If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
Is this racist? snipped from another NG
This was posted in another NG . How would you answer it?
"I'm driving behind a white GMC Jimmy SUV and it has exactly one bumper sticker on it that says, "I hunt black and tans". I'm looking at this with my mouth open thinking they MUST be talking about dogs, they can't really be talking about lynching, can they? I look closer to see if there's a tiny "with" in there. Nope, but there's a silhouette which I finally figure out (at a stop light when I can study it) is a dog barking up a tree trunk. I told my husband how scandalized I was by the poor taste of this bumper sticker. He said that he didn't take it that way and he couldn't imagine that the people who put that bumper sticker up thought that way. I said that the double entendre was the whole POINT of putting up that bumper sticker. He said I was off my rocker and way too cynical. Opinions? Am I just nuts to think anyone would be that horrid? I *do* tend to be cynical (and that's a trait my husband deplores.) I'm also putting together a study unit on the Restoration of the American South through to the Civil Rights movement, so racism is on my mind. " name, see red |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
dejablues said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
"I'm driving behind a white GMC Jimmy SUV and it has exactly one bumper sticker on it that says, "I hunt black and tans". Phraseology like "I hunt black and tans" is common, in my experience, for "I use black and tans to hunt". Black and Tan being a Coonhound variety. I'm looking at this with my mouth open thinking they MUST be talking about dogs, they can't really be talking about lynching, can they? I look closer to see if there's a tiny "with" in there. Nope, but there's a silhouette which I finally figure out (at a stop light when I can study it) is a dog barking up a tree trunk. Coonhounds hunt by treeing their prey and then vocalise to bring their handler in. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
"Rocky" wrote in message
news:Xns93D26DA187360australianshepherdca@IP... dejablues said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds: "I'm driving behind a white GMC Jimmy SUV and it has exactly one bumper sticker on it that says, "I hunt black and tans". Phraseology like "I hunt black and tans" is common, in my experience, for "I use black and tans to hunt". Black and Tan being a Coonhound variety. I'm looking at this with my mouth open thinking they MUST be talking about dogs, they can't really be talking about lynching, can they? I look closer to see if there's a tiny "with" in there. Nope, but there's a silhouette which I finally figure out (at a stop light when I can study it) is a dog barking up a tree trunk. Coonhounds hunt by treeing their prey and then vocalise to bring their handler in. I gotta agree with Matt here. I think your present project has shifted your brane in that direction. I can see where you went with it, but I *never* would have thought twice about it. The phrase "hunt with" is quite often reduced to just "hunt" - my DH won't have a beagle because he just doesn't have enough time to hunt him as much as he'd like. (Now granted, if your beagle doesn't have a reliable recall, you *do* spend more time hunting him than hunting with him!) ~~Judy |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
"I'm driving behind a white GMC Jimmy SUV and it has exactly one bumper
sticker on it that says, "I hunt black and tans". I'm looking at this with my mouth open thinking they MUST be talking about dogs, Yes, they're talking about dogs. Black and Tan Coonhounds, to be precise. Black and Tans are one of the six Coonhound breeds (the others being Redbone, Treeing Walker, English, Plott, and Bluetick), which are American scenthounds, used in hunting raccoons and other varmints. "I hunt dog breed" means "I use dog breed to hunt". they can't really be talking about lynching, can they? No, they're not. Nope, but there's a silhouette which I finally figure out (at a stop light when I can study it) is a dog barking up a tree trunk. That's because that's what Coonhounds do when they hunt- they bring the prey to bay, and hold it until the human hunter gets there to shoot it. Most often, they're used to hunt racoons and possums, which go up trees- that's what the picture is of: the dog barking up a tree at prey. I told my husband how scandalized I was by the poor taste of this bumper sticker. If I were your husband, I'd have fallen down laughing at that point. Sorry, but I would! There's no "poor taste" in a hunter having a bumper sticker about his dogs. I said that the double entendre was the whole POINT of putting up that bumper sticker. There's no "double entendre" anywhere but in YOUR mind, sorry! Opinions? Am I just nuts to think anyone would be that horrid? You're not nuts to think somebody would be that horrid, but you're dead wrong about that particular bumper sticker. racism is on my mind. Yep. But not on that bumper sticker, sorry. I'm willing to bet that the same company that made the bumper sticker you saw makes ones that say "I hunt Redbones", "I hunt Walkers", "I hunt Jack Russells", "I hunt Feists", etc. Do those look "racist" to you? -- Sarah Brenin, CGC, AD, O-EAC-V, O-EJC-V, EGC Gwydion, Handy Cat Morag Thistledown, Novice Triple Superior, S-OAC, S-OJC, O-OGC, EJC Robyn Meezer, Inspector of Human Activity Rocsi Cadarn, S-NJC, NAC, NGTG, OGTG we can be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/amberdogs1 and http://photos.yahoo.com/amberdogs2 "dejablues" wrote in message ... This was posted in another NG . How would you answer it? name, see red |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
Yes, they're talking about dogs. Black and Tan Coonhounds, to be
precise. Black and Tans are one of the six Coonhound breeds (the others being Redbone, Treeing Walker, English, Plott, and Bluetick), which are American scenthounds, used in hunting raccoons and other varmints. "I hunt dog breed" means "I use dog breed to hunt". Forgot to add: For more information, see www.coonhoundcentral.com , and http://ukcdogs.com/breeds/scenthounds/index.shtml . And here's a site with links on Black and Tans, and some pictures of coonhounds baying up trees: http://members.aol.com/trailhound/blackandtan.html Note: the dogs in those pictures aren't Black and Tans. The one on the left is a Bluetick, the one on the right is a Treeing Walker. -- Sarah Brenin, CGC, AD, O-EAC-V, O-EJC-V, EGC Gwydion, Handy Cat Morag Thistledown, Novice Triple Superior, S-OAC, S-OJC, O-OGC, EJC Robyn Meezer, Inspector of Human Activity Rocsi Cadarn, S-NJC, NAC, NGTG, OGTG we can be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/amberdogs1 and http://photos.yahoo.com/amberdogs2 |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
In article ,
Sionnach wrote: There's no "double entendre" anywhere but in YOUR mind, sorry! I think she misread the bumper sticker, as well, but I don't think it's appropriate to be quite this dismissive. Unfortunately there's still a lot of loaded language around race in the US and it's not always clear what some people mean when they say certain things or display certain symbols. With racial gaps starting to widen again I think it's cool when people try to be aware of how loaded ambiguous language can be. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - If you don't understand how things are connected, the cause of problems is solutions -- Amory Lovins |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
|
#8
|
|||
|
|||
http://www.huntsmart.com/index.cfm/f...l-1417/ss/1417
Someone actually found a link to the exact same bumper sticker. I'm with you, calling it racist was a really reaaaaaaaly big stretch. :-) "Sionnach" wrote in message ... "I'm driving behind a white GMC Jimmy SUV and it has exactly one bumper sticker on it that says, "I hunt black and tans". I'm looking at this with my mouth open thinking they MUST be talking about dogs, Yes, they're talking about dogs. Black and Tan Coonhounds, to be precise. Black and Tans are one of the six Coonhound breeds (the others being Redbone, Treeing Walker, English, Plott, and Bluetick), which are American scenthounds, used in hunting raccoons and other varmints. "I hunt dog breed" means "I use dog breed to hunt". they can't really be talking about lynching, can they? No, they're not. Nope, but there's a silhouette which I finally figure out (at a stop light when I can study it) is a dog barking up a tree trunk. That's because that's what Coonhounds do when they hunt- they bring the prey to bay, and hold it until the human hunter gets there to shoot it. Most often, they're used to hunt racoons and possums, which go up trees- that's what the picture is of: the dog barking up a tree at prey. I told my husband how scandalized I was by the poor taste of this bumper sticker. If I were your husband, I'd have fallen down laughing at that point. Sorry, but I would! There's no "poor taste" in a hunter having a bumper sticker about his dogs. I said that the double entendre was the whole POINT of putting up that bumper sticker. There's no "double entendre" anywhere but in YOUR mind, sorry! Opinions? Am I just nuts to think anyone would be that horrid? You're not nuts to think somebody would be that horrid, but you're dead wrong about that particular bumper sticker. racism is on my mind. Yep. But not on that bumper sticker, sorry. I'm willing to bet that the same company that made the bumper sticker you saw makes ones that say "I hunt Redbones", "I hunt Walkers", "I hunt Jack Russells", "I hunt Feists", etc. Do those look "racist" to you? -- Sarah Brenin, CGC, AD, O-EAC-V, O-EJC-V, EGC Gwydion, Handy Cat Morag Thistledown, Novice Triple Superior, S-OAC, S-OJC, O-OGC, EJC Robyn Meezer, Inspector of Human Activity Rocsi Cadarn, S-NJC, NAC, NGTG, OGTG we can be seen at: http://photos.yahoo.com/amberdogs1 and http://photos.yahoo.com/amberdogs2 "dejablues" wrote in message ... This was posted in another NG . How would you answer it? name, see red |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
"Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article , Sionnach wrote: There's no "double entendre" anywhere but in YOUR mind, sorry! I think she misread the bumper sticker, as well, but I don't think it's appropriate to be quite this dismissive. shrug I see absolutely no "double entendre" in the statement "I hunt Black and Tans". If she had seen a sticker that said "I hunt black*s* and tans", I can *maybe* see interpreting it as a "double entendre. The fact that there was no plural on the first word, and that Black and Tan was capitalized (she doesn't say so in her post, but I've *seen* the slogan more than once, and it's always capitalized), should have given her a clue as to the fact that there is such a thing as a "Black and Tan", singular. Correctly reading "Black and Tans" as the plural of "Black and Tan" would have given her a clue that it referred to a breed of dog- and plugging "Black and Tan" into any search engine (if she can post to USENET, she has access to search engines) would have told her that the phrase refers to the following: 1. a breed of Coonhounds 2. a particular coat pattern in dogs 3. an alcoholic drink 4. a record company specializing in blues records 5. a paramilitary force which fought against the Sinn Fein. (I didn't need a search engine for those definitions, btw- I already knew all of them. G) In any case, I've never heard even the most virulently racist people I know (I've lived in Baltimore for 30 years, so believe me, I hear racist crap all the time) refer to someone of another race as "tan". "Brown", yes, "tan", no. Unfortunately there's still a lot of loaded language around race in the US and it's not always clear what some people mean when they say certain things or display certain symbols. With racial gaps starting to widen again I think it's cool when people try to be aware of how loaded ambiguous language can be. There's a difference between being aware of ambiguous language, and of the possible implications of what you say innocently, and projecting racism into an image and statement that just doesn't warrant it. In this case, the percieved "double entendre" is due more to incorrectly reading the language and to ignorance of dogs than to reality. IMO, getting all indignant about something BEFORE exercising one's common sense and finding out what was really meant is just as injurious- sometimes more so- than ignoring possible implications. |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
"dejablues" wrote in message ... http://www.huntsmart.com/index.cfm/f...l-1417/ss/1417 Someone actually found a link to the exact same bumper sticker. I'm with you, calling it racist was a really reaaaaaaaly big stretch. :-) Heh. And I was right- they have "I hunt Redbones", "I hunt Curs", etc. My favorite: "I'm a smart hunter. I RIDE A MULE." Now, in the "double entendre" and "racial sensitivity" department: were I in their shoes, I think I'd opt for the full spelling of the word "raccoon"- since there's unfortunately NO doubt about the fact that "coon" has a double meaning. :-( |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|