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Good articles (online) regarding choosing a brand of dog food.
"Thomas Silverstein" wrote in message newsan.2006.10.01.00.10.16.633682@Thomas-Silverstein... Could someone point me to some helpful information. So much of what I come across seems to have underlying ideology and secondary motivation. I would love some unbiased third party type comparison reviews. Protein is protein. Carbs are carbs. There are simple and complex carbs. They all break down into APT for energy with the byproducts of water, CO2, waste, and fat (waist). And, fat is fat. Fiber is indigestible and, therefore, not really considered a nutrient. Then there is water. Vitamins are classified as either fat or water soluble They, like minerals are usually protein helpers of some sort. If you have enough, you have enough. More is not better. The rest is dispensed of in the urine, breath, feces, sweat, or stored in the fat for later use. There's your first class in basic nutrition. Quiz: Q1: Where do we (and other mammals) get calories? A. Only from protein, carbohydrates, and fat (please don't give your dog beer, but alcohol metabolizes like a fat). Q2: How many vitamins and minerals do I (and other mammals) need? You need only enough vitamins and minerals to function, and not more. Q3: Are there any other nutients? Yes, water. However, arguably, you need some fiber to aid in defecation. Everything else is superfluous. Dog Chow or Sam's Choice works as well as the high-falouting stuff. Just pick one and don't keep changing it all the time, you and your dog will be much happier. |
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Good articles (online) regarding choosing a brand of dog food.
Protein is protein. Carbs are carbs. There are simple and complex carbs. They all break down into APT for energy with the byproducts of water, CO2, waste, and fat (waist). And, fat is fat. Fiber is indigestible and, therefore, not really considered a nutrient. Then there is water. Vitamins are classified as either fat or water soluble They, like minerals are usually protein helpers of some sort. If you have enough, you have enough. More is not better. The rest is dispensed of in the urine, breath, feces, sweat, or stored in the fat for later use. There's your first class in basic nutrition. And a bad one at that. Protein is not protein. It's well established that different protein sources provide different rates of breakdown. And fat is also not fat. There are saturated fats, unsaturated fats, trans-fats, natural fats, chemical fats. All have different properties and metabolize differently in the body. Ditto carbs. Whoever this yahoo is, don't listen to him. No, Old Roy is NOT the same as the super premium foods. Among the extremely common differences you will see are coat structure, length, thickness, and gloss, skin suppleness, pad quality, thickness (cracked versus thick and smooth), general condition, energy, endurance, amount needed to be fed (i.e., better quality food feed less and get better result), stool quantity and quality, and overall health. If all food was the same, there would be no difference between a diet of quarter pounders and a diet of equal protein gotten from lean meats, fish, and chicken. |
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Good articles (online) regarding choosing a brand of dog food.
"Robin Nuttall" wrote in message news:qDWTg.219740$1i1.192079@attbi_s72... Protein is protein. Carbs are carbs. There are simple and complex carbs. They all break down into APT for energy with the byproducts of water, CO2, waste, and fat (waist). And, fat is fat. Fiber is indigestible and, therefore, not really considered a nutrient. Then there is water. Vitamins are classified as either fat or water soluble They, like minerals are usually protein helpers of some sort. If you have enough, you have enough. More is not better. The rest is dispensed of in the urine, breath, feces, sweat, or stored in the fat for later use. There's your first class in basic nutrition. And a bad one at that. Protein is not protein. It's well established that different protein sources provide different rates of breakdown. I don't know what the rate of breakdown has to do with anything? You have not explained how this is important to you either. Most people can only assimilate about 19 g of protein an hour. It's my guess that a dog could assimilate less per hour. The rest is discharged through the urine. Hence, the higher than average rate of kidney failure in weight lifters due to a lifetime of overloading on proteins. Protein is made up of amino acids. They form the building blocks for your (and your dogs) development of protein (interpret proteins to mean proteins, enzymes, hormones, etc.) in your own body. And fat is also not fat. There are saturated fats, unsaturated fats, trans-fats, natural fats, chemical fats. All have different properties and metabolize differently in the body. True. But, they are a source of calories. That was my point. Beyond that, one should certainly limit fat calories to a fairly low amount of total caloric intake (30% or less). I'm not sure, but most dogs probably going to get hypertension from a high level of LDLs in their limited 15 or 20 year lifespan (even off of the stray gazelle in the Serengeti). Ditto carbs. Again, the purpose is for caloric intake. Diabetics need to watch their carbs. Obese Americans may follow the latest fad. But, fad does not lifestyle make. Carbs all break down (eventually) to glucose in the blood and glycogen in the muscle cells. If its complex, it has to go through a few more steps, but it all ends up where I stated in the my first post ... as *energy* (the purpose of calorie intake, afterall), waste, or fat (potential energy). Whoever this yahoo is, don't listen to him. Nice to meet you, too. I *used* to counsel people on diets ... real diets, not fad diets. However, none of this intended to do so. This is the dogs forum, after all. And, I'm giving my personal opinion and it is based on common sense and widely available information, I like dogs and value common sense. It has been some years since I studied any of this stuff, anyways. Heck, any diabetic could probably give you the rundown I'm giving you. No, Old Roy is NOT the same as the super premium foods. Among the extremely common differences you will see are coat structure, length, thickness, and gloss, skin suppleness, pad quality, thickness (cracked versus thick and smooth), general condition, energy, endurance, amount needed to be fed (i.e., better quality food feed less and get better result), stool quantity and quality, and overall health. All of what you just wrote is unsubstantiated opinion. One is going to find few, if any unbiased studies on the internet. One would be well advised to consult the Journal of Veterinary Medicine or a similar periodical for studies on animal nutrition. If all food was the same, there would be no difference between a diet of quarter pounders and a diet of equal protein gotten from lean meats, fish, and chicken. Who said all food was the same? Certainly, there are high-fat meats and low-fat meats. Some even classify medium fat meats. In people, we just tend to eat humongous portions of the fattiest meats we can find. (Filet mignon, anyone?) But, essentially, dog food companies do this type of measuring for you. And, once again, when a body has enough of something, the rest is superfluous. Yours, Dan P.S. inciditally, I just checked my dog chow. It has 10% crude fat. Compared to human consumption standards (30% or less), that's *very* healthy. |
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Good articles (online) regarding choosing a brand of dog food.
P.S. inciditally, I just checked my dog chow. It has 10% crude fat.
Compared to human consumption standards (30% or less), that's *very* healthy. Oops. 30% of calorie intake does not equal 30 % of weight. Therefo My Dog Chow states: Crude Protein 21 % (min) Fat 10 % (min) (assuming the all remaining calories come from carbs) I found this on the net at -- http://www.nutristrategy.com/nutrition/calories.htm Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 calories So, 100 g of Dog chow = Protien 9 calories x 100 grams x 0.21 = 189 calories from Pro. Fat 4 calories x 100 grams x 0.1 = 40 calories from fat Carb 1 calories x 100 grams x 0.69 = 69 calories from carbs Total = 298 total calories per 100 grams Thus, fat, in terms of caloric intake in this off-the-shelf dog food is 40/298= 13% Still, very much within healthy nuturtional ranges. Yours, Dan |
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Good articles (online) regarding choosing a brand of dog food.
Math mistake, sorry.
Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 calories So, 100 g of Dog chow = Protien 9 calories x 100 grams x 0.21 = 189 calories from Pro. Fat 4 calories x 100 grams x 0.1 = 40 calories from fat Carb 4 calories x 100 grams x 0.69 = 276 calories from carbs Total = 505 total calories per 100 grams 40/505= 7% of caloric intake is from fat. and, my point remains the same. |
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Good articles (online) regarding choosing a brand of dog food.
Robin Nuttall wrote: snip If all food was the same, there would be no difference between a diet of quarter pounders and a diet of equal protein gotten from lean meats, fish, and chicken. What do you feed your dogs Robin? |
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Good articles (online) regarding choosing a brand of dog food.
Alan Truism wrote:
Robin Nuttall wrote: snip If all food was the same, there would be no difference between a diet of quarter pounders and a diet of equal protein gotten from lean meats, fish, and chicken. What do you feed your dogs Robin? I feed Eukanuba Premium Performance. It works very, very well for my dogs. I have tried other foods that do not do as well. I've been feeding Euk Premium Performance for about 7 years now, exclusively. I think you can see that it produces pretty darn good coat and condition... http://www.totaldobe.com/images/viva/dobegirls010sm.jpg http://www.totaldobe.com/images/cala...calavivasm.jpg So, which one do you think turns 9 this month? |
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Good articles (online) regarding choosing a brand of dog food.
On Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:28:18 GMT, Robin Nuttall
wrote: I feed Eukanuba Premium Performance. It works very, very well for my dogs. I have tried other foods that do not do as well. I've been feeding Euk Premium Performance for about 7 years now, exclusively. I think you can see that it produces pretty darn good coat and condition... http://www.totaldobe.com/images/viva/dobegirls010sm.jpg http://www.totaldobe.com/images/cala...calavivasm.jpg So, which one do you think turns 9 this month? Those are some gorgeous Dobe ladies, Robin! Well done! Darla -- "I'm still here, you *******s!" ---Papillon http://www.yougotta.com/DARLA/ -- |
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Good articles (online) regarding choosing a brand of dog food.
"Dan" wrote in message
et... All of what you just wrote is unsubstantiated opinion. One is going to find few, if any unbiased studies on the internet. One would be well advised to consult the Journal of Veterinary Medicine or a similar periodical for studies on animal nutrition. I'd like to see some good studies on this too. We've got a house full of energetic dogs with nice coats and good skin and pad quality that have been raised on Old Roy, Field Trial and River Run - 50 lbs for $9.95-$12.95. Our Shar Pei was 13 when I had her put down, physically very healthy still (alas, untreatably senile), a breed supposedly prone to "food allergies" and various "food sensitivities" that should have precluded a long healthy life on such stuff. Our Saint just went for his yearly checkup, and the vet pronounced him "gorgeous" and asked what we were feeding. Heh. So there's my anecdotal evidence that inexpensive dog food is fine. I fail to see how spending two or three times as much would improve the health of our dogs. flick 100785 |
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Good articles (online) regarding choosing a brand of dog food.
"Dan" wrote in message t... My Dog Chow states: Crude Protein 21 % (min) Fat 10 % (min) (assuming the all remaining calories come from carbs) Thus, fat, in terms of caloric intake in this off-the-shelf dog food is 40/298= 13% Still, very much within healthy nuturtional ranges. .......You need to know what DOGS need, not people. Dogs are not 4 legged people. Their digestitive tracts are shorter. They don't have issues with clogged arteries and heart and cholesterol problems. Fats: "Fats should be incorporated into a dog's diet in sufficient amounts to make up between 25 and 30 percent of the calories in the food." Collins Guide to Dog Nutrition, Donald R. Collins DVM ........Dogs use fat for energy .........Unless the dog is pregnant or lactating, they have no physiological need of carbs. (from Vet Merck Manual) Proteins: "There are 3 common causes of protein deficiency in a dog's diet: 1. Insufficient total protein in the diet 2. Imbalanced, poor-quality dietary protein 3. Bulky, low-energy diets which cause the marginal amounts of protein present to be converted to energy The nutritive value of a protein depends on its distribution of amino acids, and on its digestibility. For the dog, both of these factors seem to be more satisfactory in proteins from animals than in proteins from plants." - Collins Guide to Dog Nutrition, Donald R. Collins, DVM ........and last but not least that number on the bag says nothing, zero, zip, nada about bioavailability of the nutrients to the dog. Poor quality protein does not get used. buglady take out the dog before replying |
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