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Liver Disease
Hi All, its been a long while since I have been here. Reading through
its good to recognize some familiar names again. Right now I have to ask for some direction. I have an 11 year old female cocker/terrier mix whom I adopted at age 3. She was rescued from a bad situation. About a month ago I noticed she was off her food, no real desire to eat, drinking far too much water and over the next couple days noticed she seemed to be losing weight rapidly. This occurred over a short time as I had just had her in to the vet a couple weeks before for her general checkup. Everything seemed fine with her so we decided to schedule her yearly dental. Took her in and had blood work done and the liver numbers were not good. I don't have them in front of me so I can't share them. He put her on Milk Thistle, SamE, an antibiotic and prednisone. We just received the results of a more intensive testing and she has hepatitis C. I am stunned, literally. She is going on a med which I pick up tomorrow. Its a human med and since the capsule dosage is very high, it has to be broken down and made into a liquid for her dosage. Again, I apologize since I don't know the name of it, but will tomorrow and will post it after I pick it up. She is still on the pred, the Milk Thistle and SamE. Its not infectious and this is where my request comes in. I have done a lot of searching for information and most of it is for infectious hepatitis. Can anyone give me a direction or terminology where I can find some sites to read so I can educate myself at the moment? I will be talking to the vet in the next couple days again more extensively, but I want to be able to ask the right questions and have some basic knowledge. You folks were invaluable to me when my Lil' Guy who had Cushings, Seizure Disorder, cancer and Skippy who suffered for many years with pancreatic disease. You helped me through many a difficult time, especially when they journeyed within 2 weeks of one another. So I am back asking for some basic information so I can become a little better educated and understand something of this disease Shanti has. I'm sorry for the lengthy post. Thanks for any links or information you can lead me to. |
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wrote in message oups.com... .. I have an 11 year old female cocker/terrier mix whom I adopted at age 3. She was rescued from a bad situation. About a month ago I noticed she was off her food, no real desire to eat, drinking far too much water and over the next couple days noticed she seemed to be losing weight rapidly. the liver numbers were not good. I don't have them in front of me so I can't share them. He put her on Milk Thistle, SamE, an antibiotic and prednisone. We just received the results of a more intensive testing and she has hepatitis C. .........Hepatitis C is due to a virus. Dog hepatitis is due to an adenovirus (CAV-1) and is not transmissible to humans. CAH is a term used for dogs with Chronic Active Hepatitis. So I don't think your dog has human variety Hepatitis C. If it's not any kind of infectious hepatitis, then it's idiopathic or due to copper storage disease. I am stunned, literally. She is going on a med which I pick up tomorrow. Its a human med and since the capsule dosage is very high, it has to be broken down and made into a liquid for her dosage. Again, I apologize since I don't know the name of it, but will tomorrow and will post it after I pick it up. She is still on the pred, .............I really don't know about the pred use, please ask your vet about this. http://www.iknowledgenow.com/search....id+hepatopathy But this article says pred improves survival. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...PubMed&list_ui ds=3254697&dopt=Abstract the Milk Thistle and SamE. Its not infectious and this is where my request comes in. I have done a lot of searching for information and most of it is for infectious hepatitis ...........Did they do a liver biopsy? Has your dog been tested for Leptospirosis? Chronic hepatitis in the dog - a review: http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13689541 Diagnosing Liver Disease in Dogs: http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB...00/PR00128.htm Liver Disease in Dogs and CAts http://www.2ndchance.info/hepatitis.htm http://www.thorne.com/Vol_6_No_suppl...ember_2001.wss Alternative Medicine Review, 2001, Vol 6, Supplement, S24-S37 Compromised Hepatic Detoxification in Companion Animals and its Correction via Nutritional Supplementation and Modified Fasting Hepatic Detoxification in Companion Animals Nancy Scanlan, DVM, CVA Causes of Chronic hepatitis: http://www.vet.utk.edu/continuing_ed/05decCE/denovo.pdf Diet is very important: Liver Diseases, diagnosis, treatment: http://www.dcavm.org/01june.htm Dietary therapy should be considered in all cases and general guidelines can be given. There is a major misconception about diet and liver disease that states all patients should be placed on a protein restricted diet. The goal of dietary therapy is to adjust the quantities and types of nutrients to provide needed nutrient requirements but to avoid the production of excess nitrogen by-products associated with liver disease and to provide factors that support liver function and regeneration. I believe that protein restriction should only be instituted in the patient that has clinical evidence of protein intolerance (i.e. hepatic encephalopathy). Liver disease and diet http://b-naturals.com/Apr2004.php The liver: http://b-naturals.com/Mar2003.php Also check www.dogaware.com for more links and info. Best of luck to you and your pup, please post back buglady take out the dog before replying |
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On Apr 27, 10:17 am, "buglady" wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... . I have an 11 year old female cocker/terrier mix whom I adopted at age 3. She was rescued from a bad situation. About a month ago I noticed she was off her food, no real desire to eat, drinking far too much water and over the next couple days noticed she seemed to be losing weight rapidly. the liver numbers were not good. I don't have them in front of me so I can't share them. He put her on Milk Thistle, SamE, an antibiotic and prednisone. We just received the results of a more intensive testing and she has hepatitis C. ........Hepatitis C is due to a virus. Dog hepatitis is due to an adenovirus (CAV-1) and is not transmissible to humans. CAH is a term used for dogs with Chronic Active Hepatitis. So I don't think your dog has human variety Hepatitis C. If it's not any kind of infectious hepatitis, then it's idiopathic or due to copper storage disease. I am stunned, literally. She is going on a med which I pick up tomorrow. Its a human med and since the capsule dosage is very high, it has to be broken down and made into a liquid for her dosage. Again, I apologize since I don't know the name of it, but will tomorrow and will post it after I pick it up. She is still on the pred, ............I really don't know about the pred use, please ask your vet about this.http://www.iknowledgenow.com/search....id+hepatopathy But this article says pred improves survival.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...eve&db=PubMed&... ds=3254697&dopt=Abstract the Milk Thistle and SamE. Its not infectious and this is where my request comes in. I have done a lot of searching for information and most of it is for infectious hepatitis ..........Did they do a liver biopsy? Has your dog been tested for Leptospirosis? Chronic hepatitis in the dog - a review:http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13689541 Diagnosing Liver Disease in Dogs:http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB...00/PR00128.htm Liver Disease in Dogs and CAtshttp://www.2ndchance.info/hepatitis.htm http://www.thorne.com/Vol_6_No_suppl...ember_2001.wss Alternative Medicine Review, 2001, Vol 6, Supplement, S24-S37 Compromised Hepatic Detoxification in Companion Animals and its Correction via Nutritional Supplementation and Modified Fasting Hepatic Detoxification in Companion Animals Nancy Scanlan, DVM, CVA Causes of Chronic hepatitis:http://www.vet.utk.edu/continuing_ed/05decCE/denovo.pdf Diet is very important: Liver Diseases, diagnosis, treatment:http://www.dcavm.org/01june.htm Dietary therapy should be considered in all cases and general guidelines can be given. There is a major misconception about diet and liver disease that states all patients should be placed on a protein restricted diet. The goal of dietary therapy is to adjust the quantities and types of nutrients to provide needed nutrient requirements but to avoid the production of excess nitrogen by-products associated with liver disease and to provide factors that support liver function and regeneration. I believe that protein restriction should only be instituted in the patient that has clinical evidence of protein intolerance (i.e. hepatic encephalopathy). Liver disease and diethttp://b-naturals.com/Apr2004.php The liver:http://b-naturals.com/Mar2003.php Also checkwww.dogaware.comfor more links and info. Best of luck to you and your pup, please post back buglady take out the dog before replying Buglady, Its so good to see you again!!! I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all this information. I will be reading till I'm blind, but good reading. I have so many questions for the vet. We had so little time to talk on the phone so I will be seeing him next week. By the way, the human med is called Actigall and she gets 25 mgs 2ce daily. I've never been a fan of long term useage of pred and thats something I need to talk with him about, but will read that article first. I am just dumbfounded about this as it seem to happen so darn fast.With 4 other dogs here I have to admit I am concerned even as its not infectious. Hopefully the information I educate myself with will give me a measure of comfort here with the others. I have one with hydrocephalus and can't even think he may end up some how becoming afflicted with this. I have to try to understand how one can get it and it avoids the others or I will be a crazy woman worried and fearful all the time. Thanks again so much for the info and will let you know more when I have a lengthy conversation with the vet next week. |
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wrote in message ups.com... By the way, the human med is called Actigall and she gets 25 mgs 2ce daily. .........I think that's fairly standard - the drug, don't know about dosage. Think one of those articles mentions it. I've never been a fan of long term useage of pred and thats something I need to talk with him about, but will read that article first. .......It's a fairly old article - late 80s so don't know if thinking had changed since.. .......I hope things go well. buglady take out the dog before replying |
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