeling quite bad as I have not adhered to the advice. I have a 16 month Border Collie! and a 17 month collie x Lab and they were telling me to not exercise Doug?? To me it bordered on being cruel. I try not let him jump, and try to keep their very rough playfighting to a minimum but that's easier said than done. They are like kids and love to play, they both love chasing balls, retrieving. We also live on the coast so they love the beach and swimming (which I know is good for Doug) so thank you everyone for telling me I haven't been harming him by letting him run free and have more exercise than I was told. I will definitely be thinking of changing my vet!!! Can you give me some more info on the supplements most of you suggested, a website or even where I should go to buy it, I am in the UK. Shell See my boys at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/hollyputt "Suja" wrote in message ... Mark/Shell wrote: wouldn't cause him too much trouble until later in life. I was advised to keep exercise to a bare minimum, especially until he is at least two years old. That sound you hear is that of my jaw hitting the ground. That is incredibly bad advice, and that coming from a vet would prompt me to change the vet and pronto. General advice would be to avoid high impact exercise (such as jumping), but to do everything you can to keep very good muscle tone. I've known several dogs whose CHD was diagnosed at an earlier age (6 months) and told that they would require surgery by the time they are 2 or 3 years old who are doing just great because they are kept lean, given oodles of exercise, and kept very fit. One friend whose GSD has CHD no longer allows her dog to fetch as she was told that the stopping and starting can be difficult, but he gets plenty of free running around time chasing other dogs, goes on moderately long walks and swims. Suja |
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Mark/Shell wrote:
Can you give me some more info on the supplements most of you suggested, a website or even where I should go to buy it, I am in the UK. Just getting you started on researching CHD so you'll know what you're dealing with, including treatment options: http://petsurgery.com/caninehipdysplasia.htm http://tinyurl.com/j6n3 OR http://www.newmanveterinary.com/lame...t%20Disea ses http://www.southpaws.com/topics/hip-dysplasia.htm (I'm including this because a standard vet may not be well enough qualified to make proper diagnosis through reading X-rays. You might want to consider getting a second opinion from a specialist, just to play it safe). http://www.arthritis-cats-dogs.com/d...dysplasia.html (Good information on using Glucosamine in treatment of CHD) I haven't the foggiest idea where to get this stuff in the UK, but I would suggest looking in any good drug/vitamin store, where you can get arthritis care products. Generally, the ingredients in the canine formulations are the same as those in the human versions, and the human versions tend to be less expensive. If you do want doggie versions, try the pet store 'supplements' aisle or pet supply catalogs. I don't know if such a thing is available over there, but some dog foods contain Glucosamine/Chondroitin as part of the ingredients. Do not switch the dogs' food for this reason alone, since this is more marketing gimmick than anything else, and the food does NOT contain sufficient doses of either to make a substantial difference. Suja |
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Since my original post I have spoken to my friend who runs a Border Collie
rescue. I mentioned my concerns and she agreed with all of you in that building muscle would be more beneficial to Doug. She also recommended some homeopathic medicine, have any of you gone down this route? I am not familiar with homeopathic remedies. Here is the link to the website if any of you are interested. http://www.dorwest.com Thanks again everyone for your feedback. Shell "Suja" wrote in message ... Mark/Shell wrote: Can you give me some more info on the supplements most of you suggested, a website or even where I should go to buy it, I am in the UK. Just getting you started on researching CHD so you'll know what you're dealing with, including treatment options: http://petsurgery.com/caninehipdysplasia.htm http://tinyurl.com/j6n3 OR http://www.newmanveterinary.com/lame...0and%20Joint%2 0Diseases http://www.southpaws.com/topics/hip-dysplasia.htm (I'm including this because a standard vet may not be well enough qualified to make proper diagnosis through reading X-rays. You might want to consider getting a second opinion from a specialist, just to play it safe). http://www.arthritis-cats-dogs.com/d...dysplasia.html (Good information on using Glucosamine in treatment of CHD) I haven't the foggiest idea where to get this stuff in the UK, but I would suggest looking in any good drug/vitamin store, where you can get arthritis care products. Generally, the ingredients in the canine formulations are the same as those in the human versions, and the human versions tend to be less expensive. If you do want doggie versions, try the pet store 'supplements' aisle or pet supply catalogs. I don't know if such a thing is available over there, but some dog foods contain Glucosamine/Chondroitin as part of the ingredients. Do not switch the dogs' food for this reason alone, since this is more marketing gimmick than anything else, and the food does NOT contain sufficient doses of either to make a substantial difference. Suja |
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Mark/Shell wrote: building muscle would be more beneficial to Doug. She also recommended some homeopathic medicine, have any of you gone down this route? I am not familiar with homeopathic remedies. Here is the link to the website if any of you are interested. http://www.dorwest.com Thanks again everyone for your feedback. I took a brief peek. My acupuncture vet (which I referred to in a different post), doesn't explicitly suggest any of what I saw there. Her rec. is glucosamine and MSM. She seems happy with the inflavinoids that we have Molly on (gotten from the previous chiropractor vet, who referred us to the acupuncture vet). The inflavinoids are used really to relieve pain. We find that Molly has less lameness when given them regularly. You can see the ingredients he http://www.metagenics.com/products/c...il.asp?pid=162 I wouldn't use them if your dog is asymptomatic. For our BC who has some arthritis but is asymptomatic, she gets just the glucosamine, MSM and fish oil. Oh, we started the fish oil supplement, which I did see at this site, because chiropractic vet saw a study that said it improved joint health. I don't know if it helps Molly's dysplasia, but her coat is nice and shiny. Mary |
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"Christy" wrote ...
It is vital for them to have strong muscle tone, primarily in the hips, because depending on the severity of the dysplasia, the muscles may be all there is to keep the dog from becoming crippled. I learned this at the weekend from some Newfoundland owners, who told me that most if not all Newfies are dysplastic to some extent, and they knew of one dog who had practically no hip joints at all, but was perfectly active and healthy because of excellent muscle tone. having problems - severe limping, for example. If you have already done so, you will probably need to build him back up. If you have access to water, swimming is an excellent, no-impact way to build muscle. Otherwise, leash walks on grass (avoid hard surfaces that increase the impact on joints) and work up to free running, uphill fetch, that type of thing. Your dog will definitely benefit from a regular exercise routine. I agree swimming is about the best exercise you can give your dog, because it's non-load-bearing. Otherwise walking on leash (we've found with Murphy, who has arthritis in one hip, that off-leash she doesn't pace herself until she starts to limp, so obviously you can't rely on the dog to avoid aggravating the condition. Likewise she'll get the zoomies with her sister when we go to visit my mum, and both of the 11 year-old dears will be hobbling around after about 5 minutes!). Rachel (New Zealand) |
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